Not exactly armed to the teeth type of mentality. Burglars can pretty much guess those kind of people aren’t trained to fight, nor will be armed to any great extent. Free money.

“I found it telling that fellow residents consistently felt that calling 911 constituted rendering aid.”

It could be that those who said they would call 911 rather than “join the fight” were not able to physically help – but, could that really be true for every one of them?

Here was a guy helping THEIR neighborhood and they feel that “call the cops” is the best they can do to help Zimmerman when his life is in danger. Shameful, just shameful.

The stories I’ve collated over time seems to suggest that based around the environmental stimuli and a person’s individual quirks, their mental internal perceptions can become very different. A door kicker in a SWAT team can perceive the room clear as being one long 2 hour conversation with his buddies making funny comments. Another guy in the same team can perceive it as happening in 5 seconds what took 30 seconds. Another guy could simply be blank and says he doesn’t remember doing anything in those 30 seconds it took to clear the room. Etc

Adrenaline, how big the spike it has in the beginning, people’s tolerance and reactions to it, and how adrenaline tapers off or otherwise affects the mind, as well as endorphine reactions and what not, were side topics I had to research for an unrelated context (not crime).

It turned out to be useful for H2H conflicts as well or war.

Much as those who go up to mountains, meditate fast and achieve nirvana/satoh/enlightenment, can’t come back down and write down their impressions of the Universal Truth, so the same is for those who have experienced a mentality suited to battle and survival.

It is not something they used or understood with words, so with words they cannot easily explain or process it. Even though PTSD episodes can be analyzed with words if such training is provided as a form of therapy. Most of the words lose their meaning, though some of it can be transferred. Those who have not experienced such states, can only get a slim percentage though. Those who have been in survival situations where their brains recognized their life was on the line, can probably adapt such experiences to other people’s situations, eventually.

When you are in a highly critical situation of some sort – and even moreso in a life-threatening one – the “flow” of time, i.e., for the participant(s) …changes.

Call it “real time” that has become disconnected from “perceptual time” for the participant(s).

To an outside casual observer of the event, time flows in the usual linear fashion, at the same “speed” as usual (a minute remains a minute).

From the “observer perspective” (and even then, only if they themselves possess an unusual mental acuity in the ability to process “high speed events”), the only “time” peculiarity may be in how fast the physical action and reaction times of the participants have become (due to the adrenal surge having pushed the event participants into otherwise phenomenal feats of mental acuity and physical reactions).

To wit: the event participant(s) exhibit much faster than what appear as otherwise normal purely physical movements to the outside observer.

But it’s not that way – to the participant(s) – from “inside” the event. For the “perceptual time” of the participant(s) has become compressed, and though time “flow” appears as usual to them, in reality they are mentally processing – and physically reacting – at speeds that are in no wise part of the ordinary human state, or experience (i.e., most people have never experienced …had cause to experience …this).

When you are in this …enhanced …state, you are mentally and physically faster than is ordinarily possible. Here’s the kicker: you might not know it.

Because time flow still seems “ordinary”. To you.

(In conversations over the years, my pet term for this condition is “situational awareness”, by which I mean the ability – and to a degree, it can be taught and practiced – to prepare yourself for entering this state of mental awareness and enhanced reactions …or “time flow”. But I also liken it to the old Norse term, the Berserker Rage, which I believe is a more, shall we say, emotional variant of the state.)

…and – accepting the above – it’s quite possible (I’d assert highly probable), that Z was going in and out of this state when TM threatened, and then attacked him.

And so the disjointedness (if you will), that so struck Ymarsarkar (and myself) as being evident from Z’s observational descriptions during the walkthrough, is quite reasonable and conclusive of Z’s veracity.

…been there, done that (which are several life stories in and of themselves lol).

While I’m reconstructing T Martin’s pov, it’s from Zimmerman’s evidence claims that is the base.

Zimmerman put things in a linear time scale, 1, 2, 3, etc. What led me to conclude that the reconstruction of the incident had a delay on Martin’s part is because of what Zimmerman reported Martin said during the fight, as well as Zimmerman’s own accurate analysis and details (which would normally only be feasible if he had time to distinguish 1 from 2)

That was an entire full sentence “you are going to die tonight mfer”. Adrenaline probably allowed Zimmerman to capture it cleanly, for permanent memory storage. Z man even heard the “mfer” at the end, and didn’t just “reconstitute” the last half from the first half of the sentence (which is usually the case with eye witnesses that don’t clearly hear things)

From what I know, people who plan on saving their lives or ending someone else’s lives, don’t have enough brain time to spare for talking. They talk before they act, not while they act.

Zimmerman also consistently kept saying the word “feel” for things he perceived to be true. Such as where Martin’s arms were going. Such as what Martin was doing, even though Zimmerman was crawling around on the grass/sidewalk sideways, making it very hard look up or around at Martin. (MMA side control perhaps)

So this wasn’t with his eyes he was perceiving the chain of events. So what would lead Zimmerman to think a person attacking him and maybe trying to kill him, would then “look” at his sidearm, say a full sentence, and then Zimmerman would have the time to conclude that Martin was going to get that gun and use it on him?

Those are 2 or more different OODA sequences, which can go anywhere from 2 to 10 seconds.

