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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-647276</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 07:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left is already unleashing the dogs of war inside america. I can hear the screams even now from nameless, faceless, women, men, and children. Fodder for the Left&#039;s Religious conversion by fire.

All that remains is to make people realize who the real source of their problems are: who they should hate. Once that is done, all the rest will proceed naturally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left is already unleashing the dogs of war inside america. I can hear the screams even now from nameless, faceless, women, men, and children. Fodder for the Left&#8217;s Religious conversion by fire.</p>
<p>All that remains is to make people realize who the real source of their problems are: who they should hate. Once that is done, all the rest will proceed naturally.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-647033</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 01:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar,

The willingness, even eagerness, by many Americans - and not just fringe types - to abandon the Iraqi people to the terrorists was disappointing, to pick the mildest sentiment.

Then double that for the demonization of Bush for his unwillingness to abandon the Iraqi people to the terrorists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,</p>
<p>The willingness, even eagerness, by many Americans &#8211; and not just fringe types &#8211; to abandon the Iraqi people to the terrorists was disappointing, to pick the mildest sentiment.</p>
<p>Then double that for the demonization of Bush for his unwillingness to abandon the Iraqi people to the terrorists.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-646961</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 23:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most people will never understand what the people who once trusted America, felt or thought.

They will not understand until someone kills their own families in front of their eyes, show them the severed head and taunt them while broadcasting the sounds to the world.

People will never understand until brutality, ruthlessness, and violence is shoved in their faces, the boot is stomped on the back of their heads and the head sof their children.

Such is the nature of humanity, and why humans both love and hate various things.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people will never understand what the people who once trusted America, felt or thought.</p>
<p>They will not understand until someone kills their own families in front of their eyes, show them the severed head and taunt them while broadcasting the sounds to the world.</p>
<p>People will never understand until brutality, ruthlessness, and violence is shoved in their faces, the boot is stomped on the back of their heads and the head sof their children.</p>
<p>Such is the nature of humanity, and why humans both love and hate various things.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-646493</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bilwick: &quot;how statist old-style Dixie segregation was (it had to be forced not just on Blacks, but in many cases on Whites).&quot;

This is a good point that&#039;s not made enough and is worth exploring as a study of government and legal cures beyond the lens of discrimination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilwick: &#8220;how statist old-style Dixie segregation was (it had to be forced not just on Blacks, but in many cases on Whites).&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a good point that&#8217;s not made enough and is worth exploring as a study of government and legal cures beyond the lens of discrimination.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-645901</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Both Malcom X and MLKj were reported from surface/rumour analysis results, to be beginning to consider rebelling against their fellow civil rights activists. MLKj perhaps saw that Democrat, Johnson type, welfare was killing his black people in more ways than one. Malcom X had already started to break away from the Islamic Nation of Islam critters, before he conveniently died like Andrew Breitbart.

MLKj was eliminated in 1968. &quot;War on Poverty&quot; and healthcare reform was reported by wikipedia to be in 1964 for the Johnson regime. That&#039;s around 4 years for him to jump on the Democrat economic bandwagon, to support his political connections in DC, but also 4 years to realize what it was actually doing. Which is just enough in economic terms for things to be changed, one way or another. As we have seen under Obama and Reagan. 4 years is enough to sink or recover an economy of jobs for Americans.

Many people bought into Leftist economic theories but regretted it once they saw the results. Many of them are Republicans or independents now. Some were even active Leftist black ops or covert ops members, doing the things not even the regular Leftist leadership knew about.

Islam wasn&#039;t infiltrating the US starting before World Trade Center Bomb 1. It was far earlier than that. The Leftist alliance also has their fingers in things going back farther than people can imagine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Malcom X and MLKj were reported from surface/rumour analysis results, to be beginning to consider rebelling against their fellow civil rights activists. MLKj perhaps saw that Democrat, Johnson type, welfare was killing his black people in more ways than one. Malcom X had already started to break away from the Islamic Nation of Islam critters, before he conveniently died like Andrew Breitbart.</p>
<p>MLKj was eliminated in 1968. &#8220;War on Poverty&#8221; and healthcare reform was reported by wikipedia to be in 1964 for the Johnson regime. That&#8217;s around 4 years for him to jump on the Democrat economic bandwagon, to support his political connections in DC, but also 4 years to realize what it was actually doing. Which is just enough in economic terms for things to be changed, one way or another. As we have seen under Obama and Reagan. 4 years is enough to sink or recover an economy of jobs for Americans.</p>
<p>Many people bought into Leftist economic theories but regretted it once they saw the results. Many of them are Republicans or independents now. Some were even active Leftist black ops or covert ops members, doing the things not even the regular Leftist leadership knew about.</p>
<p>Islam wasn&#8217;t infiltrating the US starting before World Trade Center Bomb 1. It was far earlier than that. The Leftist alliance also has their fingers in things going back farther than people can imagine.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-645893</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My field of research doesn&#039;t cover MLKj&#039;s movement. If I had access to the FBI&#039;s classified and unclassified surveillance of MLKj under various hardhat ruthless FBI directors, that might be different. But neither the NSA nor the leaking public has yet to release that into the internet mainstream. If they have, it hasn&#039;t gotten to me yet.

