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	Comments on: Allan Bloom: on learning history and cultural relativism	</title>
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		By: The Man Who Saw Through Time: Pfc. Richard Edward Marks, USMC &#8212; May 31, 1946 (New York) &#8211; February 14, 1966 (Vietnam) &#8211; Excursions in Jewish Military History and Jewish Genealogy		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Allan Bloom: on learning history and cultural relativism (August 26, 2013) [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Allan Bloom: on learning history and cultural relativism (August 26, 2013) [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Warning about Presentism &#124; Insomniac memos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/allan-bloom-on-learning-history-and-cultural-relativism/#comment-653693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warning about Presentism &#124; Insomniac memos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 18:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] quotation from Allan Bloom on our poor historical sensitivity. It&#8217;s hard to break free from our present sensibilities (even from my mature sensibilities [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] quotation from Allan Bloom on our poor historical sensitivity. It&#8217;s hard to break free from our present sensibilities (even from my mature sensibilities [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Steve Skubinna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Skubinna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love reading history, kings and slaves and all.  It reinforces my belief that we&#039;re the same people who walked the planet a thousand or two years ago.  We just have different assumptions.

I think for the most part the assumptions are better - the fact that slavery, for example, is looked on with nearly universal revulsion is a prime example.  Two centuries ago it was widely accepted as an inevitable, even proper condition for some people.

Reading history also reinforces a solid belief of mine: we are one generation away from barbarism and savagery.  Children must be taught to be decent and honorable, it is not, Rousseau notwithstanding, the natural condition of mankind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love reading history, kings and slaves and all.  It reinforces my belief that we&#8217;re the same people who walked the planet a thousand or two years ago.  We just have different assumptions.</p>
<p>I think for the most part the assumptions are better &#8211; the fact that slavery, for example, is looked on with nearly universal revulsion is a prime example.  Two centuries ago it was widely accepted as an inevitable, even proper condition for some people.</p>
<p>Reading history also reinforces a solid belief of mine: we are one generation away from barbarism and savagery.  Children must be taught to be decent and honorable, it is not, Rousseau notwithstanding, the natural condition of mankind.</p>
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		By: David Metis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Metis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2013 05:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was honored to study under two of Bloom&#039;s classmates, themselves both students of Strauss. Bloom had the knack for giving the at-times esoteric and rareified critiques of modernity - and, eventually, post-modernity, whatever that is, or was, or will be - a certain immediacy. You needn&#039;t have steeped yourself in Heidegger to understand his point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was honored to study under two of Bloom&#8217;s classmates, themselves both students of Strauss. Bloom had the knack for giving the at-times esoteric and rareified critiques of modernity &#8211; and, eventually, post-modernity, whatever that is, or was, or will be &#8211; a certain immediacy. You needn&#8217;t have steeped yourself in Heidegger to understand his point.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/allan-bloom-on-learning-history-and-cultural-relativism/#comment-646720</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe that the world if likely far stranger than we would like to believe, and that there are all sorts of things roaming around &quot;out there&quot; in the darkness, outside of the circle of light provided by the comforting camp fire.

Looking at the evidence for UFO’s as being real, tangible objects, especially several of the well-documented sightings on or around U.S. and UK military installations, involving multiple trained observers as witnesses and simultaneous visual sightings and radar confirmations, and particularly in view of the strenuous efforts made by our government--starting with the 1947 Roswell incident (take a look at the wording and details comprising the initial official Army Air Force 1947 press release, and then look at the government generated dog and pony show--the “weather balloon” newspaper story the next day or two after–pictures included--that tried to “walk back” the original announcement, and what it had said) and spread out over the next several decades up until the present--to “debunk” UFO sightings, the idea that UFOs exist, and are of extraterrestrial origin,  I’d say there is something there.  

Moreover, the recent almost weekly discoveries adding to a lengthening list of close star systems that have planets, leading to some of the recently revised estimates that our galaxy contains perhaps millions of potentially habitable planets, makes the likelihood of extraterrestrial visitors a lot more plausible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that the world if likely far stranger than we would like to believe, and that there are all sorts of things roaming around &#8220;out there&#8221; in the darkness, outside of the circle of light provided by the comforting camp fire.</p>
<p>Looking at the evidence for UFO’s as being real, tangible objects, especially several of the well-documented sightings on or around U.S. and UK military installations, involving multiple trained observers as witnesses and simultaneous visual sightings and radar confirmations, and particularly in view of the strenuous efforts made by our government&#8211;starting with the 1947 Roswell incident (take a look at the wording and details comprising the initial official Army Air Force 1947 press release, and then look at the government generated dog and pony show&#8211;the “weather balloon” newspaper story the next day or two after–pictures included&#8211;that tried to “walk back” the original announcement, and what it had said) and spread out over the next several decades up until the present&#8211;to “debunk” UFO sightings, the idea that UFOs exist, and are of extraterrestrial origin,  I’d say there is something there.  </p>
<p>Moreover, the recent almost weekly discoveries adding to a lengthening list of close star systems that have planets, leading to some of the recently revised estimates that our galaxy contains perhaps millions of potentially habitable planets, makes the likelihood of extraterrestrial visitors a lot more plausible.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/allan-bloom-on-learning-history-and-cultural-relativism/#comment-646202</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 04:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Americans have some nostalgia for the past, but given the country was created from exiles and frontier conquerors, American patriotism is centered more around &quot;we can build whatever we need, anywhere&quot; vs European patriotism centered around standing on the ruins of the great civilizations and empires.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans have some nostalgia for the past, but given the country was created from exiles and frontier conquerors, American patriotism is centered more around &#8220;we can build whatever we need, anywhere&#8221; vs European patriotism centered around standing on the ruins of the great civilizations and empires.</p>
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		By: View From The UK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[View From The UK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an Englishman I view my past as vastly superior to my present, I only have to walk out of my door to reach that conclusion.

