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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-671483</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t really matter. Whether you accidentally nuke a village or do it on purpose, the sin and blood doesn&#039;t go away. They may wish for it to go away, but it doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t really matter. Whether you accidentally nuke a village or do it on purpose, the sin and blood doesn&#8217;t go away. They may wish for it to go away, but it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-670645</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Richard Aubrey
&lt;b&gt;The dems understand that losing the postwar phase is vital to losing the war.&lt;/b&gt;
Though there are some ultra-hardcore lefties that want this, I think there are vastly more &quot;normal&quot; (ha) lefties that are victims of magical thinking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Richard Aubrey<br />
<b>The dems understand that losing the postwar phase is vital to losing the war.</b><br />
Though there are some ultra-hardcore lefties that want this, I think there are vastly more &#8220;normal&#8221; (ha) lefties that are victims of magical thinking.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-670561</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The dems understand that losing the postwar phase is vital to losing the war.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dems understand that losing the postwar phase is vital to losing the war.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-670270</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2013 03:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;That needed to be done regardless of outcome&lt;/b&gt;

The outcome is that the people responsible for Lockerbie Were Put In Power.

Do you see the irony or do you not care?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That needed to be done regardless of outcome</b></p>
<p>The outcome is that the people responsible for Lockerbie Were Put In Power.</p>
<p>Do you see the irony or do you not care?</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-670193</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2013 00:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mark in Portland

I guess our difference is in political philosophy.
I&#039;m 90% Realpolitik/10% idealism. That means I&#039;m willing to do something to &quot;make a statement&quot; once in a while, but generally I support actions that advance the American agenda...even if that means supporting a dictator to keep the jihadis at bay.
It also means conveniently &quot;forgetting&quot; about previous transgressions sometimes. This part is absolutely necessary when dealing with regions that have a long history of violence. Without that ability there would never be any movement in the Palestinian question, and the IRA thing would never have been resolved.
So yeah, that would be letting Quadaffi get away with murder. 
I can live with that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark in Portland</p>
<p>I guess our difference is in political philosophy.<br />
I&#8217;m 90% Realpolitik/10% idealism. That means I&#8217;m willing to do something to &#8220;make a statement&#8221; once in a while, but generally I support actions that advance the American agenda&#8230;even if that means supporting a dictator to keep the jihadis at bay.<br />
It also means conveniently &#8220;forgetting&#8221; about previous transgressions sometimes. This part is absolutely necessary when dealing with regions that have a long history of violence. Without that ability there would never be any movement in the Palestinian question, and the IRA thing would never have been resolved.<br />
So yeah, that would be letting Quadaffi get away with murder.<br />
I can live with that.</p>
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		By: OlderandWheezier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-670080</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 21:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Then who is responsible for the deaths of four Americans who most likely would not have been killed a year ago, had Qaddafi remained in power?  

We can debate about direct or indirect responsibility, but Qadaffi&#039;s removal from power clearly made Americans less safe in Libya, and may well be making them less safe throughout the world - including in our own country.

Will Hillary pull out the same old &quot;what difference at this point does it make?&quot; meme if American lives are lost down the road as a result of terrorist activities by AQ or other groups that are now gaining a foothold in Libya?  She certainly didn&#039;t waste the opportunity to brag about Qadaffi&#039;s death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then who is responsible for the deaths of four Americans who most likely would not have been killed a year ago, had Qaddafi remained in power?  </p>
<p>We can debate about direct or indirect responsibility, but Qadaffi&#8217;s removal from power clearly made Americans less safe in Libya, and may well be making them less safe throughout the world &#8211; including in our own country.</p>
<p>Will Hillary pull out the same old &#8220;what difference at this point does it make?&#8221; meme if American lives are lost down the road as a result of terrorist activities by AQ or other groups that are now gaining a foothold in Libya?  She certainly didn&#8217;t waste the opportunity to brag about Qadaffi&#8217;s death.</p>
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		By: Mark in Portland		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-670049</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Matt_SE

Mubarak didn&#039;t have American blood on his hands (neither does Assad, explicitly anyway, for that matter).

&quot;prepare accordingly for it&quot; means assume that Libya will descend into chaos and brace for it rather than assume a magical transformation into a peaceful democracy.  Qaddafi killed hundreds of Americans.  He deserved the death penalty.  He got it.  Libya suffers the consequences.  So be it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt_SE</p>
<p>Mubarak didn&#8217;t have American blood on his hands (neither does Assad, explicitly anyway, for that matter).</p>
<p>&#8220;prepare accordingly for it&#8221; means assume that Libya will descend into chaos and brace for it rather than assume a magical transformation into a peaceful democracy.  Qaddafi killed hundreds of Americans.  He deserved the death penalty.  He got it.  Libya suffers the consequences.  So be it.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-670001</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 19:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Mark in Portland

I&#039;d love for there to be justice in the world, too. But reality often doesn&#039;t give you easy choices.
Qaddafi was responsible for Lockerbie, that&#039;s a fact. But after the Iraq invasion (coincidental timing, no?), he gave up his chemical weapons and looked to be cooling his trouble-making. He was keeping a lid on the jihadis...he said that right before we deposed him, but nobody was listening.
Almost the same arguments could be made regarding Mubarak. We know how that turned out.

In both situations, it seems as if the only thing keeping down ruthless killers were other (slightly less?) ruthless killers. Unless the US were willing to use the same tactics, how could we &quot;prepare accordingly for it?&quot;
I&#039;m skeptical of our ability to shape events in the Middle East while still retaining the moral high ground.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark in Portland</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love for there to be justice in the world, too. But reality often doesn&#8217;t give you easy choices.<br />
Qaddafi was responsible for Lockerbie, that&#8217;s a fact. But after the Iraq invasion (coincidental timing, no?), he gave up his chemical weapons and looked to be cooling his trouble-making. He was keeping a lid on the jihadis&#8230;he said that right before we deposed him, but nobody was listening.<br />
Almost the same arguments could be made regarding Mubarak. We know how that turned out.</p>
<p>In both situations, it seems as if the only thing keeping down ruthless killers were other (slightly less?) ruthless killers. Unless the US were willing to use the same tactics, how could we &#8220;prepare accordingly for it?&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m skeptical of our ability to shape events in the Middle East while still retaining the moral high ground.</p>
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		By: OlderandWheezier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-669975</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent posts, Eric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent posts, Eric.</p>
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		By: Mark in Portland		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/10/10/libyan/#comment-669947</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is one, THE one, action where I do support Obama.  Qaddafi needed to be overthrown since the Lockerbie incident.  That needed to be done regardless of outcome.

Obama and his admiinstration are totally at fault for not understanding what overthrowing him would mean and preparing accordingly for it, but Qaddafi deserved death for Lockerbie and the Berlin bombing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one, THE one, action where I do support Obama.  Qaddafi needed to be overthrown since the Lockerbie incident.  That needed to be done regardless of outcome.</p>
<p>Obama and his admiinstration are totally at fault for not understanding what overthrowing him would mean and preparing accordingly for it, but Qaddafi deserved death for Lockerbie and the Berlin bombing.</p>
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