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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sean loves to oversimply the facts to try to support his incorrect interpretation.  He  assumes everyone that quits their job gets subsidized by Obamacara (supported on the backs of others).  

The fact is that Obamacare does not offer healthcare subsidies to families with incomes below poverty level (this is likely the case for those he reports as not working at all).  Those families with income below poverty level, must pay 100% of any health insurance premium that they obtained through Obamacare, or they must apply for Medicaid.  And remember, Medicaid is administered through the States.  So Sean can blame the support of poverty level families, on the State government where they reside, not Obama.  

Also Sean doesn&#039;t has an inibility to see a past today.  He  only sees a parent staying home to raise their children correctly, as a drain on the federal budget.  He doesn&#039;t realize that his own idea of a good parent, may emphasize the monetary safety of the children now, but is less able to develop better morality in the child.  Unfortunately, these children will have more probability of draining the federal budget in their later years (ie.  addiction treatments, incarceration, etc.)

As an example Sean would quickly agree with, think about the Kennedy Family.  Very work and income oriented, as Sean would like to promote, but I think he would agree many of their children turned out morally dismal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean loves to oversimply the facts to try to support his incorrect interpretation.  He  assumes everyone that quits their job gets subsidized by Obamacara (supported on the backs of others).  </p>
<p>The fact is that Obamacare does not offer healthcare subsidies to families with incomes below poverty level (this is likely the case for those he reports as not working at all).  Those families with income below poverty level, must pay 100% of any health insurance premium that they obtained through Obamacare, or they must apply for Medicaid.  And remember, Medicaid is administered through the States.  So Sean can blame the support of poverty level families, on the State government where they reside, not Obama.  </p>
<p>Also Sean doesn&#8217;t has an inibility to see a past today.  He  only sees a parent staying home to raise their children correctly, as a drain on the federal budget.  He doesn&#8217;t realize that his own idea of a good parent, may emphasize the monetary safety of the children now, but is less able to develop better morality in the child.  Unfortunately, these children will have more probability of draining the federal budget in their later years (ie.  addiction treatments, incarceration, etc.)</p>
<p>As an example Sean would quickly agree with, think about the Kennedy Family.  Very work and income oriented, as Sean would like to promote, but I think he would agree many of their children turned out morally dismal.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2014 01:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Victorian House&quot;:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdhqGUWGzjc

Very amusing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Victorian House&#8221;:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdhqGUWGzjc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdhqGUWGzjc</a></p>
<p>Very amusing.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2014 01:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A fascinating and often funny TV series was on PBS, which y&#039;all may remember, whereon they asked a modern family to live in painfully authentic old-time style: a Victorian family in London, e.g., and a few families on the American prairies.

What was amazing to me is how much they &lt;i&gt;cheated.&lt;/i&gt; Like smuggling in modern shampoo, etc. Seems like you&#039;d go whole-hog just to have an authentic experience. I don&#039;t think any of the families lived like that for more than a couple of months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating and often funny TV series was on PBS, which y&#8217;all may remember, whereon they asked a modern family to live in painfully authentic old-time style: a Victorian family in London, e.g., and a few families on the American prairies.</p>
<p>What was amazing to me is how much they <i>cheated.</i> Like smuggling in modern shampoo, etc. Seems like you&#8217;d go whole-hog just to have an authentic experience. I don&#8217;t think any of the families lived like that for more than a couple of months.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left is the source of evil. But without material wealth, their siren whisper would never have pulled in so many slaves that were once fully autonomous humans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left is the source of evil. But without material wealth, their siren whisper would never have pulled in so many slaves that were once fully autonomous humans.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 14:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beverly,

The further we get from the actual &quot;hands on&quot; daily grind of life, the more we lose our perspective.

As to the women&#039;s work issue, I once had a discussion with a very educated man (a physician) who wondered why dresses became the culturally acceptable clothing for women (rather than pants).  I pointed out to him that in most past societies even the better off had little access to multiple wardrobes (your two sets of clothing) and dresses were necessary to accommodate a woman whether she was pregnant or not; there was no such thing as a maternity wardrobe.