As a comparison, Zimmerman couldn’t adequately report how he got on the ground or how Martin “got on top of him”, even though physically this might take 1 to 5 seconds. He couldn’t do it even though he was looking straight at his attacker (tunnel vision) and upright. He couldn’t report his feeling, because he was unable to have time to perceive what was going on. Things that all happen at once or too quickly for a sequence to built, human minds just perceive it as a jumble. But Zimmerman didn’t perceive his sequence as a jumble. Which suggests to me that it took longer than a physical struggle to put Z man on the ground by Martin. Yet Zimmerman clearly had time to reconstruct the chain of events leading up to the firearm draw, at least his interpretation of it in a sequential motion. And this was when he felt his life was on the line.

The expansion of perceived time due to adrenaline and life threatening situations can explain how Zimmerman was able to clearly articulate a sequence of events as he saw it. But it doesn’t explain why Martin took those precious seconds to say a full sentence.

To be able to shift from a monkey bar room fight, to thinking of killing someone or being killed by someone, to being able to talk, is a substantial amount of time for Martin, no matter how short it may have been to Zimmerman.

If Martin had already planned on killing Zimmerman, he would have just saw the gun, 1/2 seconds later got the gun, and shot ZImmerman. There wouldn’t have been any need to “verbalize” things. Even in street fights, people aren’t usually “verbalizing” their threats as they use their fists, let alone in a life/death conflict. It’s either before or afterwards that they start talking a lot. During their attack or defense, they say nothing. They fully concentrate on the action.

FBI hostage negotiators use this to keep someone talking, so they aren’t thinking of executing the hostages. So long as they are talking, they aren’t shooting. There’s a significant delay and time required to shift mental gears. So long as a person is talking, they don’t have time to switch gears. They have to stop talking, then they can take 1-2 seconds to switch gears.

This “delay” on Martin’s part is inferred from Zimmerman’s account, juxtaposing the two perspectives together and reconstructing events. I can get a more accurate basis if I could question Zimmerman directly. Even if things flowed to one point for Zimmerman, Martin’s reported actions (by Z man) didn’t “flow” at all. It was very sequential with a lot of OODA loops. Far more than is necessary to kill or attempt to escape death.

davisbr says,

“My suspicion has exponentially grown though, after hearing Z’s walkthrough dialogue, about the motivational factor behind why TM circled back …and that his movement was due to what I suspect Rachel J’ has left unsaid … “

I agree. She didn’t call the police because she says, while sworn on the stand (if that means anything), that she just thought it was a fight. You know, one of those everyday occurrences wherein there was nothing to get upset about.

Trayvon was just taking care of business … with someone she supposedly advised him to run from earlier. Someone she says “to her mind” he had successfully eluded, to the point of getting within two houses of his Daddy’s fiancee’s house.

close paraphrase “I told him ‘Run Trayvon run’ ”

Later, Why didn’t you call the police?

paraphrase :”I thought it was just a fight”

And now she admits that she thinks that Trayvon threw the first punch.

What’s left to say, regarding the state’s case?

I go with Ymarsaker about the lack of fluidity in TM noticing the gun (and Y’s speculation about what was going through TM’s head) and Y’s interpretation, neo.

Z’ described the way time expands in those kinds of moments, where eternities pass in milliseconds …when time slows down, and a second is many minutes.

My suspicion has exponentially grown though, after hearing Z’s walkthrough dialogue, about the motivational factor behind why TM circled back …and that his movement was due to what I suspect Rachel J’ has left unsaid [to anyone!] in public about the full content of her phone conversation with TM during those moments when TM made the decision to go back after Z.

You can take that for what it’s worth in salt and tears; but it’s my belief that TM was “proving” something to someone, and unlike Ymarsaker, I don’t think it was about jungle ideation at all (though I found your description fascinating, Ymarsaker …and also think you’re correct about what coursed through TM’s thoughts during his last few seconds on this plane) …but rather something more common between hyper hormonal teenage boys and teenage girls who are deep in the rut …and I speculate that the someone who knows exactly why TM turned back to where Death awaited him, is never, ever going to admit her …active …part in this tragedy.

If I’m interpreting what she did say about creepy-ass crackers as being the clue, I think deciphering TM’s motivation – to impress her with his courage and vigor – isn’t a stretch at all.

RJ still has secrets.

She’ll go to the grave with the truth.

…well, if my read on this a’right.

Which at the least might make part of a good scene in a script about all this.

I see from your sidebar, you have 149 posts carrying an Iraq label, so I assume you’re experienced with the immovability of a completely entrenched false truth.

Given that the Democrats and the media used false truths to great political effect during the Bush administration, we shouldn’t be surprised that they would continue to use an effective tool when in power.

Having seen this, the only things I would fault Zimmerman for would be the tactical errors of failing to maintain awareness of his surroundings, thus allowing Martin to close with him and then, having let Martin get within striking range of him, taking his eyes off Martin to look for his cell phone.

Zimmerman’s account in this video looks completely convincing to me.

Does anyone know if this video was ever played on any of the major news shows? I would be surprised if it was since it clearly does not fit the party line.

I have linked this back as a reference for someone who is trying to make up a narrative the makes Zimmerman guilty.