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		By: à¸„à¸£à¸µà¸¡à¸«à¸™à¹‰à¸²à¹ƒà¸ª		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/07/27/bill-cosby-partly-right-partly-wrong-on-the-zimmermanmartin-case/#comment-773788</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2014 02:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have rewad so many posts concerning the blogger lovers except this 
article is trully a nice paragraph, kep iit up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have rewad so many posts concerning the blogger lovers except this<br />
article is trully a nice paragraph, kep iit up.</p>
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		By: bob r		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/07/27/bill-cosby-partly-right-partly-wrong-on-the-zimmermanmartin-case/#comment-634990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob r]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jul 2013 02:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jerry said:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;...  the far bigger issue is this — it is illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to purchase or be in unsupervised possession of a handgun. This has been Federal law since the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act ...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That is just not true. You have to be 21 or over to *purchase* a handgun from a licensed firearm dealer but *Federal* law does not prohibit *possession* by those under 21 -- supervised or otherwise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry said:<br />
<i>&#8220;&#8230;  the far bigger issue is this — it is illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to purchase or be in unsupervised possession of a handgun. This has been Federal law since the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act &#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That is just not true. You have to be 21 or over to *purchase* a handgun from a licensed firearm dealer but *Federal* law does not prohibit *possession* by those under 21 &#8212; supervised or otherwise.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/07/27/bill-cosby-partly-right-partly-wrong-on-the-zimmermanmartin-case/#comment-634792</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I heard the SEIU and TSA are always hiring ex peeps for Enforcement activities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard the SEIU and TSA are always hiring ex peeps for Enforcement activities.</p>
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		By: sharpie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sharpie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.mercurynews.com/san-jose-police/ci_18384442?nstrack=sid:6375457&#124;met:0000300&#124;cat:0&#124;order:23&#038;%2F%3Fsource=dailyme

More of this to come (police layoffs) as the welfare state cannot deliver on pensions, healthcare, and, regarding the current topic, security.

And Obama is pushing the minimum wage issue! I&#039;m sure that&#039;s impressing people in Chicago, especially the dead ones.]]></description>
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<p>More of this to come (police layoffs) as the welfare state cannot deliver on pensions, healthcare, and, regarding the current topic, security.</p>
<p>And Obama is pushing the minimum wage issue! I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s impressing people in Chicago, especially the dead ones.</p>
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		By: Mike O'Malley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike O'Malley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 10:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;There’s every indication that Zimmerman tried to do just that and did not “confront” Martin, but that “the bad stuff” came to get him anyway. And yet Cosby’s point of view and his state of ignorance on the case is mild compared to that of so many people who continue to opine about it. You know the drill: Zimmerman the racist; Zimmerman followed Martin; Zimmerman confronted Martin. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

On his very last bus trip, during his journey to Sanford days before, the young Mr. Martin had indeed attempted to acquire an illegal weapon.  

George Zimmerman&#039;s 911 calls and police video taping of his on the scene reconstruction of the events provide good contradicted evidence that the hooded Trayvon Martin passed by and observed George Zimmerman as he was seated in his vehicle on conducting a cellphone conversion with the 911 operator about Mr. Martin.  Martin stared at Zimmerman as he slowly passed by Zimmerman on the phone seated in the vehicle.  Martin had to have &lt;strike&gt;known&lt;/strike&gt; suspected that Zimmerman was on the phone and had called the police.  After Zimmerman exited his vehicle there is no evidence that Zimmerman &quot;showed&quot; Martin a gun.  Martin however with little doubt observed Zimmerman in possession of a cellphone.  I suspect that Martin overheard some of Zimmerman&#039;s conversation with Sanford&#039;s 911 operator.

Let&#039;s rework what Bill Cosby says to make it more realistic: - &#039;but we do know that he [Zimmerman] had a cellphone. And we do know that the Florida gangsta ethos says you don&#039;t call the cops, that means both people. So you have a cellphone and you call the cops on me and I don’t have a gun, but then I find you alone with your cellphone and not a cop in sight and I become angry and according to my gangsta culture social etiquette I have a right to defend myself ...&#039;-

Mr. Zimmerman&#039;s actual offense seems likely not to have been profiling and not to have been stalking but calling the police on 911.  Is this not precisely what Bill Cosby seems to suggest Zimmerman should have done?   Was Martin engaging in an act of street intimidation communicating in a forceful fashion if you call the cops you can expect a beating? 

