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		By: Doom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/28/to-those-who-still-think-snowden-is-a-hero/#comment-623246</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doom]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem with Snowden&#039;s travel plans is fiction.  If he wishes to not end up disappeared, whether in solitary in a federal pen at best or simply murdered, he has little choice.  As for his choosing the job to get the data, that should make clear how easy it would be to do the same thing for much more nefarious reasons.  If he had gotten rich off the thing, that would have been one thing.  Oh, I suppose book deals and a movie are possibilities, if he survives.

I just can&#039;t agree where you are going and why.  Those make perfect sense given the situation, tactically.  And has been mentioned here and everywhere, Snowden isn&#039;t the focus anyway.  I just think you are still a little stuck in your old statist believing ways on this.  I understand, but hope you pop this latest bubble.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Snowden&#8217;s travel plans is fiction.  If he wishes to not end up disappeared, whether in solitary in a federal pen at best or simply murdered, he has little choice.  As for his choosing the job to get the data, that should make clear how easy it would be to do the same thing for much more nefarious reasons.  If he had gotten rich off the thing, that would have been one thing.  Oh, I suppose book deals and a movie are possibilities, if he survives.</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t agree where you are going and why.  Those make perfect sense given the situation, tactically.  And has been mentioned here and everywhere, Snowden isn&#8217;t the focus anyway.  I just think you are still a little stuck in your old statist believing ways on this.  I understand, but hope you pop this latest bubble.</p>
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		By: Rick Caird		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/28/to-those-who-still-think-snowden-is-a-hero/#comment-622752</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, my point is Snowden does not matter as much as what the NSA and the government is doing to us.  The fundamental tenets of this country and our Constitution are being violated and that is far more important than Snowden.  Focus on Snowden if you must, but he is the least of our worries.  The more we focus on Snowden,  the less we focus on our liberties.  

Tow examples of how that works.  The first is Monica Lewwinski.  The Clinton apologists were just starting their campaign of trashing Lewinski and her character, but the blue dress was revealed and then it went back to being about Clinton.  

The second example is the Zimmerman trial.  The Sanford police knew there was no case, but the race baiters decided to make a cause of it and it became about Zimmerman, the child with a bright future, and race, not about self defense.  Now, with the trial, we are talking about self defense again.

There are always people who try to change the subject to personality and character and the government is at the forefront of that.  Forget about Snowden and whether he is traitor or hero.  To me, the real issue is what is the NSA doing and who gave them permission to do that.

Oh, and by the way, Snowden was a network guy.  Network guys need to have access to just about everything to do their jobs.  Network guys make sure traffic is flowing and that applications are accessible.    Over the years, I have had access to lots of stuff like P/R data, and criminal records.  I just didn&#039;t look for anything, but I needed access to the application to make sure it was working.  If Snowden had been an application programmer he would have had access to a lot less data.  There are people who are saying that the data should have been encrypted.  That would have solved the Snowden problem, but probably would have caused a lot of different problems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, my point is Snowden does not matter as much as what the NSA and the government is doing to us.  The fundamental tenets of this country and our Constitution are being violated and that is far more important than Snowden.  Focus on Snowden if you must, but he is the least of our worries.  The more we focus on Snowden,  the less we focus on our liberties.  </p>
<p>Tow examples of how that works.  The first is Monica Lewwinski.  The Clinton apologists were just starting their campaign of trashing Lewinski and her character, but the blue dress was revealed and then it went back to being about Clinton.  </p>
<p>The second example is the Zimmerman trial.  The Sanford police knew there was no case, but the race baiters decided to make a cause of it and it became about Zimmerman, the child with a bright future, and race, not about self defense.  Now, with the trial, we are talking about self defense again.</p>
<p>There are always people who try to change the subject to personality and character and the government is at the forefront of that.  Forget about Snowden and whether he is traitor or hero.  To me, the real issue is what is the NSA doing and who gave them permission to do that.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, Snowden was a network guy.  Network guys need to have access to just about everything to do their jobs.  Network guys make sure traffic is flowing and that applications are accessible.    Over the years, I have had access to lots of stuff like P/R data, and criminal records.  I just didn&#8217;t look for anything, but I needed access to the application to make sure it was working.  If Snowden had been an application programmer he would have had access to a lot less data.  There are people who are saying that the data should have been encrypted.  That would have solved the Snowden problem, but probably would have caused a lot of different problems.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/28/to-those-who-still-think-snowden-is-a-hero/#comment-622717</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More conspiracy theories. People think it is impossible to disprove a conspiracy theory. But that&#039;s actually not quite correct. There are plenty of ways. Not about the conspiracy theory, but to do a check up on who actually believes in the theories.

