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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/13/the-wandering-airplane/#comment-748346</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A Boeing 777-200ER could have easily made it to the east coast of Africa even with the jog toward Vietnam. 

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.page

The aircraft&#039;s range would depend on a number of factors besides wind, such as flight profile and whether or not it had a full bag of gas. Of course if the plane landed, as some investigators suggest it may have according to the reports, then all bets are off when it comes to determining range. Because I can&#039;t think of a reason why anyone would land the thing after shutting off the transponder and without declaring an emergency but to refuel. Or why they&#039;d take off again if the equipment was malfunctioning so badly that they couldn&#039;t use the radio and the transponder hadn&#039;t been deliberately shut off.

This is either the Bojinka plot on steroids, some sort of misinformation campaign, or just the mass confusion it appears to be.

Also, given the fact this administration has compromised classified information following the Bin Laden raid and promised Putin to be &quot;more flexible&quot; when it came to compromising our anti-ballistic missile data following reelection, I wouldn&#039;t put it past them that they&#039;re deliberately informing the world how we can actually track commercial aircraft. President Obama has used the levers of power for his own personal ends, but he&#039;s also used his office to degrade those same capabilities to make sure future Presidents don&#039;t have the same tools he did.

Never let a crisis go to waste.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Boeing 777-200ER could have easily made it to the east coast of Africa even with the jog toward Vietnam. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.page" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.page</a></p>
<p>The aircraft&#8217;s range would depend on a number of factors besides wind, such as flight profile and whether or not it had a full bag of gas. Of course if the plane landed, as some investigators suggest it may have according to the reports, then all bets are off when it comes to determining range. Because I can&#8217;t think of a reason why anyone would land the thing after shutting off the transponder and without declaring an emergency but to refuel. Or why they&#8217;d take off again if the equipment was malfunctioning so badly that they couldn&#8217;t use the radio and the transponder hadn&#8217;t been deliberately shut off.</p>
<p>This is either the Bojinka plot on steroids, some sort of misinformation campaign, or just the mass confusion it appears to be.</p>
<p>Also, given the fact this administration has compromised classified information following the Bin Laden raid and promised Putin to be &#8220;more flexible&#8221; when it came to compromising our anti-ballistic missile data following reelection, I wouldn&#8217;t put it past them that they&#8217;re deliberately informing the world how we can actually track commercial aircraft. President Obama has used the levers of power for his own personal ends, but he&#8217;s also used his office to degrade those same capabilities to make sure future Presidents don&#8217;t have the same tools he did.</p>
<p>Never let a crisis go to waste.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/13/the-wandering-airplane/#comment-748277</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The latest from the WSJ.  Curiouser and curiouser is actually an understatement.  

http://tinyurl.com/k6lgnnf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest from the WSJ.  Curiouser and curiouser is actually an understatement.  </p>
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		By: Mn Jack		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/13/the-wandering-airplane/#comment-748273</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mn Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apparently it&#039;s not on youtube...

www.hulu.com/watch/440751#i0,p52,d0]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently it&#8217;s not on youtube&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/440751#i0,p52,d0" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.hulu.com/watch/440751#i0,p52,d0</a></p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer says what I said  two days ago.  With the sophisticated electronics (ground, space, and plane based) employed in all aspects of aviation today, the only thing that makes sense is that someone is sitting on the data.  Whether that is to keep surveillance capabilities secret, or to not let the bad guys know we are on to them, is an open question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer says what I said  two days ago.  With the sophisticated electronics (ground, space, and plane based) employed in all aspects of aviation today, the only thing that makes sense is that someone is sitting on the data.  Whether that is to keep surveillance capabilities secret, or to not let the bad guys know we are on to them, is an open question.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/13/the-wandering-airplane/#comment-748244</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Suppose it was hijacked for later use and then crashed for some reason--lack of fuel possibly.
Calculating range has to figure wind and if you are going to the edge of the range anyway and you are flying into a, say, 50mph headwind, you&#039;ll come up short.
There was a report that the director of FBI said, late on 9-11, &quot;I hope it wasn&#039;t those guys in the Midwestern flight schools.&quot;
If there&#039;s a possibility that somebody important knew something which should have been acted on, we&#039;ll play hell finding it out and the cover story will be as nutty as necessary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose it was hijacked for later use and then crashed for some reason&#8211;lack of fuel possibly.<br />
Calculating range has to figure wind and if you are going to the edge of the range anyway and you are flying into a, say, 50mph headwind, you&#8217;ll come up short.<br />
There was a report that the director of FBI said, late on 9-11, &#8220;I hope it wasn&#8217;t those guys in the Midwestern flight schools.&#8221;<br />
If there&#8217;s a possibility that somebody important knew something which should have been acted on, we&#8217;ll play hell finding it out and the cover story will be as nutty as necessary.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/13/the-wandering-airplane/#comment-748230</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FOAF, the answer to the big question normally would be US investigators don&#039;t want these hijackers/terrorists to know how we&#039;re detecting their movements.

