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	Comments on: &#8220;Daisy Daisy&#8221; actually was one of the first computer vocalizations	</title>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/12/daisy-daisy-actually-was-one-of-the-first-computer-vocalizations/#comment-695303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 17:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t kid about Skynet now. I&#039;m pretty sure if they could, they would program our computers to send enough energy pulses to scramble our brains... if they could.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t kid about Skynet now. I&#8217;m pretty sure if they could, they would program our computers to send enough energy pulses to scramble our brains&#8230; if they could.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/12/daisy-daisy-actually-was-one-of-the-first-computer-vocalizations/#comment-694975</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 05:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric Brown:

Yes, it was an &lt;i&gt;intentional&lt;/i&gt; paradox on Kubrick&#039;s part.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Brown:</p>
<p>Yes, it was an <i>intentional</i> paradox on Kubrick&#8217;s part.</p>
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		By: Eric Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/12/daisy-daisy-actually-was-one-of-the-first-computer-vocalizations/#comment-694936</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not a paradox that HAL is the most emotional character in the movie; Kubrick &lt;a href=&quot;http://whatculture.com/film/10-common-criticisms-of-2001-a-space-odyssey-and-why-they-have-no-validity.php/6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;intentionally portrayed&lt;/a&gt; the humans as more robotic than the computer, to highlight the duality of organic life vs. artificial life, and to make HAL a more compelling villain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a paradox that HAL is the most emotional character in the movie; Kubrick <a href="http://whatculture.com/film/10-common-criticisms-of-2001-a-space-odyssey-and-why-they-have-no-validity.php/6" rel="nofollow">intentionally portrayed</a> the humans as more robotic than the computer, to highlight the duality of organic life vs. artificial life, and to make HAL a more compelling villain.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/12/daisy-daisy-actually-was-one-of-the-first-computer-vocalizations/#comment-694329</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s at least shallow compared to their hate fest propaganda for Sarah Palin. That had a lot more emotional depth and impact, I thought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s at least shallow compared to their hate fest propaganda for Sarah Palin. That had a lot more emotional depth and impact, I thought.</p>
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		By: Cardsos01		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/12/daisy-daisy-actually-was-one-of-the-first-computer-vocalizations/#comment-694284</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cardsos01]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 06:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-neocon: 

How is the connection shallow...nevertheless? Nevertheless of what? Of all the evidence in that article? How so?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-neocon: </p>
<p>How is the connection shallow&#8230;nevertheless? Nevertheless of what? Of all the evidence in that article? How so?</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/12/daisy-daisy-actually-was-one-of-the-first-computer-vocalizations/#comment-694218</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 03:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl:

That&#039;s a very interesting article you linked to, and I agree with it to a certain extent.  The problem is that although we see Bullock&#039;s character go through the grief/rebirth process there is something very shallow about our connection to her nevertheless.  

Also, I just want to add that the stages of grief are not a linear progression, as they are sometimes portrayed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a very interesting article you linked to, and I agree with it to a certain extent.  The problem is that although we see Bullock&#8217;s character go through the grief/rebirth process there is something very shallow about our connection to her nevertheless.  </p>
<p>Also, I just want to add that the stages of grief are not a linear progression, as they are sometimes portrayed.</p>
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		By: southpaw		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/12/daisy-daisy-actually-was-one-of-the-first-computer-vocalizations/#comment-694181</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[southpaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 03:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HAL. Shift the letters one character right in the alphabet, and you get IBM.  This was scary stuff before NSA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAL. Shift the letters one character right in the alphabet, and you get IBM.  This was scary stuff before NSA.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/12/daisy-daisy-actually-was-one-of-the-first-computer-vocalizations/#comment-694148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And here&#039;s a really interesting take on &lt;i&gt;Gravity&lt;/i&gt;, which I just read tonight.  It was linked at the NSF.com thread that I linked here last night.  (It&#039;s up to 30 pages now.)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.filmcolossus.com/1/post/2013/10/how-gravity-is-a-metaphor-for-the-grieving-process.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How &quot;Gravity&quot; is a metaphor for the grieving process&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here&#8217;s a really interesting take on <i>Gravity</i>, which I just read tonight.  It was linked at the NSF.com thread that I linked here last night.  (It&#8217;s up to 30 pages now.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.filmcolossus.com/1/post/2013/10/how-gravity-is-a-metaphor-for-the-grieving-process.html" rel="nofollow">How &#8220;Gravity&#8221; is a metaphor for the grieving process</a></p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 02:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t read &quot;The Sentinel&quot;, and I was only 10 when the movie came out in 1968.  I didn&#039;t see it until a number of years later, and by then I had read some critical analysis of the movie before I saw it.

