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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-658239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2013 23:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The police are downgrading reports and basically not putting on record crimes which involved minorities.

Makes their city look better.

So assume the stats have already been tinkered with, by somebody.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police are downgrading reports and basically not putting on record crimes which involved minorities.</p>
<p>Makes their city look better.</p>
<p>So assume the stats have already been tinkered with, by somebody.</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, "'Faeces Evenio', Mr. Holder?"		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-658074</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, "'Faeces Evenio', Mr. Holder?"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2013 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;Given that about 19,000 victims die in any given year from gun violence &lt;/i&gt;

Where are you getting that stat from, T? It&#039;s WAY off.

Weapons......2007.....2008.....2009......2010......2011
Total.........14,916...14,224..13,752...13,164...12,664
Firearms:..10,129.....9,528....9,199.....8,874....8,583

That&#039;s from the FBI:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>Given that about 19,000 victims die in any given year from gun violence </i></p>
<p>Where are you getting that stat from, T? It&#8217;s WAY off.</p>
<p>Weapons&#8230;&#8230;2007&#8230;..2008&#8230;..2009&#8230;&#8230;2010&#8230;&#8230;2011<br />
Total&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;14,916&#8230;14,224..13,752&#8230;13,164&#8230;12,664<br />
Firearms:..10,129&#8230;..9,528&#8230;.9,199&#8230;..8,874&#8230;.8,583</p>
<p>That&#8217;s from the FBI:<br />
<a href="http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8</a></p>
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		By: Doom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-657448</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 07:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t see a similar link, so I&#039;ll add this one.  Saw your post but... just now ran across something, quite by accident, at The Jawa Report, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nine shootings averted/ended by other people with guns&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t see a similar link, so I&#8217;ll add this one.  Saw your post but&#8230; just now ran across something, quite by accident, at The Jawa Report, <a href="http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit" rel="nofollow">nine shootings averted/ended by other people with guns</a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-657369</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 01:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Florida SWAT has actually broken into the wrong house address at times and been shot for it. The inhabitant is now in legal death for murdering a police officer.

For all of Florida&#039;s security protections against prosecution of self defense via firearms, the Left still exists there as a power.

http://raleightelegram.com/201207172200

&lt;b&gt;FLORIDA — According to local media in the area, an innocent man is dead after Sheriff’s deputies in Lake County, Florida got the wrong address in pursuit of a murder suspect, barged into a man’s house at 1:30am, and shot him in his own house even though they did not announce they were the police.

TV station WESH reported today that Andrew Lee Scott, age 26, was killed when sheriff’s deputies mistakenly went to his house late at night, mistakenly thinking that they had the address of a murder suspect instead.  The murder suspect had parked his motorcycle in a parking space in a parking lot front of Scott’s apartment building and although deputies did not see him go in that particular unit, they assumed that Scott’s apartment was the suspect’s home.

When deputies entered the home, they said that Scott had a gun held in his hands, possibly for his own defense to ward off an unannounced intruder at such a late hour.  Scott did not shoot at the deputies, but they shot and killed him as they entered the home.&lt;/b&gt;

There&#039;s a reason the Left supports guns only for police...

So if people bust in your home, always be careful who you point your guns at. Because aristocrats won&#039;t tolerate such in their house.

It ain&#039;t your house any more. To win against the aristos, you have to live. Even if that means submission for a time.

Democrats like to report false charges so that their SWAT death squads barge in, and your Democrat neighbors know you got a gun so.... it&#039;s a convenient way to &quot;get rid of people&quot;.

The Democrat neighbor can say &quot;my hands are clean&quot;. The cops that busted down your can say &quot;my hands are clean, I&#039;m just following orders&quot;.

You... you&#039;re dead or in jail for life. That is their game. That is their joy. That is their desire. Know it well, for that is Your Enemy.

The Left has many operations nobody knows about. And the ones that do know, ain&#039;t talking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida SWAT has actually broken into the wrong house address at times and been shot for it. The inhabitant is now in legal death for murdering a police officer.</p>
<p>For all of Florida&#8217;s security protections against prosecution of self defense via firearms, the Left still exists there as a power.</p>
<p><a href="http://raleightelegram.com/201207172200" rel="nofollow ugc">http://raleightelegram.com/201207172200</a></p>
<p><b>FLORIDA — According to local media in the area, an innocent man is dead after Sheriff’s deputies in Lake County, Florida got the wrong address in pursuit of a murder suspect, barged into a man’s house at 1:30am, and shot him in his own house even though they did not announce they were the police.</p>
<p>TV station WESH reported today that Andrew Lee Scott, age 26, was killed when sheriff’s deputies mistakenly went to his house late at night, mistakenly thinking that they had the address of a murder suspect instead.  The murder suspect had parked his motorcycle in a parking space in a parking lot front of Scott’s apartment building and although deputies did not see him go in that particular unit, they assumed that Scott’s apartment was the suspect’s home.</p>
<p>When deputies entered the home, they said that Scott had a gun held in his hands, possibly for his own defense to ward off an unannounced intruder at such a late hour.  Scott did not shoot at the deputies, but they shot and killed him as they entered the home.</b></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason the Left supports guns only for police&#8230;</p>
<p>So if people bust in your home, always be careful who you point your guns at. Because aristocrats won&#8217;t tolerate such in their house.</p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t your house any more. To win against the aristos, you have to live. Even if that means submission for a time.</p>
<p>Democrats like to report false charges so that their SWAT death squads barge in, and your Democrat neighbors know you got a gun so&#8230;. it&#8217;s a convenient way to &#8220;get rid of people&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Democrat neighbor can say &#8220;my hands are clean&#8221;. The cops that busted down your can say &#8220;my hands are clean, I&#8217;m just following orders&#8221;.</p>
<p>You&#8230; you&#8217;re dead or in jail for life. That is their game. That is their joy. That is their desire. Know it well, for that is Your Enemy.</p>
<p>The Left has many operations nobody knows about. And the ones that do know, ain&#8217;t talking.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-657340</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like the &quot;official&quot; attitude here in Florida. Carry a pistol in your car and or get a concealed carry permit. IF some thug tries to break into your house: SHOOT Him. Baa-Daa-Bing. Like Dat.

