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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/11/leaving-the-fold-criticizing-obamacare/#comment-694332</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For those that doubt the 99-100% number for democratic &quot;majority support&quot;, consider that 93% of DC ruling class and fodder slaves voted for Obama in 2008.

Also it has been reported that 100% in precincts were for McAuliffe.

So while they have not yet made the 1% rule over the 99% giving &quot;consent&quot; or 100% &quot;consent&quot; by majority rules, they are working on it even as we speak. Just give them time.


Saddam had 99% of the vote. Difference? There will be none.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those that doubt the 99-100% number for democratic &#8220;majority support&#8221;, consider that 93% of DC ruling class and fodder slaves voted for Obama in 2008.</p>
<p>Also it has been reported that 100% in precincts were for McAuliffe.</p>
<p>So while they have not yet made the 1% rule over the 99% giving &#8220;consent&#8221; or 100% &#8220;consent&#8221; by majority rules, they are working on it even as we speak. Just give them time.</p>
<p>Saddam had 99% of the vote. Difference? There will be none.</p>
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		By: James		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/11/leaving-the-fold-criticizing-obamacare/#comment-693887</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are no friends in leftism only comrades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no friends in leftism only comrades.</p>
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		By: physics geek		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/11/leaving-the-fold-criticizing-obamacare/#comment-693842</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[physics geek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;See, this is why we need single payer---which is inevitable at this point.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This has been the end game. I think I mentioned that this massive failure would lead to single-payer. The Democrats will point to O-care&#039;s failure and say &quot;See? This is how private insurance is a failure&quot; and then say the only fix is single-payer. The fact that government run health care is a failure the first time will be completely ignored.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;See, this is why we need single payer&#8212;which is inevitable at this point.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This has been the end game. I think I mentioned that this massive failure would lead to single-payer. The Democrats will point to O-care&#8217;s failure and say &#8220;See? This is how private insurance is a failure&#8221; and then say the only fix is single-payer. The fact that government run health care is a failure the first time will be completely ignored.</p>
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		By: I R A Darth Aggie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/11/leaving-the-fold-criticizing-obamacare/#comment-693788</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I R A Darth Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another thing to point out is that many of the people without insurance now &lt;b&gt;still will not have insurance after&lt;/b&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing to point out is that many of the people without insurance now <b>still will not have insurance after</b>.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/11/leaving-the-fold-criticizing-obamacare/#comment-693754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My husband believes that this is all according to plan - that the administration deliberately messed up the rollout of a sort-of-market-based approach to health insurance in order to make society throw the baby out with the bathwater and go single-payer. I dunno... all I know is that he and I both opposed it from the get-go, albeit for different proximate reasons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband believes that this is all according to plan &#8211; that the administration deliberately messed up the rollout of a sort-of-market-based approach to health insurance in order to make society throw the baby out with the bathwater and go single-payer. I dunno&#8230; all I know is that he and I both opposed it from the get-go, albeit for different proximate reasons.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part of a comment I wrote at Bookworm Room.

&quot;Ironically, centralized planning grows the best from a test case of democracy. It make take a few generations for it to manifest, or a single one such as Jamestown or the Pilgrims’ communism, but the effects are dramatic. It comes from the natural interpretation that equal rights and status means equal access to individual resources. Thus in a group of 10, 6 will decide for the majority what is best between equals. Amongst the six, they will have a debate, and 4 will win it by dent of equal status. Thus the 4 decides for the six what is done, and the 6 decides for the 10 what will be done. Amongst the majority of 4, there will be 1 strong leader, 1 executive officer, and 1 supporter. They determine for the 4 what will be. Amongst the group of 4, 2 are most important, the leader and second in command. In a hierarchy of 2, the leader determines what goes on.
 
So in a democracy, it naturally comes about that 1 or 2 people, determine 99% of the time, what 10 people will do all together. Thus once this system is naturally evolved and matured from the raw condition of democracy, equality, they will have a First Among Equals. As a natural step after that, is equal distribution of resources, as determined by the 1%.

Meanwhile, the rest of the democracy community thinks they “voted” in their leader. That may or may not be true depending on the virtues of individuals. So in actual fact, democracy and equality are the best conditions in which to grow tyranny, centralized control, and confiscation of private property.&quot;

This is why majority rules is almost indistinguishable from an oligarchy, since in the 4th dimension (+time), it naturally becomes an oligarchy.

What keeps a democracy or republic functioning the way it was designed is unnatural human free will and the exercise there of. Virtues that keep the vices at bay.

Not even the US Constitution was designed to be able to govern a bunch of virtueless thieves and mass murdering rapists.

