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		By: Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/04/oh-those-greedy-grasping-insurance-companies/#comment-704387</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SWAT teams have been used to collect student debt.

It won’t be long now before the death squads are unleashed on uncooperative citizens that aren’t “paying their fair share”.

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You&#039;d like to believe that wouldn&#039;t you?  But it&#039;s not true.  It was to arrest an individual committing student loan fraud.  Why do folks willfully misrepresent facts?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SWAT teams have been used to collect student debt.</p>
<p>It won’t be long now before the death squads are unleashed on uncooperative citizens that aren’t “paying their fair share”.</p>
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<p>You&#8217;d like to believe that wouldn&#8217;t you?  But it&#8217;s not true.  It was to arrest an individual committing student loan fraud.  Why do folks willfully misrepresent facts?</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/04/oh-those-greedy-grasping-insurance-companies/#comment-704384</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great.  You can ALWAYS find a one of to prove a point.  As Republicans are fond of doing, they swing out a heart warming story or heart wrenching one in a lame attempt to counter the very intuitive idea of universal coverage.

And no, you were not truly a Democrat.  People don&#039;t change that much.  A registered one maybe, but one in spirit, never.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great.  You can ALWAYS find a one of to prove a point.  As Republicans are fond of doing, they swing out a heart warming story or heart wrenching one in a lame attempt to counter the very intuitive idea of universal coverage.</p>
<p>And no, you were not truly a Democrat.  People don&#8217;t change that much.  A registered one maybe, but one in spirit, never.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/04/oh-those-greedy-grasping-insurance-companies/#comment-688095</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SWAT teams have been used to collect student debt.

It won&#039;t be long now before the death squads are unleashed on uncooperative citizens that aren&#039;t &quot;paying their fair share&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SWAT teams have been used to collect student debt.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t be long now before the death squads are unleashed on uncooperative citizens that aren&#8217;t &#8220;paying their fair share&#8221;.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 21:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Socialized medicine -- European style -- always cuts off such expensive -- and ultimately futile -- medical interventions.

This is buried in the back pages of regulations and budgets.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel has pushed this forward as THE way to square up the national medical budget -- going back years and years.

It&#039;s a difficult calculus, for such massive expenditures DO task the medical community. 

When a patient is limited to their own resources, it&#039;s impossible to shift the economic burden to the larger society.

We no longer abide by that restriction. Via the intermediation of insurance companies, it&#039;s not uncommon for cancer patients to run up staggering bills even as the prospect of cure drives to zero.

This tendency is enabled to the limit with complete socialization of medical provision. 

And in every nation, in one guise or another, death panels are empowered to play God -- and jerk the plug.

While, at first, the process is pitched as being required for the financial viability, nay stability, of the system -- without a doubt it progresses down from the extremes to the banal.

In too short a time, just being bedridden is cause enough to pull your plug. This has already been exposed in Britain. The administrators were being given kickbacks for terminating grandma! They did so by the tens of thousands per month!

We&#039;re talking about elderly patients that were merely bedridden. The challenges of drinking fluids and bed pans were too much for the State.

I can&#039;t imagine how America could not fail to fall into the same moral rut once the corrosive effects of 0-care cut deep.

Lest we forget, socialized medicine does not allow torts. The State shall not be sued. 

0-care is a travesty of privacy, of coercive power, of crony capitalism, of cynical politics.

It can&#039;t be made to run on time -- i.e. by years end.

It&#039;s chasing away the physicians. It&#039;s a moral insult to their profession.

And, no one can explain to me where all of the additional premia are going to. It would seem that we are expected to sign up for policies that actually can&#039;t pay out; that our destiny is to queue up forever. -- The latter THE common trait across all socialized medical schemes.

I don&#039;t think even the insurance industry can correctly price these new policies. Just too many variables are in extreme flux. 

The President constantly pitches subsidies -- but where exactly is THAT money coming from?

Am I to believe that the insurance industry is now a branch of the IRS -- collecting funds that get shunted over so that some taxpayers get subsidies?

It all smacks of un-Constitutionality. 

