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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;In that case, with the system just having collapsed, what outcry will there be to turn over even more control to government? How could anyone seriously make that case?&lt;/b&gt;

They can and they will. You may not understand why, but there&#039;s plenty of research and reasons for why.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>In that case, with the system just having collapsed, what outcry will there be to turn over even more control to government? How could anyone seriously make that case?</b></p>
<p>They can and they will. You may not understand why, but there&#8217;s plenty of research and reasons for why.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 02:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The best laid plans of mice and men...&quot;
A story of hubris coupled with incompetence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The best laid plans of mice and men&#8230;&#8221;<br />
A story of hubris coupled with incompetence.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 00:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matt_SE:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/10/sen-harry-reid-obamacare-absolutely-a-step-toward-a-single-payer-system/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Harry Reid explicitly described&lt;/a&gt; single payer as the goal, and explained:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Reid said he thinks the country has to “work our way past” insurance-based health care during a Friday night appearance on Vegas PBS’ program “Nevada Week in Review.”

    “What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever,” Reid said.

    When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

...&quot;We had a real good run at the public option … don’t think we didn’t have a tremendous number of people who wanted a single-payer system,” Reid said on the PBS program, recalling how then-Sen. Joe Lieberman’s opposition to the idea of a public option made them abandon the notion and start from scratch.

Eventually, Reid decided the public option was unworkable.

“We had to get a majority of votes,” Reid said. “In fact, we had to get a little extra in the Senate, we have to get 60.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Read the whole thing.  The gist of it is that they passed what they could when they could to get their feet in the door.  And that there would be problems, and ultimately people would accept single payer to deal with the problems.  I don&#039;t think an epic fail of Obamacare was factored into it, exactly.  Smaller failures were expected to push the thing along to single payer.

Obama said in 2008:

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And &lt;a href=&quot;http://medcitynews.com/2013/07/the-employer-mandate-delay-a-path-to-a-single-payer-system/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a lot of background on it&lt;/a&gt; as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt_SE:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/10/sen-harry-reid-obamacare-absolutely-a-step-toward-a-single-payer-system/" rel="nofollow">Harry Reid explicitly described</a> single payer as the goal, and explained:</p>
<blockquote><p>Reid said he thinks the country has to “work our way past” insurance-based health care during a Friday night appearance on Vegas PBS’ program “Nevada Week in Review.”</p>
<p>    “What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever,” Reid said.</p>
<p>    When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8221;We had a real good run at the public option … don’t think we didn’t have a tremendous number of people who wanted a single-payer system,” Reid said on the PBS program, recalling how then-Sen. Joe Lieberman’s opposition to the idea of a public option made them abandon the notion and start from scratch.</p>
<p>Eventually, Reid decided the public option was unworkable.</p>
<p>“We had to get a majority of votes,” Reid said. “In fact, we had to get a little extra in the Senate, we have to get 60.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the whole thing.  The gist of it is that they passed what they could when they could to get their feet in the door.  And that there would be problems, and ultimately people would accept single payer to deal with the problems.  I don&#8217;t think an epic fail of Obamacare was factored into it, exactly.  Smaller failures were expected to push the thing along to single payer.</p>
<p>Obama said in 2008:</p>
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<p>And <a href="http://medcitynews.com/2013/07/the-employer-mandate-delay-a-path-to-a-single-payer-system/" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a lot of background on it</a> as well.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 23:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a bit of a problem with this &quot;plan&quot; to get to single-payer. Sure, that&#039;s what Obama wants...but how?
Step 2 HAS TO FAIL in order to justify trashing it and going for single-payer. Obama is so invested in his &quot;signature legislation&quot; that the failure would have to be massive to be believable.
In that case, with the system just having collapsed, what outcry will there be to turn over even more control to government? How could anyone seriously make that case?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a bit of a problem with this &#8220;plan&#8221; to get to single-payer. Sure, that&#8217;s what Obama wants&#8230;but how?<br />
Step 2 HAS TO FAIL in order to justify trashing it and going for single-payer. Obama is so invested in his &#8220;signature legislation&#8221; that the failure would have to be massive to be believable.<br />
In that case, with the system just having collapsed, what outcry will there be to turn over even more control to government? How could anyone seriously make that case?</p>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 18:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just heard a sound bite on Rush of Wolf Blitzer talking with someone who&#039;d told him the WH knew it wouldn&#039;t work when they rolled it out.  Wolf said they shoulda listened to the Repubs and delayed it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just heard a sound bite on Rush of Wolf Blitzer talking with someone who&#8217;d told him the WH knew it wouldn&#8217;t work when they rolled it out.  Wolf said they shoulda listened to the Repubs and delayed it.</p>
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		By: Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 15:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

Our best hope now is that more people see the truth before it is too late - that the &quot;government&quot; can&#039;t run things and will make it worse.

