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		By: skip hire runcorn		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t even know how I ended up here, but I thought this post was 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even know how I ended up here, but I thought this post was<br />
good. I don&#8217;t know who you are but definitely you are going to a<br />
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		By: southpaw		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/24/malaysian-pm-announces-flight-370-went-down-in-indian-ocean/#comment-751835</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[southpaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found this interesting.  
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-satellite-tracking/

The Doppler effect is not exactly new technology.  Radar works that way as do a hundred other things like sonograms and echocardiograms.  I might have the last thing wrong - the one where they can observe blood flow in and out of a heart chamber and detect a leaky valve - it uses the Doppler effect.  But anyway...
  Measuring the difference between the transmitted and reflected frequencies is how you know which direction and speed a thing moving -  It&#039;s hard to understand the level of back-patting this British guy is giving himself by calling it &quot;ground breaking&quot; and never been done. Hardly, and a good reason to ask suspect the results.  If this is the first time he&#039;s done it, or really believes that nonsense, I would check the numbers.
Because  I would imagine there is a lot of room for error in this calculation for equipment that wasn&#039;t designed to do this. When the wave transmitter is also moving, they would need a very, very accurate estimate of speed and directon of the satellite itself - which makes me ask what they used to determine that, and how reliable is the data.  I suppose it is possible if you have that much confidence in your equipment, but they&#039;re not saying anything about the &quot;ping&quot; or which satellite or how many or satellites.  
Plus whenever I see that idiot Bill Nye &quot;The Science Guy&quot; talking about something, I dismiss it as rubbish - this is a guy whose career involves putting vinegar in baking soda  to impress grade schoolers on Saturday morning TV, and yet MSNBC and CNN put him on for everything from nuclear energy to &quot;climate change&quot;.  If Bill Nye is vouching for it, it&#039;s time to ask more questions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this interesting.<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-satellite-tracking/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-satellite-tracking/</a></p>
<p>The Doppler effect is not exactly new technology.  Radar works that way as do a hundred other things like sonograms and echocardiograms.  I might have the last thing wrong &#8211; the one where they can observe blood flow in and out of a heart chamber and detect a leaky valve &#8211; it uses the Doppler effect.  But anyway&#8230;<br />
  Measuring the difference between the transmitted and reflected frequencies is how you know which direction and speed a thing moving &#8211;  It&#8217;s hard to understand the level of back-patting this British guy is giving himself by calling it &#8220;ground breaking&#8221; and never been done. Hardly, and a good reason to ask suspect the results.  If this is the first time he&#8217;s done it, or really believes that nonsense, I would check the numbers.<br />
Because  I would imagine there is a lot of room for error in this calculation for equipment that wasn&#8217;t designed to do this. When the wave transmitter is also moving, they would need a very, very accurate estimate of speed and directon of the satellite itself &#8211; which makes me ask what they used to determine that, and how reliable is the data.  I suppose it is possible if you have that much confidence in your equipment, but they&#8217;re not saying anything about the &#8220;ping&#8221; or which satellite or how many or satellites.<br />
Plus whenever I see that idiot Bill Nye &#8220;The Science Guy&#8221; talking about something, I dismiss it as rubbish &#8211; this is a guy whose career involves putting vinegar in baking soda  to impress grade schoolers on Saturday morning TV, and yet MSNBC and CNN put him on for everything from nuclear energy to &#8220;climate change&#8221;.  If Bill Nye is vouching for it, it&#8217;s time to ask more questions.</p>
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		By: Dan D		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/24/malaysian-pm-announces-flight-370-went-down-in-indian-ocean/#comment-751806</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anything could have happened.  In order of likeliness, mechanical issue or fire, pilot inexplicable action, pilot hijacking, failed diversion resulting in a crash, or highjack in progress, with a safely landed plane.  The last is least likely, because of the attention and the number of people missing and not heard from.

Great technologies and great countries are all subject to human frailties, Murphy&#039;s Law, misunderstandings, and incompetence.  Conspiracies do exist, and sometimes take on very unexpected forms, but over time there are too many events outside the control of conspirators.  Very few prevail without detection, eventually.  That doesn&#039;t mean we will ultimately know the facts around every conspiracy, but the odds of fate are not stacked in the favor of conspirators.

