Comments on: Some of the deserving poor whom you’ll be subsidizing under Obamacare https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/ A blog about political change, among other things Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:22:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-689063 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 18:22:51 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-689063 ArmyMom:

I have hardly talked politics at all with my friends for the last year.

]]> By: Dan D https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688961 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:29:49 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688961 More anecdotal evidence, I have some lefty friends who are non-tenured researcher at a major university, the kind of job where they must pursue external grants and collaborative research funding in order for their employment position to even exist. It’s fun technology and basic scientific research with few practical applications, and they like their field, if not their station in life. They would both love to be able to follow their muse instead of the daily grind, but a medical condition requires them to be in the university’s employ for the excellent health care benefits.

As late as September they were still excitedly burbling about how Obamacare changes everything, they can pick up and move anywhere and do anything, even if it doesn’t pay well, or at all. They can just get great insurance on the exchanges! It will probably be better than this sorry University coverage we have now! Of course, my profitable employer can only dream of affording the gold-plated plan they have as university affiliated researchers.

I tried to gently suggest that the details will be in the fine print after implementation gets going, they just shake their heads in sorrow that their friend and neighbor could possibly be infected with crazy wingnut ideas like Obamacare not being anything but great free stuff… They are not far from the article’s artists in their expectations.

]]> By: Mac https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688943 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:11:48 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688943 It has been obvious from the very beginning that even with the best intentions on the part of the administration this thing was bound to leave many openings for exploitation by all sorts of people with an interest in and talent for gaming the system. Not only people exploiting the subsidies etc. as consumers, but lawyers and consultants and health care providers. And we know that we can’t even assume good will, since cronyism has been operative in it from the start. It will be severely infested with parasites.

I’ll never forget arguing online about HillaryCare with a woman who went on and on about how great it was going to be as she explained some labyrinthine set of rules and procedures. It turned out that she was a lawyer/consultant in the health care arena who eventually admitted that she expected to do very well out of it.

Axiom: if you need a consultant to navigate the system, it’s too complicated.

]]> By: ArmyMom https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688942 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:07:13 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688942 Neo – Just curious if you have run this bit of fact by your liberal friends. Do they care? What about 0care would make them take notice? I have noticed that all my few liberal friends have gone dead silent on the subject of 0care.

]]> By: Surellin https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688807 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:14:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688807 Interesting and horrible. Because of a few lucky breaks (my rural farm is now suburban, a first-cousin-twice-removed died and left me a pile) I am technically a millionaire. But my income has always been…. modest. I rather suspect that I would qualify for the full subsidy given the size of my family.

]]> By: Richard Saunders https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688541 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:35:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688541 No, Yamarsakar — a body fit to NOT work!

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688447 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 03:10:15 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688447 JVermeer51:

I believe that must be a glitch. The standard for the determination is line 37 of form 1040.

]]> By: Don Carlos https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688445 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 03:05:35 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688445 We need to see the Horsts in a larger context:
Art and art “education” are everywhere in the town of ~150K in which I live; in the schools, public and private (one for middle schoolers is a designated “arts academy”), in commerce-a commercial do-it-yourself pottery place; to say nothing about the half-dozen ballet/dance studios that are always giving ill-attended recitals in public venues.

The city government loves art, of course. There are now a bunch of artsy non-profits that get grants from city gov’t and there is a move underfoot to build “affordable housing” for artists (not auto techs or house painters, but “artists”).

Any resemblance to Weimar Berlin? Naaah. I read too much.

]]> By: Jvermeer51 https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688443 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 02:58:14 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688443 Living in Washington state, I went on the state exchange website and found that they count neither interest nor capital gains in totaling income. Capital gains I can understand (although the summaries I’ve read of the requirements include capital gains) but leaving out interest. Maybe it’s just a glitch. Like Obama’s elections.

]]> By: Ymarsakar https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/05/some-of-the-deserving-poor-whom-youll-be-subsidizing-under-obamacare/#comment-688416 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 01:27:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=33492#comment-688416 In the Left’s eyes, the only asset a slave needs is a body fit to work.

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