But then that answer would normally be at odds with these leaks to the press. If you want to keep your sources and methods secret, don&#039;t say anything.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350?mod=trending_now_2

&quot;U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Flew On for Hours
Investigators Believe Plane Flew On for Total of Up to Five Hours&quot;

http://www.businessinsider.com/update-on-missing-malaysia-flight-2014-3

&quot;Investigators Think Missing Plane Might Have Been Stolen To Use Later&quot;

That second article is especially mind blowing, if true. That investigators are actively pursuing the possibility the plane was hijacked to be used later for some purpose. Mrs. Whatsit&#039;s instincts may prove essentially correct, although I still don&#039;t see this plane going to China. The Uighurs have launched another deadly knife attack in China, this time only killing 3 as opposed to 28. And apparently the authorities are focusing on two Uighurs who were on the plane. But if the only acts of terrorism Uiighur separatists can pull off in that police state with the only weapons they can obtain are random knife attacks, I don&#039;t see them disappearing for later use a 777 into the PRC.

Since we are already into territory where the only theories that make sense, based on the reporting, are wildly crazy then I have one more piece of speculation to offer. If this plane was hijacked with the intent of using it later, then given the logistics involved this has to be a state-sponsored act of terrorism. I don&#039;t believe for an instant that any terrorist group could pull it off all on its own.

Perhaps the US investigators are putting out misinformation to create a plausible but false public narrative. They may suspect that Malaysian officials are involved somehow with the hijackers and are leaking inside investigative information. And they&#039;re trying to discredit that information with these competing leaks. I dunno; this is an incredibly weird story and I&#039;m only really good at sanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOAF, the answer to the big question normally would be US investigators don&#8217;t want these hijackers/terrorists to know how we&#8217;re detecting their movements.</p>
<p>But then that answer would normally be at odds with these leaks to the press. If you want to keep your sources and methods secret, don&#8217;t say anything.</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350?mod=trending_now_2" rel="nofollow ugc">http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304185104579437573396580350?mod=trending_now_2</a></p>
<p>&#8220;U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Flew On for Hours<br />
Investigators Believe Plane Flew On for Total of Up to Five Hours&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/update-on-missing-malaysia-flight-2014-3" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessinsider.com/update-on-missing-malaysia-flight-2014-3</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Investigators Think Missing Plane Might Have Been Stolen To Use Later&#8221;</p>
<p>That second article is especially mind blowing, if true. That investigators are actively pursuing the possibility the plane was hijacked to be used later for some purpose. Mrs. Whatsit&#8217;s instincts may prove essentially correct, although I still don&#8217;t see this plane going to China. The Uighurs have launched another deadly knife attack in China, this time only killing 3 as opposed to 28. And apparently the authorities are focusing on two Uighurs who were on the plane. But if the only acts of terrorism Uiighur separatists can pull off in that police state with the only weapons they can obtain are random knife attacks, I don&#8217;t see them disappearing for later use a 777 into the PRC.</p>
<p>Since we are already into territory where the only theories that make sense, based on the reporting, are wildly crazy then I have one more piece of speculation to offer. If this plane was hijacked with the intent of using it later, then given the logistics involved this has to be a state-sponsored act of terrorism. I don&#8217;t believe for an instant that any terrorist group could pull it off all on its own.</p>
<p>Perhaps the US investigators are putting out misinformation to create a plausible but false public narrative. They may suspect that Malaysian officials are involved somehow with the hijackers and are leaking inside investigative information. And they&#8217;re trying to discredit that information with these competing leaks. I dunno; this is an incredibly weird story and I&#8217;m only really good at sanity.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYHeZCEFwhI]]></description>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mrs. Whatsit:

&quot;this is beginning to be a situation where full-crazy solutions are the only ones left&quot;

Yep.  It&#039;s hard to come up with a scenario, terrorist or non-terrorist, that doesn&#039;t require some suspension of disbelief.  This may tend to support Oldflyer: &quot;... we have been kept in the dark for a week about aspects of this mystery. The big question is—why?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Whatsit:</p>
<p>&#8220;this is beginning to be a situation where full-crazy solutions are the only ones left&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep.  It&#8217;s hard to come up with a scenario, terrorist or non-terrorist, that doesn&#8217;t require some suspension of disbelief.  This may tend to support Oldflyer: &#8220;&#8230; we have been kept in the dark for a week about aspects of this mystery. The big question is—why?&#8221;</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 04:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aliens kidnapped &#039;em.]]></description>
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		By: vanderleun		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/13/the-wandering-airplane/#comment-748145</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2014 02:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Curiouser and curiouser.....  This one is going straight down the rabbit hole. Hold back the edges of your gowns, Ladies, we are going through hell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curiouser and curiouser&#8230;..  This one is going straight down the rabbit hole. Hold back the edges of your gowns, Ladies, we are going through hell.</p>
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