Basically, when sane and truthful people believe in conspiracy theories, the theories are more likely to be true. When liars, drug addicts, and people who believe in any con imaginable, trust in conspiracy theories, that is a warning sign.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More conspiracy theories. People think it is impossible to disprove a conspiracy theory. But that&#8217;s actually not quite correct. There are plenty of ways. Not about the conspiracy theory, but to do a check up on who actually believes in the theories.</p>
<p>Basically, when sane and truthful people believe in conspiracy theories, the theories are more likely to be true. When liars, drug addicts, and people who believe in any con imaginable, trust in conspiracy theories, that is a warning sign.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 20:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m still somewhat on the fence, like Ymarsakar.  I don&#039;t know enough at this point to make a judgement.  The trip to Moscow does indeed look bad.

One thing I don&#039;t know and which I&#039;m curious about:  Have any of Snowden&#039;s superiors at the NSA or the contractor been punished, demoted, or fired?  You&#039;d think that heads would be rolling everywhere for allowing him to get loose with all that information.

Which brings me to my last point:  Given that the Obama administration has been doing everything conceivable to damage America, it is possible that he was indeed &quot;allowed&quot; to get loose?

It sounds like tinfoil hattery, but I had to mention it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still somewhat on the fence, like Ymarsakar.  I don&#8217;t know enough at this point to make a judgement.  The trip to Moscow does indeed look bad.</p>
<p>One thing I don&#8217;t know and which I&#8217;m curious about:  Have any of Snowden&#8217;s superiors at the NSA or the contractor been punished, demoted, or fired?  You&#8217;d think that heads would be rolling everywhere for allowing him to get loose with all that information.</p>
<p>Which brings me to my last point:  Given that the Obama administration has been doing everything conceivable to damage America, it is possible that he was indeed &#8220;allowed&#8221; to get loose?</p>
<p>It sounds like tinfoil hattery, but I had to mention it.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 18:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rick Caird:

No, I haven&#039;t fallen into any trap by the government.

Nor was I especially influenced by the Eichenwald piece.  I found it after I had come to my own conclusions about the Snowden matter.  And if you&#039;ve followed the trajectory of all my pieces on Snowden, you will find that my position has been consistent from the first.  All the facts as I have read them---including the ones most favorable to Snowden, those published in the leftist &lt;i&gt;Guardian&lt;/i&gt; at the outset, in the Greenwald articles---have led me to consider Snowden a naive (at best), mendacious, dangerous man.

That does not change the fact that I don&#039;t trust the government not to abuse the NSA programs.  The two things are not mutually exclusive.  But I have never swallowed any memes about Snowden.  From the start I&#039;ve done my own research and used my own reasoning, and so far, interestingly enough, I have not been proven wrong.

For example, at the outset, using just the timeline Snowden provided about his job history at Booz, plus the one Greenwald provided about when Snowden first contacted him, &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2013/06/10/i-wonder/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it was obvious to me&lt;/a&gt; that Snowden only got the Booz job in order to steal the information and reveal it.  And just a few days ago Snowden himself admitted that was the case.   If you want to see how I regarded Snowden from the start, just use the search function on the blog and read my early pieces, for example &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2013/06/11/snowdens-story-how-much-veracity-is-there-in-verax/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;.  Or &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2013/06/10/where-are-the-edward-snowdens-of-yesteryear/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my very first piece&lt;/a&gt; on the subject. 