Is the IRS being used to collect insurance premia?

It&#039;s a hairball.

I&#039;ve not seen anyone address this bizarro mechanism.

Is it the case that the subsidies are merely a round about mechanism for rigged prices based upon how the PREVIOUS years income tax return was filed?

What happens when incomes rise and fall, when people lose their jobs?

It&#039;s a hairball.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Socialized medicine &#8212; European style &#8212; always cuts off such expensive &#8212; and ultimately futile &#8212; medical interventions.</p>
<p>This is buried in the back pages of regulations and budgets.</p>
<p>Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel has pushed this forward as THE way to square up the national medical budget &#8212; going back years and years.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a difficult calculus, for such massive expenditures DO task the medical community. </p>
<p>When a patient is limited to their own resources, it&#8217;s impossible to shift the economic burden to the larger society.</p>
<p>We no longer abide by that restriction. Via the intermediation of insurance companies, it&#8217;s not uncommon for cancer patients to run up staggering bills even as the prospect of cure drives to zero.</p>
<p>This tendency is enabled to the limit with complete socialization of medical provision. </p>
<p>And in every nation, in one guise or another, death panels are empowered to play God &#8212; and jerk the plug.</p>
<p>While, at first, the process is pitched as being required for the financial viability, nay stability, of the system &#8212; without a doubt it progresses down from the extremes to the banal.</p>
<p>In too short a time, just being bedridden is cause enough to pull your plug. This has already been exposed in Britain. The administrators were being given kickbacks for terminating grandma! They did so by the tens of thousands per month!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking about elderly patients that were merely bedridden. The challenges of drinking fluids and bed pans were too much for the State.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine how America could not fail to fall into the same moral rut once the corrosive effects of 0-care cut deep.</p>
<p>Lest we forget, socialized medicine does not allow torts. The State shall not be sued. </p>
<p>0-care is a travesty of privacy, of coercive power, of crony capitalism, of cynical politics.</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t be made to run on time &#8212; i.e. by years end.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s chasing away the physicians. It&#8217;s a moral insult to their profession.</p>
<p>And, no one can explain to me where all of the additional premia are going to. It would seem that we are expected to sign up for policies that actually can&#8217;t pay out; that our destiny is to queue up forever. &#8212; The latter THE common trait across all socialized medical schemes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think even the insurance industry can correctly price these new policies. Just too many variables are in extreme flux. </p>
<p>The President constantly pitches subsidies &#8212; but where exactly is THAT money coming from?</p>
<p>Am I to believe that the insurance industry is now a branch of the IRS &#8212; collecting funds that get shunted over so that some taxpayers get subsidies?</p>
<p>It all smacks of un-Constitutionality. </p>
<p>Is the IRS being used to collect insurance premia?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a hairball.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not seen anyone address this bizarro mechanism.</p>
<p>Is it the case that the subsidies are merely a round about mechanism for rigged prices based upon how the PREVIOUS years income tax return was filed?</p>
<p>What happens when incomes rise and fall, when people lose their jobs?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a hairball.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don Carlos:

Thanks, I will fix.  Careless error of mine.

I actually knew someone who had gallbladder cancer and died of it in the 1990s (although he survived for many more years than expected). I remember at the time hearing how rare his case was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Carlos:</p>
<p>Thanks, I will fix.  Careless error of mine.</p>
<p>I actually knew someone who had gallbladder cancer and died of it in the 1990s (although he survived for many more years than expected). I remember at the time hearing how rare his case was.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/11/04/oh-those-greedy-grasping-insurance-companies/#comment-687354</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The great and damning sin in Edie&#039;s story is often glossed over.

One of the problems with the current (or should I say former) health insurance industry is the govt meddling which prohibited inter-state sales of policies.  Now, not only has Obamacare &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; solved that problem, but it has exacerbated it by making health insurance a county-by-county fiefdom.  I read a story about a Philadelphia-area couple who can no longer use the doctors with whom they have a decades-long relationship because their physicians are in Delaware (a double Obamacare sin, out of county AND out of state).

