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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/03/competing-foreign-policy-visions-right-vs-left/#comment-745218</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been wondering to what extent Putin can exist in his own fantasy world. In truth, &lt;b&gt;there are no dictators&lt;/b&gt;...they are always supported by a power base.
If Putin costs his base too much, they will remove him if they can. Otherwise, they will withdraw support in more covert ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been wondering to what extent Putin can exist in his own fantasy world. In truth, <b>there are no dictators</b>&#8230;they are always supported by a power base.<br />
If Putin costs his base too much, they will remove him if they can. Otherwise, they will withdraw support in more covert ways.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 18:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Putin could do everything he wants, this would be a probable scenario. But the truth is that he cannot. So this morning he gave full reverse gear and said that there is no anymore tensions in Crimea, so no military operation is needed. My guess is that the loss of $55 bln in one day in collapse of stock exchange was a watershed for his economy ministers and many oligarchs too. Abramovich was rumored to loose a half of his fortune. Probably, in 3 monthes there will be no such leader named Putin, and only a humble pensioner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Putin could do everything he wants, this would be a probable scenario. But the truth is that he cannot. So this morning he gave full reverse gear and said that there is no anymore tensions in Crimea, so no military operation is needed. My guess is that the loss of $55 bln in one day in collapse of stock exchange was a watershed for his economy ministers and many oligarchs too. Abramovich was rumored to loose a half of his fortune. Probably, in 3 monthes there will be no such leader named Putin, and only a humble pensioner.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/03/competing-foreign-policy-visions-right-vs-left/#comment-745117</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 17:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Y...

Putin built a military railroad specifically to support the campaign.

It was completed -- with a rail head up into the northern face of the mountainside -- just weeks before the &#039;problem&#039; erupted.

Just a coincidence. ... Move along, move along.

The very first Georgian clashes were instigated by Spetsnatz fellows and SVR/ KGB players. These gentlemen had been inserted long before the &#039;troubles&#039; began.

In every way, Putin has mastered Adolf&#039;s opening chess moves.

We&#039;re seeing the exact same gambits in action in the Donbas at this time.

There is NO WAY that Putin will not move in to protect the Sudeten Russians -- nee Westish Russians -- in the Near Rodina.

Because of modern realities, the Crimea is going to have to be rejoined to Ukraine. 

Its water, power, telecoms, and everything else come from the north. 

Putin will resolve the matter by absorbing the rest of Ukraine - - probably in stages -- with suitable referendums/ plebiscites.

Even Adolf had his &quot;Ja!&quot; campaign to buttress his Enabling Act.

&#038;&#038;&#038;

Sudeten Russians in the Crimea are now in the Rodina -- replicating the dynamics of the Anschluss.

The Donbas will replicate the dynamics of the Sudetenland.

Instead of &#039;Southernland&#039; we&#039;ll be treated to &#039;Westernland.&#039;

Fascist is as fascist does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8230;</p>
<p>Putin built a military railroad specifically to support the campaign.</p>
<p>It was completed &#8212; with a rail head up into the northern face of the mountainside &#8212; just weeks before the &#8216;problem&#8217; erupted.</p>
<p>Just a coincidence. &#8230; Move along, move along.</p>
<p>The very first Georgian clashes were instigated by Spetsnatz fellows and SVR/ KGB players. These gentlemen had been inserted long before the &#8216;troubles&#8217; began.</p>
<p>In every way, Putin has mastered Adolf&#8217;s opening chess moves.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re seeing the exact same gambits in action in the Donbas at this time.</p>
<p>There is NO WAY that Putin will not move in to protect the Sudeten Russians &#8212; nee Westish Russians &#8212; in the Near Rodina.</p>
<p>Because of modern realities, the Crimea is going to have to be rejoined to Ukraine. </p>
<p>Its water, power, telecoms, and everything else come from the north. </p>
<p>Putin will resolve the matter by absorbing the rest of Ukraine &#8211; &#8211; probably in stages &#8212; with suitable referendums/ plebiscites.</p>
<p>Even Adolf had his &#8220;Ja!&#8221; campaign to buttress his Enabling Act.</p>
<p>&amp;&amp;&amp;</p>
<p>Sudeten Russians in the Crimea are now in the Rodina &#8212; replicating the dynamics of the Anschluss.</p>
<p>The Donbas will replicate the dynamics of the Sudetenland.</p>
<p>Instead of &#8216;Southernland&#8217; we&#8217;ll be treated to &#8216;Westernland.&#8217;</p>
<p>Fascist is as fascist does.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/03/competing-foreign-policy-visions-right-vs-left/#comment-745105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 15:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;This was before Yanukovich asked Putin to use Russian military to “restore constitutional order in Ukraine”. That means that Putin wants not only Crimea, but the whole Ukraine, with Kremlin puppet Yanukovich as its President.&lt;/b&gt;

And did the territories around Georgia ask Putin for aid, is that why tanks rolled within 24 hours or was the diplomatic agreement made before those 24 hours?