(Tangentially) this is a small revelation of one of the blessings that Western civilization and Western economies have provided; a heretofore unimaginable access to an absolute surfeit of goods across all economic levels which make our lives easier. . .  you know, that same Western civ that leftists loath as the source of all global evil.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly,</p>
<p>The further we get from the actual &#8220;hands on&#8221; daily grind of life, the more we lose our perspective.</p>
<p>As to the women&#8217;s work issue, I once had a discussion with a very educated man (a physician) who wondered why dresses became the culturally acceptable clothing for women (rather than pants).  I pointed out to him that in most past societies even the better off had little access to multiple wardrobes (your two sets of clothing) and dresses were necessary to accommodate a woman whether she was pregnant or not; there was no such thing as a maternity wardrobe.</p>
<p>(Tangentially) this is a small revelation of one of the blessings that Western civilization and Western economies have provided; a heretofore unimaginable access to an absolute surfeit of goods across all economic levels which make our lives easier. . .  you know, that same Western civ that leftists loath as the source of all global evil.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/02/28/more-on-the-obamacare-will-let-you-quit-job-front/#comment-744265</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 11:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Those 2% then dominated 98% of the South&#039;s political, social, and intellectual policies. But the wars that were fought for those policies weren&#039;t from the 2%. In fact, plantation class owners had draft exemptions although not all of them took it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those 2% then dominated 98% of the South&#8217;s political, social, and intellectual policies. But the wars that were fought for those policies weren&#8217;t from the 2%. In fact, plantation class owners had draft exemptions although not all of them took it.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/02/28/more-on-the-obamacare-will-let-you-quit-job-front/#comment-744248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 08:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, the tinsmiths and peddlers were Real Popular. Can you imagine the thrill of buying something (with your carefully saved pennies) that you didn&#039;t have to make from scratch?

Footnote: per the 1860 Census, the cash income for a yeoman farmer (family farm) in the South was $50. While an elderly female slave would run you $200; a skilled carpenter, ~$1200. 

If you do the math, you will divine that slavery was very much a rich man&#039;s game, and in fact, not quite 2% of white Southerners owned slaves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the tinsmiths and peddlers were Real Popular. Can you imagine the thrill of buying something (with your carefully saved pennies) that you didn&#8217;t have to make from scratch?</p>
<p>Footnote: per the 1860 Census, the cash income for a yeoman farmer (family farm) in the South was $50. While an elderly female slave would run you $200; a skilled carpenter, ~$1200. </p>
<p>If you do the math, you will divine that slavery was very much a rich man&#8217;s game, and in fact, not quite 2% of white Southerners owned slaves.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 08:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I say again, if one gets wrapped up in the details of the debate without challenging its erroneous basis, one is accepting the false premise and playing on the Progressive field. This is a losing proposition especially with adversaries who contradict themselves and then deny the contradiction.&lt;/i&gt;

Amen, T! THAT drives me crazy.

And re Neo&#039;s point about women&#039;s work: I edited a book about women&#039;s work before the Industrial Revolution (for which I thank the Lord). Here&#039;s a sample:
--Spin raw cotton or flax into thread (remember spinning wheels?)
--Weave thread on a loom into cloth
--Cut and sew together the clothing for each member of the family: Two outfits each, one for workaday, one for &quot;Sunday go to meeting&quot;
--Use hog lard (your husband butchers the hog and you get some of the fat) and lye to make soap
--Tend that beehive and gather wax to make candles, by hand, on wicks you&#039;ve woven out of that thread
--All the usual cleaning and cooking and childcare
--Tending to the vegetable garden
--Putting up all the food so it won&#039;t spoil; canning, preserves
--Usually, killing the chicken for the night&#039;s meal, and plucking, dressing, and roasting it
--Taking care of the chicken coop
--Helping your husband in the fields, especially if you don&#039;t yet have children, or they&#039;re too young to pitch in 

