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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/22/bradley-manning-wants-henceforth-to-be-known-as-chelsea-manning/#comment-644368</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, turning rapists and Islamic jihadists into women wouldn&#039;t be that bad of a sentence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, turning rapists and Islamic jihadists into women wouldn&#8217;t be that bad of a sentence.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/22/bradley-manning-wants-henceforth-to-be-known-as-chelsea-manning/#comment-644345</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Swiper:

I certainly don&#039;t see them as the same.  Bradley Manning&#039;s announcement, and especially the time of it considering his/her circumstances, is especially suspect.  And my focus is the idea that the government should be providing the treatment, and if they refuse they will be sued by Manning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swiper:</p>
<p>I certainly don&#8217;t see them as the same.  Bradley Manning&#8217;s announcement, and especially the time of it considering his/her circumstances, is especially suspect.  And my focus is the idea that the government should be providing the treatment, and if they refuse they will be sued by Manning.</p>
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		By: SwiperTheFox		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/22/bradley-manning-wants-henceforth-to-be-known-as-chelsea-manning/#comment-644340</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SwiperTheFox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 18:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something should be very clear here:

1) If someone that is a working individual with their own unique psychological issues decides to have therapy that involves hormones and possible surgery that he or she pays for himself or herself based on months and months of slow, deliberate, and rational counseling exploring all options-- making a free choice as a free individual to determine his or her own affairs-- then that&#039;s one thing.

2) If someone that is a criminal, having done something clearly illegal and pussy-foot-ed around that fact, adopts a transsexual identity as a sort of politically correct shield for his or her own behavior and then tries to force other people to pay for his or her desires... then that&#039;s another thing.

Let&#039;s not confuse these two people. They are as clear and different as oil is from water and night is from day. This is important.

It&#039;s frustrating as all f--king hell to see this treated as the same. Jeffrey Dahmer is not to be held up as someone that somehow is a lens to treat normal gay men with. The KKK is not to be held up as a lens with which to think of all Southerners by.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something should be very clear here:</p>
<p>1) If someone that is a working individual with their own unique psychological issues decides to have therapy that involves hormones and possible surgery that he or she pays for himself or herself based on months and months of slow, deliberate, and rational counseling exploring all options&#8211; making a free choice as a free individual to determine his or her own affairs&#8211; then that&#8217;s one thing.</p>
<p>2) If someone that is a criminal, having done something clearly illegal and pussy-foot-ed around that fact, adopts a transsexual identity as a sort of politically correct shield for his or her own behavior and then tries to force other people to pay for his or her desires&#8230; then that&#8217;s another thing.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not confuse these two people. They are as clear and different as oil is from water and night is from day. This is important.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s frustrating as all f&#8211;king hell to see this treated as the same. Jeffrey Dahmer is not to be held up as someone that somehow is a lens to treat normal gay men with. The KKK is not to be held up as a lens with which to think of all Southerners by.</p>
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		By: libertywolf		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/08/22/bradley-manning-wants-henceforth-to-be-known-as-chelsea-manning/#comment-644187</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[libertywolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 10:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I haven&#039;t written a word in m own political blog for awhile, and perhaps this is the occasion to do so. I have to say, I am not in the least happy to hear this announcement, and ah, while I heard rumors through the grapevine for some time that Manning was indeed going to claim to be transsexual, I did not want to even, think about it.  I am probably one of the few trans people I know, with this reaction, but there are a few of us trans people who are not keen on Manning, though we are certainly outnumbered by the left leaning bunch.    At any rate, that was a measured column neo, and I am refraining from the comments here!  Heh...  I am against what Bradley Manning did, and wish that she/he was NOT associated with us in the least.  I would normally say &quot;she&quot; in this case, but let * her * get there, and earn it.  In a few months, we shall see... if she/he continues in this direction.  I am embarrassed to hear that Manning is trans, what more can I say?  Well, possibly that this person is a mess psychologically and a worm and a traitor and frankly, tomorrow they may form another idea about who they are.  I don&#039;t entirely trust it.  At any rate, again, I just feel embarrassed.  DO not want to be associated in any way with such a person... 

Dang -- :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I haven&#8217;t written a word in m own political blog for awhile, and perhaps this is the occasion to do so. I have to say, I am not in the least happy to hear this announcement, and ah, while I heard rumors through the grapevine for some time that Manning was indeed going to claim to be transsexual, I did not want to even, think about it.  I am probably one of the few trans people I know, with this reaction, but there are a few of us trans people who are not keen on Manning, though we are certainly outnumbered by the left leaning bunch.    At any rate, that was a measured column neo, and I am refraining from the comments here!  Heh&#8230;  I am against what Bradley Manning did, and wish that she/he was NOT associated with us in the least.  I would normally say &#8220;she&#8221; in this case, but let * her * get there, and earn it.  In a few months, we shall see&#8230; if she/he continues in this direction.  I am embarrassed to hear that Manning is trans, what more can I say?  Well, possibly that this person is a mess psychologically and a worm and a traitor and frankly, tomorrow they may form another idea about who they are.  I don&#8217;t entirely trust it.  At any rate, again, I just feel embarrassed.  DO not want to be associated in any way with such a person&#8230; </p>
<p>Dang &#8212; 🙁</p>
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		By: Wm Lawrence		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wm Lawrence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2013 04:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not really interested in Pvt Mannings sex life or preferences. He/she/it needs to do his/her/it&#039;s time just like any other traitor. No priviledges, no unnecessary medical expenses and standard prison clothing.