If Obama gets over that hurdle before the people bolt, he&#039;s won.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>Our best hope now is that more people see the truth before it is too late &#8211; that the &#8220;government&#8221; can&#8217;t run things and will make it worse.</p>
<p>If Obama gets over that hurdle before the people bolt, he&#8217;s won.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 14:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That website is not just any website. It&#039;s much more difficult than people realize, what they are trying to do.

Basically, they are recreating facebook portfolios that detail every private information about a person, feeds it directly into the government bureaucracy, and allows the bureaucrats to privately, selectively, or generally administer to the subjects.

It&#039;s technically a High Value Target intel profile hit list, plus a button for each target with a bunch of different options next to it on how it can be taken out. Push the button and all the action teams are mobilized automatically.

Even without the government bureaucracy corrupting things, it would still be immensely more difficult than some regular old propaganda campaign for votes, dead or alive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That website is not just any website. It&#8217;s much more difficult than people realize, what they are trying to do.</p>
<p>Basically, they are recreating facebook portfolios that detail every private information about a person, feeds it directly into the government bureaucracy, and allows the bureaucrats to privately, selectively, or generally administer to the subjects.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s technically a High Value Target intel profile hit list, plus a button for each target with a bunch of different options next to it on how it can be taken out. Push the button and all the action teams are mobilized automatically.</p>
<p>Even without the government bureaucracy corrupting things, it would still be immensely more difficult than some regular old propaganda campaign for votes, dead or alive.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 12:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike:

I agree that the goal is single payer.  

I wonder, though, if the confusion on the website is deliberate.  I don&#039;t think so, because those are &quot;optics&quot; the MSM might not be able to control, if enough people have direct and personal experience of major frustration and decide the government isn&#039;t competent to run things.  That perception could be dangerous in general to Obama&#039;s mission.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>I agree that the goal is single payer.  </p>
<p>I wonder, though, if the confusion on the website is deliberate.  I don&#8217;t think so, because those are &#8220;optics&#8221; the MSM might not be able to control, if enough people have direct and personal experience of major frustration and decide the government isn&#8217;t competent to run things.  That perception could be dangerous in general to Obama&#8217;s mission.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 12:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike,

I agree with that. In fact, I&#039;ve heard that from Obamacare proponents who&#039;ve acknowledged the problems, haste, and all the criticisms but still support the ACA because it moves the chains toward a single-payer system. The 1st step was to destroy the status quo. The 2nd step&#039;s purpose is not a solution but rather to set up the 3rd step.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>I agree with that. In fact, I&#8217;ve heard that from Obamacare proponents who&#8217;ve acknowledged the problems, haste, and all the criticisms but still support the ACA because it moves the chains toward a single-payer system. The 1st step was to destroy the status quo. The 2nd step&#8217;s purpose is not a solution but rather to set up the 3rd step.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2013 12:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy Lofquist:

Interesting.

I&#039;m thinking back to a time before we had computers for most things, a time I remember well.  We had insurance, welfare, the IRS, all sorts of complex things functioned without them.  Could the exchanges be run without computer signup?  Would it require way too many people?  Or would it negate part of the purpose, to keep easy tabs on us all?

I had a summer job with a major insurance company when I was in college.  I was hired with some other students for the task of coding a bunch of their policies (small groups) for computer entry, which was just starting.  It was very tedious work.  I remember that, till then, each file was an actual folder containing many pages of the history of the policy for that company and the relevant facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Lofquist:</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking back to a time before we had computers for most things, a time I remember well.  We had insurance, welfare, the IRS, all sorts of complex things functioned without them.  Could the exchanges be run without computer signup?  Would it require way too many people?  Or would it negate part of the purpose, to keep easy tabs on us all?</p>
<p>I had a summer job with a major insurance company when I was in college.  I was hired with some other students for the task of coding a bunch of their policies (small groups) for computer entry, which was just starting.  It was very tedious work.  I remember that, till then, each file was an actual folder containing many pages of the history of the policy for that company and the relevant facts.</p>
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