How long did it take Putin to mobilize the tanks this time? Or were the tanks already there.

Most of the human rights watches are either propaganda arms or controlled by one side or the other. Similar to the Pali conflict.

Now the propaganda momentum isn&#039;t on the side of Putin. Is that because Putin wasn&#039;t the one controlling the chaos in Ukraine?

How long were Russian troops near the border of Georgia and were they flowed there artificially for military exercises or only as a result of extremely slow diplomatic request for help?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>This was before Yanukovich asked Putin to use Russian military to “restore constitutional order in Ukraine”. That means that Putin wants not only Crimea, but the whole Ukraine, with Kremlin puppet Yanukovich as its President.</b></p>
<p>And did the territories around Georgia ask Putin for aid, is that why tanks rolled within 24 hours or was the diplomatic agreement made before those 24 hours?</p>
<p>How long did it take Putin to mobilize the tanks this time? Or were the tanks already there.</p>
<p>Most of the human rights watches are either propaganda arms or controlled by one side or the other. Similar to the Pali conflict.</p>
<p>Now the propaganda momentum isn&#8217;t on the side of Putin. Is that because Putin wasn&#8217;t the one controlling the chaos in Ukraine?</p>
<p>How long were Russian troops near the border of Georgia and were they flowed there artificially for military exercises or only as a result of extremely slow diplomatic request for help?</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 12:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is also a good politological analisis of this situation in broader ethno-historical context:
http://circassianworld.blogspot.ru/2008_10_01_archive.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a good politological analisis of this situation in broader ethno-historical context:<br />
<a href="http://circassianworld.blogspot.ru/2008_10_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://circassianworld.blogspot.ru/2008_10_01_archive.html</a></p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/03/competing-foreign-policy-visions-right-vs-left/#comment-745059</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 11:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric, there is a good sourced description:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian%E2%80%93Ossetian_conflict
The part about the 2008 war:
&quot;On 8 August, the starting day of Beijing Olympics, Georgia launched a military offensive to &quot;restore constitutional order in the whole region.&quot;[54] Georgia started a full-scale attack on the breakaway republic overnight, using tanks, aircraft, heavy artillery and infantry.[55]&quot; Media sources reported that Georgian MRLS started shelling separatist capital, Tskhinvali. South Ossetian authorities and others accused Georgia of committing &quot;planned massacre of Ossetian civilian population: children, elderly and young women&quot;.[56][57] The Tshinvali&#039;s central hospital, university[58] and some of its schools were also hit.[citation needed]

Georgian military forces attacked suddenly[59] with the strong support of heavy artillery (BM-21 122 mm (5 in) and 152 mm),[60] tanks,[61] and aircraft.[citation needed]

According to the Human Rights Watch (HRW) Annual Report, during the military conflict, the Georgian military used indiscriminate force against the civilian population of South Ossetia, with tank and machine gun fire directed at buildings in Tskhinvali, including an apartment building where civilians were sheltered. The Georgian military used Grad multiple-rocket launchers, an indiscriminate weapon, to destroy targets situated in civilian areas, HRW claims.[62]&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, there is a good sourced description:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian%E2%80%93Ossetian_conflict" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian%E2%80%93Ossetian_conflict</a><br />
The part about the 2008 war:<br />
&#8220;On 8 August, the starting day of Beijing Olympics, Georgia launched a military offensive to &#8220;restore constitutional order in the whole region.&#8221;[54] Georgia started a full-scale attack on the breakaway republic overnight, using tanks, aircraft, heavy artillery and infantry.[55]&#8221; Media sources reported that Georgian MRLS started shelling separatist capital, Tskhinvali. South Ossetian authorities and others accused Georgia of committing &#8220;planned massacre of Ossetian civilian population: children, elderly and young women&#8221;.[56][57] The Tshinvali&#8217;s central hospital, university[58] and some of its schools were also hit.[citation needed]</p>
<p>Georgian military forces attacked suddenly[59] with the strong support of heavy artillery (BM-21 122 mm (5 in) and 152 mm),[60] tanks,[61] and aircraft.[citation needed]</p>
<p>According to the Human Rights Watch (HRW) Annual Report, during the military conflict, the Georgian military used indiscriminate force against the civilian population of South Ossetia, with tank and machine gun fire directed at buildings in Tskhinvali, including an apartment building where civilians were sheltered. The Georgian military used Grad multiple-rocket launchers, an indiscriminate weapon, to destroy targets situated in civilian areas, HRW claims.[62]&#8221;</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 09:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann: &quot;But Bush did nothing about Putin’s move against Georgia in 2008, and the MSM are already busy pushing that meme.&quot;