I suspect he thinks sex reassignment will keep him away from Bubba and the boys. He should have thought of that before. Suck it up you whiny little b@stard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really interested in Pvt Mannings sex life or preferences. He/she/it needs to do his/her/it&#8217;s time just like any other traitor. No priviledges, no unnecessary medical expenses and standard prison clothing.</p>
<p>I suspect he thinks sex reassignment will keep him away from Bubba and the boys. He should have thought of that before. Suck it up you whiny little b@stard.</p>
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		By: Ron		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Question: If Manning gets his sex change operation, Can &quot;she&quot; be tried too?  Just sayin&#039; . . . or askin&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: If Manning gets his sex change operation, Can &#8220;she&#8221; be tried too?  Just sayin&#8217; . . . or askin&#8217;.</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Splitter!
Side note: This is just part of Brads/Breanna&#039;s/Chelsea&#039;s strategy to mitigate or vacate his sentence. One step is to apply for pardon from Obama.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Splitter!<br />
Side note: This is just part of Brads/Breanna&#8217;s/Chelsea&#8217;s strategy to mitigate or vacate his sentence. One step is to apply for pardon from Obama.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann: You beat me to it. Paul McHugh, Psychiatrist in Chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital, led the successful push for the hospital to ban the transsexual surgery. He said the surgeons were almost all hugely relieved -- it was very hard for them to amputate normal, perfectly functioning organs. Here&#039;s another bit:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Men (and until recently they were all men) with whom I spoke before their surgery would tell me that their bodies and sexual identities were at variance. Those I met after surgery would tell me that the surgery and hormone treatments that had made them “women” had also made them happy and contented. None of these encounters were persuasive, however. 

The post-surgical subjects struck me as caricatures of women. They wore high heels, copious makeup, and flamboyant clothing; they spoke about how they found themselves able to give vent to their natural inclinations for peace, domesticity, and gentleness– but their large hands, prominent Adam’s apples, and thick facial features were incongruous (and would become more so as they aged). 

Women psychiatrists whom I sent to talk with them would intuitively see through the disguise and the exaggerated postures. “Gals know gals,” one said to me, “and that’s a guy.”

The subjects before the surgery struck me as even more strange, as they struggled to convince anyone who might influence the decision for their surgery. First, they spent an unusual amount of time thinking and talking about sex and their sexual experiences; their sexual hungers and adventures seemed to preoccupy them. Second, discussion of babies or children provoked little interest from them; indeed, they seemed indifferent to children. 

But third, and most remarkable, many of these men-who-claimed-to-be-women reported that they found women sexually attractive and that they saw themselves as “lesbians.” When I noted to their champions that their psychological leanings seemed more like those of men than of women, I would get various replies, mostly to the effect that in making such judgments I was drawing on sexual stereotypes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He goes on to talk about how tragic it is that these people hate themselves and their bodies so much that they want to amputate crucial parts of their anatomy -- and how crazy it is that we accommodate them. (He spends some time on the case of the hermaphrodite infants, too, a special case.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann: You beat me to it. Paul McHugh, Psychiatrist in Chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital, led the successful push for the hospital to ban the transsexual surgery. He said the surgeons were almost all hugely relieved &#8212; it was very hard for them to amputate normal, perfectly functioning organs. Here&#8217;s another bit:</p>
<blockquote><p>Men (and until recently they were all men) with whom I spoke before their surgery would tell me that their bodies and sexual identities were at variance. Those I met after surgery would tell me that the surgery and hormone treatments that had made them “women” had also made them happy and contented. None of these encounters were persuasive, however. </p>
<p>The post-surgical subjects struck me as caricatures of women. They wore high heels, copious makeup, and flamboyant clothing; they spoke about how they found themselves able to give vent to their natural inclinations for peace, domesticity, and gentleness– but their large hands, prominent Adam’s apples, and thick facial features were incongruous (and would become more so as they aged). </p>
<p>Women psychiatrists whom I sent to talk with them would intuitively see through the disguise and the exaggerated postures. “Gals know gals,” one said to me, “and that’s a guy.”</p>
<p>The subjects before the surgery struck me as even more strange, as they struggled to convince anyone who might influence the decision for their surgery. First, they spent an unusual amount of time thinking and talking about sex and their sexual experiences; their sexual hungers and adventures seemed to preoccupy them. Second, discussion of babies or children provoked little interest from them; indeed, they seemed indifferent to children. </p>
<p>But third, and most remarkable, many of these men-who-claimed-to-be-women reported that they found women sexually attractive and that they saw themselves as “lesbians.” When I noted to their champions that their psychological leanings seemed more like those of men than of women, I would get various replies, mostly to the effect that in making such judgments I was drawing on sexual stereotypes.</p></blockquote>
<p>He goes on to talk about how tragic it is that these people hate themselves and their bodies so much that they want to amputate crucial parts of their anatomy &#8212; and how crazy it is that we accommodate them. (He spends some time on the case of the hermaphrodite infants, too, a special case.)</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This bundle of neuroses was given access to classified material and not supervised appropriately.
Somebody needs to pay for that.
Hell, make him a mechanic.  Company clerk.  Supply clerk.

Wonder if it was like Hasan; implied prejudice against sexual nutcases would look bad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bundle of neuroses was given access to classified material and not supervised appropriately.<br />
Somebody needs to pay for that.<br />
Hell, make him a mechanic.  Company clerk.  Supply clerk.</p>
<p>Wonder if it was like Hasan; implied prejudice against sexual nutcases would look bad.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This little POS is lucky they didn&#039;t try and convict him of treason, tie him to a post and ventilate him, and now he wants us taxpayers to pay for his sex change operation?  

Oh, Hell no!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This little POS is lucky they didn&#8217;t try and convict him of treason, tie him to a post and ventilate him, and now he wants us taxpayers to pay for his sex change operation?  </p>
<p>Oh, Hell no!</p>
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