Because of the time that has elapsed, I would be very, very surprised if the passengers of that sad flight are still alive anywhere on Earth.  It must be a horror for those who expected to see their loved ones at the conclusion of its scheduled flight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything could have happened.  In order of likeliness, mechanical issue or fire, pilot inexplicable action, pilot hijacking, failed diversion resulting in a crash, or highjack in progress, with a safely landed plane.  The last is least likely, because of the attention and the number of people missing and not heard from.</p>
<p>Great technologies and great countries are all subject to human frailties, Murphy&#8217;s Law, misunderstandings, and incompetence.  Conspiracies do exist, and sometimes take on very unexpected forms, but over time there are too many events outside the control of conspirators.  Very few prevail without detection, eventually.  That doesn&#8217;t mean we will ultimately know the facts around every conspiracy, but the odds of fate are not stacked in the favor of conspirators.</p>
<p>Because of the time that has elapsed, I would be very, very surprised if the passengers of that sad flight are still alive anywhere on Earth.  It must be a horror for those who expected to see their loved ones at the conclusion of its scheduled flight.</p>
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		By: Hangtown Bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hangtown Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Presumably, the debris which has led the Malay gov&#039;t to this &quot;settled&quot; conclusion consists of a green circular object (diameter unspecified) and a 14-foot orange rectangular object.  I seems that it would be a simple matter to query Boeing engineers to determine if any portions of the plane would fit these descriptions.  I have seen no indication that these questions have been raised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably, the debris which has led the Malay gov&#8217;t to this &#8220;settled&#8221; conclusion consists of a green circular object (diameter unspecified) and a 14-foot orange rectangular object.  I seems that it would be a simple matter to query Boeing engineers to determine if any portions of the plane would fit these descriptions.  I have seen no indication that these questions have been raised.</p>
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		By: Hangtown Bob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hangtown Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quite interesting that Drudge now has a headline that indicates that the plane is in water 23,000 feet deep.  Gee, an oceanic trench........ What  a turn of bad luck.........  The black boxes will never be able to be found now............]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite interesting that Drudge now has a headline that indicates that the plane is in water 23,000 feet deep.  Gee, an oceanic trench&#8230;&#8230;.. What  a turn of bad luck&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  The black boxes will never be able to be found now&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 12:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All the countries involved including our own have a habit of lying to save face. Case in point: the Fetterman fight in 1866. Pretty much the same lies as the Custer Fight ten years later. Stupendously arrogant officer brought about his command&#039;s obliteration by disobeying orders which was completely untrue. Fetterman was neither arrogant nor did he disobey orders. Like Custer a decade later, his superiors lied to shift blame from themselves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the countries involved including our own have a habit of lying to save face. Case in point: the Fetterman fight in 1866. Pretty much the same lies as the Custer Fight ten years later. Stupendously arrogant officer brought about his command&#8217;s obliteration by disobeying orders which was completely untrue. Fetterman was neither arrogant nor did he disobey orders. Like Custer a decade later, his superiors lied to shift blame from themselves.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 05:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;China doesn’t believe the malays either.&quot;

I&#039;m certainly no fan of the Chinese government but they may be the best friend of the truth in this case.  It&#039;s not too hard to read between the lines that they are *very* angry with the way the Malaysian government has handled this.  