expat: &quot;It’ true that Bush didn’t succeed in Georgia, but there are some big differences.&quot;

If I recall correctly, the Georgia situation was murkier than the Ukraine situation insofar the Russian military action sprang from a fairly long engagement, and the alarm was more over the seemingly disproportionate heavy-handed actions by Russia than the origin of the conflict. 

Also, again, if I recall correctly, the US and EU weren&#039;t prior involved in the Georgia situation like we are with the Ukraine situation.

The Ukraine situation is more clear cut as an act of Russian aggression compared to the Georgia situation, which is murky enough where Russian action was possibly justifiable in origin, if not in its extent, of action. Therefore, it made more sense to contain mediate, which if I recall correctly, did happen in Europe (France lead?).

This is not to say the two actions by Russia aren&#039;t related, but that the Georgia situation on Bush&#039;s desk in 2008 is not the same as the Ukraine situation on Obama&#039;s desk in 2014.

Anyone who knows the details of the Georgia-Russia conflict, feel free to correct me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann: &#8220;But Bush did nothing about Putin’s move against Georgia in 2008, and the MSM are already busy pushing that meme.&#8221;</p>
<p>expat: &#8220;It’ true that Bush didn’t succeed in Georgia, but there are some big differences.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, the Georgia situation was murkier than the Ukraine situation insofar the Russian military action sprang from a fairly long engagement, and the alarm was more over the seemingly disproportionate heavy-handed actions by Russia than the origin of the conflict. </p>
<p>Also, again, if I recall correctly, the US and EU weren&#8217;t prior involved in the Georgia situation like we are with the Ukraine situation.</p>
<p>The Ukraine situation is more clear cut as an act of Russian aggression compared to the Georgia situation, which is murky enough where Russian action was possibly justifiable in origin, if not in its extent, of action. Therefore, it made more sense to contain mediate, which if I recall correctly, did happen in Europe (France lead?).</p>
<p>This is not to say the two actions by Russia aren&#8217;t related, but that the Georgia situation on Bush&#8217;s desk in 2008 is not the same as the Ukraine situation on Obama&#8217;s desk in 2014.</p>
<p>Anyone who knows the details of the Georgia-Russia conflict, feel free to correct me.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 07:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Do you believe in fairies? … If you believe,&quot; he [Peter] shouted to them, &quot;clap your hands; don&#039;t let Tinkerbell die!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you believe in fairies? … If you believe,&#8221; he [Peter] shouted to them, &#8220;clap your hands; don&#8217;t let Tinkerbell die!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/03/03/competing-foreign-policy-visions-right-vs-left/#comment-745011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 06:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In one day 3 March Russian companies lost 55 billions dollars. That is 2 trillions rubles, 500 billions rubles more than the cost of Olympiad. This was before Yanukovich asked Putin to use Russian military to &quot;restore constitutional order in Ukraine&quot;. That means that Putin wants not only Crimea, but the whole Ukraine, with Kremlin puppet Yanukovich as its President. Putin decided to go full Hitler.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one day 3 March Russian companies lost 55 billions dollars. That is 2 trillions rubles, 500 billions rubles more than the cost of Olympiad. This was before Yanukovich asked Putin to use Russian military to &#8220;restore constitutional order in Ukraine&#8221;. That means that Putin wants not only Crimea, but the whole Ukraine, with Kremlin puppet Yanukovich as its President. Putin decided to go full Hitler.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 06:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Note also: due probably to political differences as much as lack of money, the Ukrainian government reduced gas purchases from Russia recently by 80%.
That means their exposure is much less than other players.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note also: due probably to political differences as much as lack of money, the Ukrainian government reduced gas purchases from Russia recently by 80%.<br />
That means their exposure is much less than other players.</p>
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