Bill Cosby&#039;s observations don&#039;t take into account criminal intimidation of unarmed law abiding citizens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>There’s every indication that Zimmerman tried to do just that and did not “confront” Martin, but that “the bad stuff” came to get him anyway. And yet Cosby’s point of view and his state of ignorance on the case is mild compared to that of so many people who continue to opine about it. You know the drill: Zimmerman the racist; Zimmerman followed Martin; Zimmerman confronted Martin. </p></blockquote>
<p>On his very last bus trip, during his journey to Sanford days before, the young Mr. Martin had indeed attempted to acquire an illegal weapon.  </p>
<p>George Zimmerman&#8217;s 911 calls and police video taping of his on the scene reconstruction of the events provide good contradicted evidence that the hooded Trayvon Martin passed by and observed George Zimmerman as he was seated in his vehicle on conducting a cellphone conversion with the 911 operator about Mr. Martin.  Martin stared at Zimmerman as he slowly passed by Zimmerman on the phone seated in the vehicle.  Martin had to have <strike>known</strike> suspected that Zimmerman was on the phone and had called the police.  After Zimmerman exited his vehicle there is no evidence that Zimmerman &#8220;showed&#8221; Martin a gun.  Martin however with little doubt observed Zimmerman in possession of a cellphone.  I suspect that Martin overheard some of Zimmerman&#8217;s conversation with Sanford&#8217;s 911 operator.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s rework what Bill Cosby says to make it more realistic: &#8211; &#8216;but we do know that he [Zimmerman] had a cellphone. And we do know that the Florida gangsta ethos says you don&#8217;t call the cops, that means both people. So you have a cellphone and you call the cops on me and I don’t have a gun, but then I find you alone with your cellphone and not a cop in sight and I become angry and according to my gangsta culture social etiquette I have a right to defend myself &#8230;&#8217;-</p>
<p>Mr. Zimmerman&#8217;s actual offense seems likely not to have been profiling and not to have been stalking but calling the police on 911.  Is this not precisely what Bill Cosby seems to suggest Zimmerman should have done?   Was Martin engaging in an act of street intimidation communicating in a forceful fashion if you call the cops you can expect a beating? </p>
<p>Bill Cosby&#8217;s observations don&#8217;t take into account criminal intimidation of unarmed law abiding citizens.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/07/27/bill-cosby-partly-right-partly-wrong-on-the-zimmermanmartin-case/#comment-634544</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 02:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In LA County where the shooting happened it is almost impossible to get a permit. Some of the low population density counties make it easy to get a permit, but you have to live there (and of course an 18 year old couldn&#039;t get one anywhere).

In San Diego I understand you can get a permit (often) if you run your own buisness, on the basis you may be robbed for the cash you will have. It is hard to get a permit in SD for personal defense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In LA County where the shooting happened it is almost impossible to get a permit. Some of the low population density counties make it easy to get a permit, but you have to live there (and of course an 18 year old couldn&#8217;t get one anywhere).</p>
<p>In San Diego I understand you can get a permit (often) if you run your own buisness, on the basis you may be robbed for the cash you will have. It is hard to get a permit in SD for personal defense.</p>
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		By: Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/07/27/bill-cosby-partly-right-partly-wrong-on-the-zimmermanmartin-case/#comment-634387</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jerry,

Exactly right - also, not only is California a may issue state for CCW permits, whether or not you&#039;ll get it even after dealing with law enforcement varies from county to county.  