An oligarchy, though, doesn&#039;t pretend it has the support of the majority of 99% of the people. A democracy does though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of a comment I wrote at Bookworm Room.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ironically, centralized planning grows the best from a test case of democracy. It make take a few generations for it to manifest, or a single one such as Jamestown or the Pilgrims’ communism, but the effects are dramatic. It comes from the natural interpretation that equal rights and status means equal access to individual resources. Thus in a group of 10, 6 will decide for the majority what is best between equals. Amongst the six, they will have a debate, and 4 will win it by dent of equal status. Thus the 4 decides for the six what is done, and the 6 decides for the 10 what will be done. Amongst the majority of 4, there will be 1 strong leader, 1 executive officer, and 1 supporter. They determine for the 4 what will be. Amongst the group of 4, 2 are most important, the leader and second in command. In a hierarchy of 2, the leader determines what goes on.</p>
<p>So in a democracy, it naturally comes about that 1 or 2 people, determine 99% of the time, what 10 people will do all together. Thus once this system is naturally evolved and matured from the raw condition of democracy, equality, they will have a First Among Equals. As a natural step after that, is equal distribution of resources, as determined by the 1%.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the rest of the democracy community thinks they “voted” in their leader. That may or may not be true depending on the virtues of individuals. So in actual fact, democracy and equality are the best conditions in which to grow tyranny, centralized control, and confiscation of private property.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why majority rules is almost indistinguishable from an oligarchy, since in the 4th dimension (+time), it naturally becomes an oligarchy.</p>
<p>What keeps a democracy or republic functioning the way it was designed is unnatural human free will and the exercise there of. Virtues that keep the vices at bay.</p>
<p>Not even the US Constitution was designed to be able to govern a bunch of virtueless thieves and mass murdering rapists.</p>
<p>An oligarchy, though, doesn&#8217;t pretend it has the support of the majority of 99% of the people. A democracy does though.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/11/leaving-the-fold-criticizing-obamacare/#comment-693595</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I am hearing that people can’t go back to their old policies because they no longer exist and would have to be state approved which takes months. They can’t see the new plans because the website doesn’t work. They are in no man’s land.&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly right, Mr. Frank. And for those of us with preexisting conditions, who HAD insurance until the Central Government bombed it, the situation is rather desperate.

And there&#039;s more: the great Sharyl Atkisson had a report on CBS News tonight that the Obamacare website is fatally vulnerable to hackers and identity thieves ---

&quot;(CBS News) WASHINGTON -- CBS News has learned that the project manager in charge of building the federal health care website was apparently kept in the dark [if you believe him!] about serious failures in the website&#039;s security. Those failures could lead to identity theft among those buying insurance. The project manager testified to congressional investigators behind closed doors, but CBS News has obtained the first look at a partial transcript of his testimony.

Henry Chao, HealthCare.gov&#039;s chief project manager at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), gave nine hours of closed-door testimony to the House Oversight Committee in advance of this week&#039;s hearing. In excerpts CBS News has obtained, Chao was asked about a memo that outlined important security risks discovered in the insurance system.

Chao said he was unaware of a Sept. 3 government memo written by another senior official at CMS. It found two high-risk issues, which are redacted for security reasons. The memo said &quot;the threat and risk potential (to the system) is limitless.&quot; [!!!] The memo shows CMS gave deadlines of mid-2014 and early 2015 to address them.

But Chao testified he&#039;d been told the opposite.

&quot;What I recall is what the team told me, is that there were no high findings,&quot; he said.

Chao testified security gaps could lead to identity theft, unauthorized access, and misrouted data.

According to federal guidelines, &quot;high risk&quot; means &quot;the vulnerability could be expected to have a severe or catastrophic adverse affect on organizational operations . . . assets or individuals.&quot; [See CBS Evening News&#039; website for Nov. 11th for the rest of the story.]

So we&#039;re supposed to sign up on THAT? and they&#039;ve already said they&#039;re hiring convicted felons who&#039;ll have access to all our medical and financial/tax information!!!

Where is Franz Kafka?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am hearing that people can’t go back to their old policies because they no longer exist and would have to be state approved which takes months. They can’t see the new plans because the website doesn’t work. They are in no man’s land.</i></p>
<p>Exactly right, Mr. Frank. And for those of us with preexisting conditions, who HAD insurance until the Central Government bombed it, the situation is rather desperate.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s more: the great Sharyl Atkisson had a report on CBS News tonight that the Obamacare website is fatally vulnerable to hackers and identity thieves &#8212;</p>
<p>&#8220;(CBS News) WASHINGTON &#8212; CBS News has learned that the project manager in charge of building the federal health care website was apparently kept in the dark [if you believe him!] about serious failures in the website&#8217;s security. Those failures could lead to identity theft among those buying insurance. The project manager testified to congressional investigators behind closed doors, but CBS News has obtained the first look at a partial transcript of his testimony.</p>
<p>Henry Chao, HealthCare.gov&#8217;s chief project manager at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), gave nine hours of closed-door testimony to the House Oversight Committee in advance of this week&#8217;s hearing. In excerpts CBS News has obtained, Chao was asked about a memo that outlined important security risks discovered in the insurance system.</p>
<p>Chao said he was unaware of a Sept. 3 government memo written by another senior official at CMS. It found two high-risk issues, which are redacted for security reasons. The memo said &#8220;the threat and risk potential (to the system) is limitless.&#8221; [!!!] The memo shows CMS gave deadlines of mid-2014 and early 2015 to address them.</p>
<p>But Chao testified he&#8217;d been told the opposite.</p>
<p>&#8220;What I recall is what the team told me, is that there were no high findings,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>Chao testified security gaps could lead to identity theft, unauthorized access, and misrouted data.</p>
<p>According to federal guidelines, &#8220;high risk&#8221; means &#8220;the vulnerability could be expected to have a severe or catastrophic adverse affect on organizational operations . . . assets or individuals.&#8221; [See CBS Evening News&#8217; website for Nov. 11th for the rest of the story.]</p>
<p>So we&#8217;re supposed to sign up on THAT? and they&#8217;ve already said they&#8217;re hiring convicted felons who&#8217;ll have access to all our medical and financial/tax information!!!</p>
<p>Where is Franz Kafka?</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Time for the hapless Gottlieb to step up and engage in the ritual of &lt;b&gt;samokritika.&lt;/b&gt; (I was thinking of this Communist custom in connection to the blacklisted Richie Incognito of the NFL, but it fits the pattern so many Leftist mob attacks, doesn&#039;t it?)