I do suspect that MLKj and Malcom X were killed by Democrats, specifically Nation of Islam adherents, who wanted those figures out of the way for the Leftist alliance (communist, muslim, whatever) to take Black Power to where it is right now.

And it is... where it is right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My field of research doesn&#8217;t cover MLKj&#8217;s movement. If I had access to the FBI&#8217;s classified and unclassified surveillance of MLKj under various hardhat ruthless FBI directors, that might be different. But neither the NSA nor the leaking public has yet to release that into the internet mainstream. If they have, it hasn&#8217;t gotten to me yet.</p>
<p>I do suspect that MLKj and Malcom X were killed by Democrats, specifically Nation of Islam adherents, who wanted those figures out of the way for the Leftist alliance (communist, muslim, whatever) to take Black Power to where it is right now.</p>
<p>And it is&#8230; where it is right now.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-645884</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bilwick,

A and B are both true.

While MLK bundled them together in his mind, MLK&#039;s political rights activism is distinct from his economic rights activism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilwick,</p>
<p>A and B are both true.</p>
<p>While MLK bundled them together in his mind, MLK&#8217;s political rights activism is distinct from his economic rights activism.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-645881</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar,

Yep. The US for once, under Bush, actually made good on our word with Iraq, while following one of the most well-established law, policy, and precedent trails in our history . . . yet doing the right thing with Iraq was political poison.

In a recent interview, Bill Clinton said it was important to be SEEN to be doing something, but also not doing anything &quot;improvident&quot;, ie, actually acting to achieve an end was less important than the political calculation of the action. Leadership of want over leadership of need. Yet Obama doesn&#039;t have even Clinton&#039;s skill at faking a paper-tiger foreign policy.

When I served in Korea, I asked the KATUSAs in the unit what they wanted from us American GIs. They admitted they wanted us out of their country - the instant the north Korea problem was solved. But what concerned them the most was that if/when nK attacked, the US would abandon the ROK like we abandoned RVN.

Korean soldiers citing America&#039;s shameful abandonment of South Vietnam is especially poignant because remember, the ROKs manned up and fought with us in Vietnam. Not just rear-area support, either, but full-on combat missions. When the US abandoned Vietnam, we dishonored not only ourselves, but also the Korean KIAs in and commitment to Vietnam, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,</p>
<p>Yep. The US for once, under Bush, actually made good on our word with Iraq, while following one of the most well-established law, policy, and precedent trails in our history . . . yet doing the right thing with Iraq was political poison.</p>
<p>In a recent interview, Bill Clinton said it was important to be SEEN to be doing something, but also not doing anything &#8220;improvident&#8221;, ie, actually acting to achieve an end was less important than the political calculation of the action. Leadership of want over leadership of need. Yet Obama doesn&#8217;t have even Clinton&#8217;s skill at faking a paper-tiger foreign policy.</p>
<p>When I served in Korea, I asked the KATUSAs in the unit what they wanted from us American GIs. They admitted they wanted us out of their country &#8211; the instant the north Korea problem was solved. But what concerned them the most was that if/when nK attacked, the US would abandon the ROK like we abandoned RVN.</p>
<p>Korean soldiers citing America&#8217;s shameful abandonment of South Vietnam is especially poignant because remember, the ROKs manned up and fought with us in Vietnam. Not just rear-area support, either, but full-on combat missions. When the US abandoned Vietnam, we dishonored not only ourselves, but also the Korean KIAs in and commitment to Vietnam, too.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-645869</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;It’s a form of moral cowardice that imposes fixing the problem on all the rest of us, who are not part (or not much of) the issue.&lt;/b&gt;

I don&#039;t particularly see any reason for them to declare their rebellion. From their point of view, the majority of Americans will just let them hang if they rebelled openly.

