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		By: Carrie Odell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-702818</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carrie Odell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2013 14:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was given this poem after I lost my job.  It totally rebuilt my spirit and got me back on track.

It’s called a magic poem because of the way the words affect people, I just think it’s Super Inspiring.

http://www.bubblews.com/news/1662106-i-am-mrg-poem]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was given this poem after I lost my job.  It totally rebuilt my spirit and got me back on track.</p>
<p>It’s called a magic poem because of the way the words affect people, I just think it’s Super Inspiring.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bubblews.com/news/1662106-i-am-mrg-poem" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bubblews.com/news/1662106-i-am-mrg-poem</a></p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-696715</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Nov 2013 01:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Destroying Medicare Advantage is a stake in the heart of the Old Guard Democrats.

Seniors are absolutely furious about it.

Many are LIV... and stupefied when the letter comes in the mail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Destroying Medicare Advantage is a stake in the heart of the Old Guard Democrats.</p>
<p>Seniors are absolutely furious about it.</p>
<p>Many are LIV&#8230; and stupefied when the letter comes in the mail.</p>
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		By: sbruce45		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-696695</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sbruce45]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Nov 2013 00:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Then there are the Medicare Advantage plans that are no longer offered because of the money withdrawn from Medicare Advantage and put into pay the Obamacare subsidies.  Maybe they should be forced to re-offer them too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there are the Medicare Advantage plans that are no longer offered because of the money withdrawn from Medicare Advantage and put into pay the Obamacare subsidies.  Maybe they should be forced to re-offer them too.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-696317</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 07:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most Democrats, especially the Hollywood aristocracy, are on a lot more hard drugs than what Blert mentioned. This isn&#039;t Obama alone. This is just the Left doing what the Left does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Democrats, especially the Hollywood aristocracy, are on a lot more hard drugs than what Blert mentioned. This isn&#8217;t Obama alone. This is just the Left doing what the Left does.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-696161</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 01:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matt_SE...

It&#039;s his metaphorical Barbarossa... 

It looked so good in the beginning, the desire had been there for years on end, then...

After the plunge, there&#039;s no backing out. Plan B is &#039;the bunker.&#039;

And, when the full history is written, we&#039;ll find out that he&#039;s on the bong every single night. This tick is why he pulls himself back from light-night pow-wows. He needs his private time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt_SE&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s his metaphorical Barbarossa&#8230; </p>
<p>It looked so good in the beginning, the desire had been there for years on end, then&#8230;</p>
<p>After the plunge, there&#8217;s no backing out. Plan B is &#8216;the bunker.&#8217;</p>
<p>And, when the full history is written, we&#8217;ll find out that he&#8217;s on the bong every single night. This tick is why he pulls himself back from light-night pow-wows. He needs his private time.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-696155</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 00:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Upton bill &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be vetoed, except that Reid will never let it get to a vote.
Probably Landrieu also, but even if passed her bill is unconstitutional: you can tax people all you want, but you &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; can&#039;t make the insurance companies offer a product.

In the end, neither would work anyway since it&#039;s too late.

On the bright side, Obama is wasting precious time. He has to think of a plausible fix or excuse and this isn&#039;t it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upton bill <i>would</i> be vetoed, except that Reid will never let it get to a vote.<br />
Probably Landrieu also, but even if passed her bill is unconstitutional: you can tax people all you want, but you <i>still</i> can&#8217;t make the insurance companies offer a product.</p>
<p>In the end, neither would work anyway since it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>On the bright side, Obama is wasting precious time. He has to think of a plausible fix or excuse and this isn&#8217;t it.</p>
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		By: delete.the.alternative		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-696008</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[delete.the.alternative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brings up the whole question of gov&#039;t run industry and business: worker&#039;s comp, retirement, medicaid, education. Do people know that if they get injured on the job they cannot bring a lawsuit in regular court for negligence or other tort? Oh, but the employer, the employer can be sued in state court for an allegation of failure to pay premiums. And held liable for 10 times the amount of unpaid premiums. 10 times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brings up the whole question of gov&#8217;t run industry and business: worker&#8217;s comp, retirement, medicaid, education. Do people know that if they get injured on the job they cannot bring a lawsuit in regular court for negligence or other tort? Oh, but the employer, the employer can be sued in state court for an allegation of failure to pay premiums. And held liable for 10 times the amount of unpaid premiums. 10 times.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-695996</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-patient-stuck-gurney-6-days-surgery-033514898.html

^^^ For Mitsu and John Dunne... It&#039;s a classic.

Other nations spend less on health care because -- budget wise -- they don&#039;t care.

Funds are simply not advanced. To bring their system up to US standards would require big bucks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-patient-stuck-gurney-6-days-surgery-033514898.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-patient-stuck-gurney-6-days-surgery-033514898.html</a></p>
<p>^^^ For Mitsu and John Dunne&#8230; It&#8217;s a classic.</p>
<p>Other nations spend less on health care because &#8212; budget wise &#8212; they don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>Funds are simply not advanced. To bring their system up to US standards would require big bucks.</p>
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		By: Jim		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/15/obamacare-what-a-tangled-web-we-weave/#comment-695991</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a sad commentary on literacy today that you  assume that most readers would not recognize the famous couplet that gives name to your piece.  At one time, it was a familiar to most people as a sort of folk wisdom.