In any case I think it&#039;s already too far gone and we are in JFK assassination territory thanks to the Malaysians.  No matter what evidence comes up one way or another the conspiracy theories will go on for a long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;China doesn’t believe the malays either.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly no fan of the Chinese government but they may be the best friend of the truth in this case.  It&#8217;s not too hard to read between the lines that they are *very* angry with the way the Malaysian government has handled this.  </p>
<p>In any case I think it&#8217;s already too far gone and we are in JFK assassination territory thanks to the Malaysians.  No matter what evidence comes up one way or another the conspiracy theories will go on for a long time.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Carlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 04:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[China doesn&#039;t believe the malays either. China demands tonight to see the raw data. As I&#039;ve said before, I don&#039;t know zip about avionics and their computers so don&#039;t go there. Geography, politics, history, and Sturm und Drang are what I know and watch. The technical artful dodging (for hours) tells a tale of intent. The plane is on land in asia, and the powers involved know much more than they&#039;re telling. Why? This may be a good time for our jugeared chicken hawk the drone flyer to do a deal with the Chicomms. Use some Androgel!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China doesn&#8217;t believe the malays either. China demands tonight to see the raw data. As I&#8217;ve said before, I don&#8217;t know zip about avionics and their computers so don&#8217;t go there. Geography, politics, history, and Sturm und Drang are what I know and watch. The technical artful dodging (for hours) tells a tale of intent. The plane is on land in asia, and the powers involved know much more than they&#8217;re telling. Why? This may be a good time for our jugeared chicken hawk the drone flyer to do a deal with the Chicomms. Use some Androgel!</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2014 00:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People keep wondering why the  Malaysian government is so inept at  handling the PR. With what I know about  Muslim beliefs and societies what they have done is what I would expect. Muslims are great believers in the &quot;will of Allah.&quot; When something goes awry, they don&#039;t question it or try to make it right - it&#039;s the will of Allah. Without prodding from the outside, this would have been their explanation. &quot;The airplane has disappeared. Whether it was a criminal act or a mechanical malfunction, it was the will of Allah. We are very sorry for the families, but Allah has spoken and we must get back to normal.&quot;  Many of these non-Western societies have adopted some Western procedures, but they are just window dressing. They haven&#039;t really internalized that man can affect many of the outcomes of the use of dangerous vehicles like airplanes and autos.

Instructor pilots at my old airline taught Muslim pilots on contracts from Muslim national airlines. The most difficult thing to get across to them was that when an engine or system failed, it was their job to take actions to save the airplane. In their minds, when  something went wrong, it was the will of Allah.  Fortunately for many of these Muslim national airlines like Malaysia Air, the aircraft are very, very reliable  and  things seldom go wrong. In 25 years of airline flying while  logging over 19,000 hours I had three emergencies - 1 engine failure, 1 hydraulic problem, and 1 brake problem. That&#039;s reliability. And those were older less well engineered airplanes than what we have today.

I&#039;m still reserving judgment. McInerny&#039;s conjecture is one I won&#039;t discard until after May 1st. If the airplane is in Pakistan, it would be a simple thing to load it  with explosives, fly it low level (maybe a 45 minute trip), and crash it into Bagram Air Force Base in Kabul. That would create mass casualties for the USA and the  Afghanis that support us there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People keep wondering why the  Malaysian government is so inept at  handling the PR. With what I know about  Muslim beliefs and societies what they have done is what I would expect. Muslims are great believers in the &#8220;will of Allah.&#8221; When something goes awry, they don&#8217;t question it or try to make it right &#8211; it&#8217;s the will of Allah. Without prodding from the outside, this would have been their explanation. &#8220;The airplane has disappeared. Whether it was a criminal act or a mechanical malfunction, it was the will of Allah. We are very sorry for the families, but Allah has spoken and we must get back to normal.&#8221;  Many of these non-Western societies have adopted some Western procedures, but they are just window dressing. They haven&#8217;t really internalized that man can affect many of the outcomes of the use of dangerous vehicles like airplanes and autos.</p>
<p>Instructor pilots at my old airline taught Muslim pilots on contracts from Muslim national airlines. The most difficult thing to get across to them was that when an engine or system failed, it was their job to take actions to save the airplane. In their minds, when  something went wrong, it was the will of Allah.  Fortunately for many of these Muslim national airlines like Malaysia Air, the aircraft are very, very reliable  and  things seldom go wrong. In 25 years of airline flying while  logging over 19,000 hours I had three emergencies &#8211; 1 engine failure, 1 hydraulic problem, and 1 brake problem. That&#8217;s reliability. And those were older less well engineered airplanes than what we have today.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still reserving judgment. McInerny&#8217;s conjecture is one I won&#8217;t discard until after May 1st. If the airplane is in Pakistan, it would be a simple thing to load it  with explosives, fly it low level (maybe a 45 minute trip), and crash it into Bagram Air Force Base in Kabul. That would create mass casualties for the USA and the  Afghanis that support us there.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[cornflour:

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<p>Thanks.  I fixed it.</p>
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