You could be perfectly sane, pass all checks, classes, and still be denied in say, Santa Clara County, but if you live in a rural county, you&#039;ll get it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>Exactly right &#8211; also, not only is California a may issue state for CCW permits, whether or not you&#8217;ll get it even after dealing with law enforcement varies from county to county.  </p>
<p>You could be perfectly sane, pass all checks, classes, and still be denied in say, Santa Clara County, but if you live in a rural county, you&#8217;ll get it.</p>
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		By: Ed Bonderenka		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bonderenka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just watched a commercial for ADT Security.
The couple says they&#039;ve got two little reasons [holding babies] to get it and one big reason:
The house next door was broken into.
&quot;Luckily no one was there.&quot;
[picture of ransacked house]
Lucky for who?
I pity the fool comes bustin&#039; in my house while we&#039;re here.
The system isn&#039;t armed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just watched a commercial for ADT Security.<br />
The couple says they&#8217;ve got two little reasons [holding babies] to get it and one big reason:<br />
The house next door was broken into.<br />
&#8220;Luckily no one was there.&#8221;<br />
[picture of ransacked house]<br />
Lucky for who?<br />
I pity the fool comes bustin&#8217; in my house while we&#8217;re here.<br />
The system isn&#8217;t armed.</p>
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		By: Jerry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mikhail Markhasev could NOT have had a concealed carry permit.  Aside from the facts that California is not a shall issue state and you need to get permission from local law enforcement and California has lots of firearms restrictions,  the far bigger issue is this - it is illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to purchase or be in unsupervised possession of a handgun.  This has been Federal law since the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act

It is remarkable how  many gun laws there are that no one seems to know about.  It has been my observation that those that know the least are usually the ones most loudly demanding more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikhail Markhasev could NOT have had a concealed carry permit.  Aside from the facts that California is not a shall issue state and you need to get permission from local law enforcement and California has lots of firearms restrictions,  the far bigger issue is this &#8211; it is illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to purchase or be in unsupervised possession of a handgun.  This has been Federal law since the passage of the 1968 Gun Control Act</p>
<p>It is remarkable how  many gun laws there are that no one seems to know about.  It has been my observation that those that know the least are usually the ones most loudly demanding more.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/07/27/bill-cosby-partly-right-partly-wrong-on-the-zimmermanmartin-case/#comment-634102</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Union propaganda and socialization has remade the police force from a civic body based around defending family, community, country (in that order) into a sort of pseudo paramilitary culture that prides itself on &quot;hunting humans&quot; and the &quot;sub humans&quot; called criminals.

The gangs contribute one group of tribes. The police forces another. The civilians in between are thus raided and pillaged by both sides. When Republicans come in from outside and talk to the black civilians about how Republican policies will fix things... an expected reaction is due.

Generally speaking, only police officers can reform other police officers. POs or cops won&#039;t listen to gang bangers, civilians, or &quot;Others&quot; not part of the tribe. However, Leftist unions punish and exile police officers that attempt to reform corruption. Or they are silenced. Or the cops silence themselves because they don&#039;t want to break the &quot;Code&quot; of speaking out against their clan, a traitorous behavior that benefits only criminals and sub humans.

Unions control the resources. Thus they control the soul of the police.

Taxes are one kind of resource, but not the only kind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Union propaganda and socialization has remade the police force from a civic body based around defending family, community, country (in that order) into a sort of pseudo paramilitary culture that prides itself on &#8220;hunting humans&#8221; and the &#8220;sub humans&#8221; called criminals.</p>
<p>The gangs contribute one group of tribes. The police forces another. The civilians in between are thus raided and pillaged by both sides. When Republicans come in from outside and talk to the black civilians about how Republican policies will fix things&#8230; an expected reaction is due.</p>
<p>Generally speaking, only police officers can reform other police officers. POs or cops won&#8217;t listen to gang bangers, civilians, or &#8220;Others&#8221; not part of the tribe. However, Leftist unions punish and exile police officers that attempt to reform corruption. Or they are silenced. Or the cops silence themselves because they don&#8217;t want to break the &#8220;Code&#8221; of speaking out against their clan, a traitorous behavior that benefits only criminals and sub humans.</p>
<p>Unions control the resources. Thus they control the soul of the police.</p>
<p>Taxes are one kind of resource, but not the only kind.</p>
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