Back in the Peoples Republic of California, from which I&#039;m a refugee, NONE of the above was encouraged. I carried a pistol in my car for 15-yrs,
figuring that the misdemeanor was worth it if I needed to use it quickly. (-:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the &#8220;official&#8221; attitude here in Florida. Carry a pistol in your car and or get a concealed carry permit. IF some thug tries to break into your house: SHOOT Him. Baa-Daa-Bing. Like Dat.</p>
<p>Back in the Peoples Republic of California, from which I&#8217;m a refugee, NONE of the above was encouraged. I carried a pistol in my car for 15-yrs,<br />
figuring that the misdemeanor was worth it if I needed to use it quickly. (-:</p>
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		By: John Dough		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-657332</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Dough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll give up my guns when they pull the lead from your cold dead body after you tried to fatally injury me or any member of my family....maybe]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll give up my guns when they pull the lead from your cold dead body after you tried to fatally injury me or any member of my family&#8230;.maybe</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, "'Faeces Evenio', Mr. Holder?"		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-657297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, "'Faeces Evenio', Mr. Holder?"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sort of off topic, but peripherally related.

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=5063

Links to the board of trustees. 
http://trustees.msu.edu/about/index.html
Write them each a nastygram demanding this professor be terminated for willful discrimination and abusive mistreatment of the student body.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of off topic, but peripherally related.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=5063" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=5063</a></p>
<p>Links to the board of trustees.<br />
<a href="http://trustees.msu.edu/about/index.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://trustees.msu.edu/about/index.html</a><br />
Write them each a nastygram demanding this professor be terminated for willful discrimination and abusive mistreatment of the student body.</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, "'Faeces Evenio', Mr. Holder?"		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-657293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, "'Faeces Evenio', Mr. Holder?"]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1240501_10151940009997518_1908589468_n.jpg

LOL. Remember this when you hear the assholes screaming again for more gun control.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1240501_10151940009997518_1908589468_n.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1240501_10151940009997518_1908589468_n.jpg</a></p>
<p>LOL. Remember this when you hear the assholes screaming again for more gun control.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-657264</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mass shootings are the result in part, of melding two distinct and somewhat antithetical ideologies, or social plans: melding the ideology of inclusiveness on the one hand, to an ideology of political self-government (with a capital &quot;S&quot;) resting on a presumed individual moral competency (self-governance with a small &quot;s&quot;) on the other.

The observation of this dynamic is nothing new to anyone here. The regulars have said as much, or much to the same effect, dozens of times.

Call it what you want. Mainstreaming, sensitivity, lifting the stigma, rehabilitative integration, inclusivity, addressing human needs where they are found, celebrating differing abilities ... whatever, it is a secularized version of utter depravity and brokenness theology. Now, at the apex sits the  secular state as the motherly dispenser of grace and social indulgences, who must at the same time demand shared sacrifices from all of Her children. 

External political freedom plus destigmatized internal incompetency. Two incompatible views of human reality and life aspirations operating in the same political space.

The result is completely predictable.

What&#039;s to wonder about?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mass shootings are the result in part, of melding two distinct and somewhat antithetical ideologies, or social plans: melding the ideology of inclusiveness on the one hand, to an ideology of political self-government (with a capital &#8220;S&#8221;) resting on a presumed individual moral competency (self-governance with a small &#8220;s&#8221;) on the other.</p>
<p>The observation of this dynamic is nothing new to anyone here. The regulars have said as much, or much to the same effect, dozens of times.</p>
<p>Call it what you want. Mainstreaming, sensitivity, lifting the stigma, rehabilitative integration, inclusivity, addressing human needs where they are found, celebrating differing abilities &#8230; whatever, it is a secularized version of utter depravity and brokenness theology. Now, at the apex sits the  secular state as the motherly dispenser of grace and social indulgences, who must at the same time demand shared sacrifices from all of Her children. </p>
<p>External political freedom plus destigmatized internal incompetency. Two incompatible views of human reality and life aspirations operating in the same political space.</p>
<p>The result is completely predictable.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s to wonder about?</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/09/18/guns-saving-people/#comment-657251</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsaker,

&quot;When will people poke this hot fire rod sticker in the eye of the Left . . . ?&quot;

It was precisely this attitude that originally attracted me to Gingrich&#039;s presidential campaign.  It was an aggressive, unapologetic pre-&lt;i&gt;Duck Dynasty&lt;/i&gt; conservatism willing to redefine the political field of battle and make the left play on other terms.

Regardless of whether Gingrich would have been a good president or not, I firmly believe that such an aggressive approach is an essential first step to reclaiming the America of the Founding Fathers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsaker,</p>
<p>&#8220;When will people poke this hot fire rod sticker in the eye of the Left . . . ?&#8221;</p>
<p>It was precisely this attitude that originally attracted me to Gingrich&#8217;s presidential campaign.  It was an aggressive, unapologetic pre-<i>Duck Dynasty</i> conservatism willing to redefine the political field of battle and make the left play on other terms.</p>
<p>Regardless of whether Gingrich would have been a good president or not, I firmly believe that such an aggressive approach is an essential first step to reclaiming the America of the Founding Fathers.</p>
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