You get the idea. Absolutely Everything was handmade, and both husband and wife worked like, well, field hands. Accounts of the sodbusters out west recount tales of women giving birth in the morning (try That on for size, Artful) and then hitting the fields in the afternoon for plowing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I say again, if one gets wrapped up in the details of the debate without challenging its erroneous basis, one is accepting the false premise and playing on the Progressive field. This is a losing proposition especially with adversaries who contradict themselves and then deny the contradiction.</i></p>
<p>Amen, T! THAT drives me crazy.</p>
<p>And re Neo&#8217;s point about women&#8217;s work: I edited a book about women&#8217;s work before the Industrial Revolution (for which I thank the Lord). Here&#8217;s a sample:<br />
&#8211;Spin raw cotton or flax into thread (remember spinning wheels?)<br />
&#8211;Weave thread on a loom into cloth<br />
&#8211;Cut and sew together the clothing for each member of the family: Two outfits each, one for workaday, one for &#8220;Sunday go to meeting&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Use hog lard (your husband butchers the hog and you get some of the fat) and lye to make soap<br />
&#8211;Tend that beehive and gather wax to make candles, by hand, on wicks you&#8217;ve woven out of that thread<br />
&#8211;All the usual cleaning and cooking and childcare<br />
&#8211;Tending to the vegetable garden<br />
&#8211;Putting up all the food so it won&#8217;t spoil; canning, preserves<br />
&#8211;Usually, killing the chicken for the night&#8217;s meal, and plucking, dressing, and roasting it<br />
&#8211;Taking care of the chicken coop<br />
&#8211;Helping your husband in the fields, especially if you don&#8217;t yet have children, or they&#8217;re too young to pitch in </p>
<p>You get the idea. Absolutely Everything was handmade, and both husband and wife worked like, well, field hands. Accounts of the sodbusters out west recount tales of women giving birth in the morning (try That on for size, Artful) and then hitting the fields in the afternoon for plowing.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 02:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hillary, speaking at the University of Miami to days ago, UNDERLINED &#038; emphasized the Democrat Koolaid of &quot;follow your dream&quot; with no worries about insurance. Never mind that whole American work ethic thingy, Kids...Just follow European social democracies sterling successes.

LOATHSOME. Despicable. Unforgivable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary, speaking at the University of Miami to days ago, UNDERLINED &amp; emphasized the Democrat Koolaid of &#8220;follow your dream&#8221; with no worries about insurance. Never mind that whole American work ethic thingy, Kids&#8230;Just follow European social democracies sterling successes.</p>
<p>LOATHSOME. Despicable. Unforgivable.</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M J R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2014 01:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A couple of these posts remind me of a conversation I had with my grandfather, who had been a Menshevik in the revolution.

He evidently had not heard of profit-sharing plans run by many employers for their employees (this was around 1980), but never mind.

He said that these employers ought to share their profits with their employees.  He asked pointedly, what would it hurt the &quot;boss&quot; if he shared his profits with the workers?  Wouldn&#039;t it be right to share in the profits?

I said I have no problem at all with it, it&#039;s a good idea, I&#039;m in favor of it.  But now:  if the company has a bad year, can the boss take money back from the workers&#039; paychecks?

Silence.

That.  Had.  Never.  Ever.  Occured.  To.  Him.

--- ---

R.I.P., Grandpa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of these posts remind me of a conversation I had with my grandfather, who had been a Menshevik in the revolution.</p>
<p>He evidently had not heard of profit-sharing plans run by many employers for their employees (this was around 1980), but never mind.</p>
<p>He said that these employers ought to share their profits with their employees.  He asked pointedly, what would it hurt the &#8220;boss&#8221; if he shared his profits with the workers?  Wouldn&#8217;t it be right to share in the profits?</p>
<p>I said I have no problem at all with it, it&#8217;s a good idea, I&#8217;m in favor of it.  But now:  if the company has a bad year, can the boss take money back from the workers&#8217; paychecks?</p>
<p>Silence.</p>
<p>That.  Had.  Never.  Ever.  Occured.  To.  Him.</p>
<p>&#8212; &#8212;</p>
<p>R.I.P., Grandpa.</p>
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