I would invite any American student who views our monarchs with disdain to join me on a weekend visit to our stately homes and castles that litter this land to give them a taste of a more glorious past.

Following a good tea and scones I&#039;d read them several jolly good passages from &quot;The Republic&quot; (Plato), take them to a Shakespeare play and put them on a plane home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Englishman I view my past as vastly superior to my present, I only have to walk out of my door to reach that conclusion.</p>
<p>I would invite any American student who views our monarchs with disdain to join me on a weekend visit to our stately homes and castles that litter this land to give them a taste of a more glorious past.</p>
<p>Following a good tea and scones I&#8217;d read them several jolly good passages from &#8220;The Republic&#8221; (Plato), take them to a Shakespeare play and put them on a plane home.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/26/allan-bloom-on-learning-history-and-cultural-relativism/#comment-645883</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;He came back with, “Oh sure, [M J R], ghosts and spooks, riiiight” (or something to *that* effect)&lt;/b&gt;

That reminds me that chi was named by the Ancient Chinese because they could never see it, only see what it did to things in the physical universe or feel it with their bodies.

This was very similar to Western perspectives on electricity and electro-magnetism. The last one was named a &quot;field force&quot; because all they could see was the consequence of the force, the wind, on a field of wheat. They couldn&#039;t see the wind or special force itself. So it was an invisible &quot;field&quot;. To most people, even the individual maverick scientists experimenting with this power, it might as well have been witchcraft and divine miracles. Something you cannot see, but can only feel and witness its consequences? Isn&#039;t that like a miracle.

Science masters eventually postulated that magick is merely a sufficiently advanced science that cannot be yet understood. Western civilization has benefited greatly from lone mavericks that researched subjects that previous civilizations might have considered magick or witchcraft. A decline automatically means that much of what was once science, will be turned into a religious dogma that nobody will understand fully.

Magick was originally any knowledge, ancient wisdom, or method that was forbidden by the ruling elites and society at large. It was forbidden primarily to keep it out of the reach of the common masses for one reason or another.

Going back far enough, even reading and writing was considered a forbidden magickal art.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>He came back with, “Oh sure, [M J R], ghosts and spooks, riiiight” (or something to *that* effect)</b></p>
<p>That reminds me that chi was named by the Ancient Chinese because they could never see it, only see what it did to things in the physical universe or feel it with their bodies.</p>
<p>This was very similar to Western perspectives on electricity and electro-magnetism. The last one was named a &#8220;field force&#8221; because all they could see was the consequence of the force, the wind, on a field of wheat. They couldn&#8217;t see the wind or special force itself. So it was an invisible &#8220;field&#8221;. To most people, even the individual maverick scientists experimenting with this power, it might as well have been witchcraft and divine miracles. Something you cannot see, but can only feel and witness its consequences? Isn&#8217;t that like a miracle.</p>
<p>Science masters eventually postulated that magick is merely a sufficiently advanced science that cannot be yet understood. Western civilization has benefited greatly from lone mavericks that researched subjects that previous civilizations might have considered magick or witchcraft. A decline automatically means that much of what was once science, will be turned into a religious dogma that nobody will understand fully.</p>
<p>Magick was originally any knowledge, ancient wisdom, or method that was forbidden by the ruling elites and society at large. It was forbidden primarily to keep it out of the reach of the common masses for one reason or another.</p>
<p>Going back far enough, even reading and writing was considered a forbidden magickal art.</p>
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		By: Yancey Ward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yancey Ward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am not sure quite what you call it, but I don&#039;t think &quot;presentism&quot; really fits.  We seem to have more ignorance of our ignorance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure quite what you call it, but I don&#8217;t think &#8220;presentism&#8221; really fits.  We seem to have more ignorance of our ignorance.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The first part of Clarke&#039;s &quot;Profiles of The Future&quot; is devoted to absolutely unqualified scientific assertions and others which have proven to be absurd.
Making absolutely unqualifed assertions is likely to end you up--presuming you&#039;re sufficiently prominent--in the next iteration of Clarke&#039;s work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first part of Clarke&#8217;s &#8220;Profiles of The Future&#8221; is devoted to absolutely unqualified scientific assertions and others which have proven to be absurd.<br />
Making absolutely unqualifed assertions is likely to end you up&#8211;presuming you&#8217;re sufficiently prominent&#8211;in the next iteration of Clarke&#8217;s work.</p>
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