Like Americans did with the Vietnamese. Like Americans did with Shia Iraqis in Desert Storm 1. Like Americans did with Obama in Iraq 2003.

From the point of view of those living under the totalitarian heel, when a bunch of Americans talk about &#039;you need to fight against your oppressors and rise up&#039;, the conclusion is obvious.

One of the reasons people dislike or hate Americans isn&#039;t due merely to anti American propaganda. They have a lot of historical and justified reasons to think of Americans as cowardly, weak, hypocrites who speak about justice and being the world&#039;s police/leader, but then throw everyone under the bus. It may surprise people that what they feel towards Obama, is merely a shadow of what many in the world feel about America itself. We&#039;re a democracy. Obviously we 99% support our leaders, from the pov of foreigners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It’s a form of moral cowardice that imposes fixing the problem on all the rest of us, who are not part (or not much of) the issue.</b></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly see any reason for them to declare their rebellion. From their point of view, the majority of Americans will just let them hang if they rebelled openly.</p>
<p>Like Americans did with the Vietnamese. Like Americans did with Shia Iraqis in Desert Storm 1. Like Americans did with Obama in Iraq 2003.</p>
<p>From the point of view of those living under the totalitarian heel, when a bunch of Americans talk about &#8216;you need to fight against your oppressors and rise up&#8217;, the conclusion is obvious.</p>
<p>One of the reasons people dislike or hate Americans isn&#8217;t due merely to anti American propaganda. They have a lot of historical and justified reasons to think of Americans as cowardly, weak, hypocrites who speak about justice and being the world&#8217;s police/leader, but then throw everyone under the bus. It may surprise people that what they feel towards Obama, is merely a shadow of what many in the world feel about America itself. We&#8217;re a democracy. Obviously we 99% support our leaders, from the pov of foreigners.</p>
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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/obama-martin-luther-king-and-warnings/#comment-645809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dennis: &quot;I used to live in Africa. I’ve seen how Africans treat each other.&quot;

Just so. Some years ago I read a book by a mountain climber who was seriously injured while climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro. He spent two months in hospital in Nairobi. His descriptions of the way the Kikuyu nurses purposely mistreated or even tortured patients who were from  other tribes was eye opening. I&#039;ve often thought of that whenever people speak of tribalism.  No clearer example of intolerance of the &quot;other&quot; can I think of.  Compared with many places on Earth we are quite well evolved. But we still have miles to go. 

IGotBupkis, &quot;Faeces Evenio&quot;, Mr. Holder? Says: 
&quot;It’s a form of moral cowardice that imposes fixing the problem on all the rest of us, who are not part (or not much of) the issue.&quot;  

Yes, it&#039;s too bad that many don&#039;t have the courage to take the fire. However, the blacks that I know recognize that,  if they speak up about the conditions that are dragging the blacks down, they will  be attacked by both their fellow blacks and the left, which they see as the majority. (Yes, we conservatives are still seen by many  to be a crazy minority.) We can talk about being courageous and taking the hate, but most people just want  to live their lives and be left alone. They represent a large part of the population, both black and white.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis: &#8220;I used to live in Africa. I’ve seen how Africans treat each other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just so. Some years ago I read a book by a mountain climber who was seriously injured while climbing Mt. Kilimanjaro. He spent two months in hospital in Nairobi. His descriptions of the way the Kikuyu nurses purposely mistreated or even tortured patients who were from  other tribes was eye opening. I&#8217;ve often thought of that whenever people speak of tribalism.  No clearer example of intolerance of the &#8220;other&#8221; can I think of.  Compared with many places on Earth we are quite well evolved. But we still have miles to go. </p>
<p>IGotBupkis, &#8220;Faeces Evenio&#8221;, Mr. Holder? Says:<br />
&#8220;It’s a form of moral cowardice that imposes fixing the problem on all the rest of us, who are not part (or not much of) the issue.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s too bad that many don&#8217;t have the courage to take the fire. However, the blacks that I know recognize that,  if they speak up about the conditions that are dragging the blacks down, they will  be attacked by both their fellow blacks and the left, which they see as the majority. (Yes, we conservatives are still seen by many  to be a crazy minority.) We can talk about being courageous and taking the hate, but most people just want  to live their lives and be left alone. They represent a large part of the population, both black and white.</p>
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