&quot;In theory there&#039;s no difference between theory and practice.  In practice . . . .&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great and damning sin in Edie&#8217;s story is often glossed over.</p>
<p>One of the problems with the current (or should I say former) health insurance industry is the govt meddling which prohibited inter-state sales of policies.  Now, not only has Obamacare <i>not</i> solved that problem, but it has exacerbated it by making health insurance a county-by-county fiefdom.  I read a story about a Philadelphia-area couple who can no longer use the doctors with whom they have a decades-long relationship because their physicians are in Delaware (a double Obamacare sin, out of county AND out of state).</p>
<p>&#8220;In theory there&#8217;s no difference between theory and practice.  In practice . . . .&#8221;</p>
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		By: kit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Be careful Michael Kaiser, you, too, could get cancer and  if you do, you will beg  that someone with more humanity than yourself makes the decision of what your mean,  small life is worth in dollars and cents. If we judge by kindness, you are already a dead man.
Edie bought her policy and paid her premiums. She deserves good care. My heart goes out to her.

Let obama, his &quot;wife&quot; and their offspring be forced to sign up for these exchanges. He exemped himself because he knows it is a lousy trap meant to ensnare us in a totalitarian scheme.

 We are the little people that he despises. I have learned from this forum that communists come in two flavors, those who want power over us and all our hard earned money and those who live in la la land and  think that communism is for the common good. Obama is definitely the kind that wants power over us, our money and endless luxuries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be careful Michael Kaiser, you, too, could get cancer and  if you do, you will beg  that someone with more humanity than yourself makes the decision of what your mean,  small life is worth in dollars and cents. If we judge by kindness, you are already a dead man.<br />
Edie bought her policy and paid her premiums. She deserves good care. My heart goes out to her.</p>
<p>Let obama, his &#8220;wife&#8221; and their offspring be forced to sign up for these exchanges. He exemped himself because he knows it is a lousy trap meant to ensnare us in a totalitarian scheme.</p>
<p> We are the little people that he despises. I have learned from this forum that communists come in two flavors, those who want power over us and all our hard earned money and those who live in la la land and  think that communism is for the common good. Obama is definitely the kind that wants power over us, our money and endless luxuries.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Carlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a tiny glitch ( a now PC-approved word!) in Neo&#039;s article. The Patient had Stage IV GALLBLADDER cancer, not BLADDER cancer. Both are extremely bad, extremely advanced in their respective Stage 4s, and statistically quite lethal, with a great deal of suffering, like being on the rack.
Of the two, Gallbladder cancer is far more rare, directly invades things that make us work (liver, upper small bowel) and is harder to treat, even palliatively.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a tiny glitch ( a now PC-approved word!) in Neo&#8217;s article. The Patient had Stage IV GALLBLADDER cancer, not BLADDER cancer. Both are extremely bad, extremely advanced in their respective Stage 4s, and statistically quite lethal, with a great deal of suffering, like being on the rack.<br />
Of the two, Gallbladder cancer is far more rare, directly invades things that make us work (liver, upper small bowel) and is harder to treat, even palliatively.</p>
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		By: Lizzy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;So, maybe the next step would be mandatory euthanasia at a certain age so that old folks don’t continue to take up space and resources. How about it?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

UK&#039;s NHS already has that: Liverpool Care Pathway. The doctors don&#039;t even have to consult or inform you or your family. Apparently NHS even set up an incentive program (cash rewards) in order to get  hospitals to meet or exceed LCP quotas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;So, maybe the next step would be mandatory euthanasia at a certain age so that old folks don’t continue to take up space and resources. How about it?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>UK&#8217;s NHS already has that: Liverpool Care Pathway. The doctors don&#8217;t even have to consult or inform you or your family. Apparently NHS even set up an incentive program (cash rewards) in order to get  hospitals to meet or exceed LCP quotas.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If 2014 doesn&#039;t turn out well, I&#039;m afraid the response will be widespread tax-dodging ala Greece.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If 2014 doesn&#8217;t turn out well, I&#8217;m afraid the response will be widespread tax-dodging ala Greece.</p>
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