Of course, you were right to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a sad commentary on literacy today that you  assume that most readers would not recognize the famous couplet that gives name to your piece.  At one time, it was a familiar to most people as a sort of folk wisdom.</p>
<p>Of course, you were right to do so.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2013 19:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another objectionable part of ObummerCare that simply hasn&#039;t gone into play yet is the loss of the family doctor. That&#039;s going to move people out of their comfort zone, big time. 

There&#039;s some excellent analysis by Thomas Lifson; 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/obamas_fallen_and_he_cant_get_up.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama&#039;s fallen and he can&#039;t get up&lt;/a&gt; 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The tangled web Barack Obama has woven for himself and the Democratic Party, which passed his signature legislation in lockstep, has left him with no way out. The multiple deceptions inherent in Obamacare are becoming obvious, and because they affect the health, wealth and welfare of every American, they cannot be papered over by a supportive media haze.

The &quot;you-can-keep-your&quot; lies about insurance policies and doctors are only the first stage of deception. Obamacare was sold to the American people on the premise that it would not add &quot;one dime&quot; to the deficit, a lie that was perpetrated with the help of gaming the scoring rules used by the Congressional Budget Office.  

[But] With Medicaid enrollments soaring and guarantees to make whole health insurance companies who might lose money spiraling into the stratosphere, the ten year cost to taxpayers will be in the realm of the t-word, trillions, if this abomination is not repealed. 

 Yesterday, the president announced his intention to change what Democrats only weeks ago were calling &quot;settled law&quot; without Congressional authorization, exempting health insurance companies from the mandates in that law. This doesn&#039;t pass the laugh test, as the toothpaste has already been squeezed out of the tube, and even if state insurance commissioners went along (the State of Washington commissioner has already announced he won&#039;t), there is no way that health insurance companies could re-do their paperwork in time for December 15th, the effective deadline for having policies in force on January 1st. 

The administration that couldn&#039;t make a website work with over three years of time and more money than has ever been spent on a website now expects health insurance companies and insurance commissioners in 50 states to go through complex calculations and review procedures in one month. 

The very industry Obama recently characterized as &quot;bad apples&quot;is now expected to pull his chestnuts from the fire and perform miracles.

It is already certain that on January 1st, 2014, people with sick and injured family members will be showing up in emergency rooms and told that they have no health insurance coverage. Bankruptcy, lack of treatment, and eventually, fatalities will result. &lt;i&gt;Obama lied and people died&lt;/i&gt;. The slogan writes itself.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

&lt;b&gt;“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”&lt;/b&gt; Barack Obama, 2009 

&lt;i&gt;Obama lied and people died&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another objectionable part of ObummerCare that simply hasn&#8217;t gone into play yet is the loss of the family doctor. That&#8217;s going to move people out of their comfort zone, big time. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s some excellent analysis by Thomas Lifson;<br />
<a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/11/obamas_fallen_and_he_cant_get_up.html" rel="nofollow">Obama&#8217;s fallen and he can&#8217;t get up</a> </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The tangled web Barack Obama has woven for himself and the Democratic Party, which passed his signature legislation in lockstep, has left him with no way out. The multiple deceptions inherent in Obamacare are becoming obvious, and because they affect the health, wealth and welfare of every American, they cannot be papered over by a supportive media haze.</p>
<p>The &#8220;you-can-keep-your&#8221; lies about insurance policies and doctors are only the first stage of deception. Obamacare was sold to the American people on the premise that it would not add &#8220;one dime&#8221; to the deficit, a lie that was perpetrated with the help of gaming the scoring rules used by the Congressional Budget Office.  </p>
<p>[But] With Medicaid enrollments soaring and guarantees to make whole health insurance companies who might lose money spiraling into the stratosphere, the ten year cost to taxpayers will be in the realm of the t-word, trillions, if this abomination is not repealed. </p>
<p> Yesterday, the president announced his intention to change what Democrats only weeks ago were calling &#8220;settled law&#8221; without Congressional authorization, exempting health insurance companies from the mandates in that law. This doesn&#8217;t pass the laugh test, as the toothpaste has already been squeezed out of the tube, and even if state insurance commissioners went along (the State of Washington commissioner has already announced he won&#8217;t), there is no way that health insurance companies could re-do their paperwork in time for December 15th, the effective deadline for having policies in force on January 1st. </p>
<p>The administration that couldn&#8217;t make a website work with over three years of time and more money than has ever been spent on a website now expects health insurance companies and insurance commissioners in 50 states to go through complex calculations and review procedures in one month. </p>
<p>The very industry Obama recently characterized as &#8220;bad apples&#8221;is now expected to pull his chestnuts from the fire and perform miracles.</p>
<p>It is already certain that on January 1st, 2014, people with sick and injured family members will be showing up in emergency rooms and told that they have no health insurance coverage. Bankruptcy, lack of treatment, and eventually, fatalities will result. <i>Obama lied and people died</i>. The slogan writes itself.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><b>“No matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people. If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”</b> Barack Obama, 2009 </p>
<p><i>Obama lied and people died</i></p>
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