&lt;i&gt;Samokritika&lt;/i&gt;: Note the parallels between our Leftists&#039; witch-hunts and the practice in Stalin&#039;s USSR.

&#039;Kritika/samokritika is an example of an “apology ritual” in which the apology element served to affirm the “mistake,” to pronounce a lesson to others below [in rank] not to make the same mistake, and to recognise the status and rights of the party receiving the apology (the Leadership) to set the rules.

&#039;It thereby affirms the unity and authority of the Collective.

&#039;The subject, who was either removed or censured, was supposed to play his part by recognising that the leadership’s position was “completely correct”, reiterating the critique in the context of “self-criticism” [samokritika].

&#039;These apologetic rituals were a “show of discursive affirmation from below,” indicating that the dissident “publicly accepts . . . the judgment of his superior that this is an an offense and reaffirms the rule in question.”

&#039;In this sense, they had a transactional component, in which the self-criticism paid “symbolic taxation” to a higher authority.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for the hapless Gottlieb to step up and engage in the ritual of <b>samokritika.</b> (I was thinking of this Communist custom in connection to the blacklisted Richie Incognito of the NFL, but it fits the pattern so many Leftist mob attacks, doesn&#8217;t it?)</p>
<p><i>Samokritika</i>: Note the parallels between our Leftists&#8217; witch-hunts and the practice in Stalin&#8217;s USSR.</p>
<p>&#8216;Kritika/samokritika is an example of an “apology ritual” in which the apology element served to affirm the “mistake,” to pronounce a lesson to others below [in rank] not to make the same mistake, and to recognise the status and rights of the party receiving the apology (the Leadership) to set the rules.</p>
<p>&#8216;It thereby affirms the unity and authority of the Collective.</p>
<p>&#8216;The subject, who was either removed or censured, was supposed to play his part by recognising that the leadership’s position was “completely correct”, reiterating the critique in the context of “self-criticism” [samokritika].</p>
<p>&#8216;These apologetic rituals were a “show of discursive affirmation from below,” indicating that the dissident “publicly accepts . . . the judgment of his superior that this is an an offense and reaffirms the rule in question.”</p>
<p>&#8216;In this sense, they had a transactional component, in which the self-criticism paid “symbolic taxation” to a higher authority.&#8217;</p>
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		By: Promethea		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s important that we keep repeating the phrase, &quot;Liberal Fascism.&quot; 

We small-government patriots have a lot of trouble explaining our views. I, for one, never ever win an argument because the liberals I know....everyone except for a tiny group....think they know everything. They never argue; they just shut down the conversation if they think I disagree.

I most recently had this experience last night re &quot;global warming&quot; and the Philippine typhoon disaster. 

So we must find a way to throw the brain-dead people simple phrases that they can grasp easily.

&quot;Liberal Fascism&quot; is one such cliche, but together I hope we can develop some simple phrases that work as push-backs to the dominant communist ideology now being promoted everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important that we keep repeating the phrase, &#8220;Liberal Fascism.&#8221; </p>
<p>We small-government patriots have a lot of trouble explaining our views. I, for one, never ever win an argument because the liberals I know&#8230;.everyone except for a tiny group&#8230;.think they know everything. They never argue; they just shut down the conversation if they think I disagree.</p>
<p>I most recently had this experience last night re &#8220;global warming&#8221; and the Philippine typhoon disaster. </p>
<p>So we must find a way to throw the brain-dead people simple phrases that they can grasp easily.</p>
<p>&#8220;Liberal Fascism&#8221; is one such cliche, but together I hope we can develop some simple phrases that work as push-backs to the dominant communist ideology now being promoted everywhere.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2013 02:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; becomes the rule of the mob&quot;

The only saving grace is that the mob tends to agitate close together.... a target rich environment. Sooner or later it will all come down to ashes, ashes.  Those left will crawl out from underneath the rubble and build a new nation. What it will be no one knows.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; becomes the rule of the mob&#8221;</p>
<p>The only saving grace is that the mob tends to agitate close together&#8230;. a target rich environment. Sooner or later it will all come down to ashes, ashes.  Those left will crawl out from underneath the rubble and build a new nation. What it will be no one knows.</p>
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