I&#039;m sure there was quite a bit of head-scratching among film-goers in &#039;68, though.

***

As is my wont, I was mainly interested in the spacecraft and the movie&#039;s attempt to depict spaceflight realistically, which was groundbreaking and had a lasting impact in how spaceflight was shown in the movies.

One important point is that the movie showed a variety of different spacecraft which were specialized for different roles.  There was an airplane-like passenger carrier which flew between Earth and the space station.  It bore the Pan Am insignia, which recognized that privately-owned spacecraft would have a role to play in the future.  Then there was the Moon shuttle, which was optimized to fly between the station and the Moon, and landed with legs and thrusters.  Finally there was the enormous &lt;i&gt;Discovery&lt;/i&gt; interplanetary craft, which I believe was nuclear-powered.

The same applies to airplanes.  There is no single design of airplane that is suitable for every role.  There are lots of different specialized designs which are optimized for their purpose, such as passenger planes, fighters, bombers, spy planes, crop dusters, traffic helicopters, etc.

But in the 1970s, we got the Space Shuttle, which was a one-size-fits-all spacecraft which didn&#039;t perform any role efficiently and turned out to be not only much more expensive than advertised, but extremely fragile as well.

One thing that bothered me a little about &lt;i&gt;2001&lt;/i&gt; was the way it portrayed spaceflight as sterile and antiseptic, almost inhuman.  There was one scene where an astronaut was eating a meal.  It was a plastic tray filled with different colors of paste which was apparently supposed to represent different foods.

About a decade later, the first &lt;i&gt;Star Wars&lt;/i&gt; movie again revolutionized the way spaceflight was depicted on screen.  It made it seem more human in a way that &lt;i&gt;2001&lt;/i&gt; didn&#039;t.  It had spacecraft that were a little dingy and banged-up, and &quot;lived-in&quot;.  My favorite scene was in the &lt;i&gt;Millennium Falcon&lt;/i&gt;, which was portrayed as an old junker.  They were flying along and the lights in the cockpit suddenly went out.  Han Solo banged on the instrument panel, and they came on again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read &#8220;The Sentinel&#8221;, and I was only 10 when the movie came out in 1968.  I didn&#8217;t see it until a number of years later, and by then I had read some critical analysis of the movie before I saw it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there was quite a bit of head-scratching among film-goers in &#8217;68, though.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>As is my wont, I was mainly interested in the spacecraft and the movie&#8217;s attempt to depict spaceflight realistically, which was groundbreaking and had a lasting impact in how spaceflight was shown in the movies.</p>
<p>One important point is that the movie showed a variety of different spacecraft which were specialized for different roles.  There was an airplane-like passenger carrier which flew between Earth and the space station.  It bore the Pan Am insignia, which recognized that privately-owned spacecraft would have a role to play in the future.  Then there was the Moon shuttle, which was optimized to fly between the station and the Moon, and landed with legs and thrusters.  Finally there was the enormous <i>Discovery</i> interplanetary craft, which I believe was nuclear-powered.</p>
<p>The same applies to airplanes.  There is no single design of airplane that is suitable for every role.  There are lots of different specialized designs which are optimized for their purpose, such as passenger planes, fighters, bombers, spy planes, crop dusters, traffic helicopters, etc.</p>
<p>But in the 1970s, we got the Space Shuttle, which was a one-size-fits-all spacecraft which didn&#8217;t perform any role efficiently and turned out to be not only much more expensive than advertised, but extremely fragile as well.</p>
<p>One thing that bothered me a little about <i>2001</i> was the way it portrayed spaceflight as sterile and antiseptic, almost inhuman.  There was one scene where an astronaut was eating a meal.  It was a plastic tray filled with different colors of paste which was apparently supposed to represent different foods.</p>
<p>About a decade later, the first <i>Star Wars</i> movie again revolutionized the way spaceflight was depicted on screen.  It made it seem more human in a way that <i>2001</i> didn&#8217;t.  It had spacecraft that were a little dingy and banged-up, and &#8220;lived-in&#8221;.  My favorite scene was in the <i>Millennium Falcon</i>, which was portrayed as an old junker.  They were flying along and the lights in the cockpit suddenly went out.  Han Solo banged on the instrument panel, and they came on again.</p>
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		By: Mac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I had not read &quot;The Sentinel&quot;, but I had read Clarke&#039;s similarly-themed novel &lt;i&gt;Childhood&#039;s End&lt;/i&gt;, so I was able to figure out roughly what the movie was driving at.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had not read &#8220;The Sentinel&#8221;, but I had read Clarke&#8217;s similarly-themed novel <i>Childhood&#8217;s End</i>, so I was able to figure out roughly what the movie was driving at.</p>
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