Snowden&#039;s travel plans ever since his leak have been highly suspect as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick Caird:</p>
<p>No, I haven&#8217;t fallen into any trap by the government.</p>
<p>Nor was I especially influenced by the Eichenwald piece.  I found it after I had come to my own conclusions about the Snowden matter.  And if you&#8217;ve followed the trajectory of all my pieces on Snowden, you will find that my position has been consistent from the first.  All the facts as I have read them&#8212;including the ones most favorable to Snowden, those published in the leftist <i>Guardian</i> at the outset, in the Greenwald articles&#8212;have led me to consider Snowden a naive (at best), mendacious, dangerous man.</p>
<p>That does not change the fact that I don&#8217;t trust the government not to abuse the NSA programs.  The two things are not mutually exclusive.  But I have never swallowed any memes about Snowden.  From the start I&#8217;ve done my own research and used my own reasoning, and so far, interestingly enough, I have not been proven wrong.</p>
<p>For example, at the outset, using just the timeline Snowden provided about his job history at Booz, plus the one Greenwald provided about when Snowden first contacted him, <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2013/06/10/i-wonder/" rel="nofollow">it was obvious to me</a> that Snowden only got the Booz job in order to steal the information and reveal it.  And just a few days ago Snowden himself admitted that was the case.   If you want to see how I regarded Snowden from the start, just use the search function on the blog and read my early pieces, for example <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2013/06/11/snowdens-story-how-much-veracity-is-there-in-verax/" rel="nofollow">this one</a>.  Or <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2013/06/10/where-are-the-edward-snowdens-of-yesteryear/" rel="nofollow">my very first piece</a> on the subject. </p>
<p>Snowden&#8217;s travel plans ever since his leak have been highly suspect as well.</p>
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		By: MollyNH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MollyNH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On the *lighter side*
Noticed at the check out,  Supermarket Tabloid :
   &quot;Obama spied on Prince William &#038; Kate !!!!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the *lighter side*<br />
Noticed at the check out,  Supermarket Tabloid :<br />
   &#8220;Obama spied on Prince William &amp; Kate !!!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Rick Caird		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/28/to-those-who-still-think-snowden-is-a-hero/#comment-622600</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Caird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jun 2013 15:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo responded to my comment.  I still disagree with her.  I found Eichnwald&#039;s piece unimpressive.  He spent an inordinate amount of time reliving the 1930&#039;s and 40&#039;s and claimed Snowden&#039;s efforts were the equivalent of blowing Enigma and Purple.  Not so.  That was a different time and there was no domestic spying of the nature we have now (most of it, contrary to Neo, was not recognized by Congress or the American people).  What Snowden revealed about Internet hacking of Chinese and Russians is certainly suspected by them just as we are aware of their attempts on us.  

Then today, we learn the US has bugged the chambers of the EU.  They are outraged and justifiably so.  We also find that Congress is asking question about if the NSA is creating a gun registry from registry data.  That is a function explicitly outlawed by legislation.  There are also now concerns the FISA court is league with the government and rubber stamping whatever they want.  Congress is concerned the NSA has gone far beyond what the Patriot Act and the FISA act.envisioned.  

This all must be sorted out and without Snowden it would still be shrouded in secrecy and mystery.  You, Neo, have fallen into the trap the government wants you to fall into.  This is not about Snowden being a hero or a traitor.  It is about the domestic spying by the NSA on US citizens.  Questions have been asked, but not answered, and it looks as if the NSA is compiling data on Legislator and staff and on the Executive branch.  Nothing is off limits to them.  Is that what we want?  If it is, then we need to take definite steps to allow that.  If it is not, then we have to take steps to prevent it.  But, this unrestricted collection of data on all US citizens will not end well.  That is where you should be paying attention and not to &quot;Snowden: hero or traitor&quot;.  It is not about Snowden.  It is about us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo responded to my comment.  I still disagree with her.  I found Eichnwald&#8217;s piece unimpressive.  He spent an inordinate amount of time reliving the 1930&#8217;s and 40&#8217;s and claimed Snowden&#8217;s efforts were the equivalent of blowing Enigma and Purple.  Not so.  That was a different time and there was no domestic spying of the nature we have now (most of it, contrary to Neo, was not recognized by Congress or the American people).  What Snowden revealed about Internet hacking of Chinese and Russians is certainly suspected by them just as we are aware of their attempts on us.  </p>
<p>Then today, we learn the US has bugged the chambers of the EU.  They are outraged and justifiably so.  We also find that Congress is asking question about if the NSA is creating a gun registry from registry data.  That is a function explicitly outlawed by legislation.  There are also now concerns the FISA court is league with the government and rubber stamping whatever they want.  Congress is concerned the NSA has gone far beyond what the Patriot Act and the FISA act.envisioned.  </p>
<p>This all must be sorted out and without Snowden it would still be shrouded in secrecy and mystery.  You, Neo, have fallen into the trap the government wants you to fall into.  This is not about Snowden being a hero or a traitor.  It is about the domestic spying by the NSA on US citizens.  Questions have been asked, but not answered, and it looks as if the NSA is compiling data on Legislator and staff and on the Executive branch.  Nothing is off limits to them.  Is that what we want?  If it is, then we need to take definite steps to allow that.  If it is not, then we have to take steps to prevent it.  But, this unrestricted collection of data on all US citizens will not end well.  That is where you should be paying attention and not to &#8220;Snowden: hero or traitor&#8221;.  It is not about Snowden.  It is about us.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He is both a hero, with his revelations of illegal activity (i.e. extra-Constitutional) by the government, and a &quot;traitor&quot;, with his choice to conspire with foreign interests.  I am not certain which label is more relevant, but his motives are definitely suspect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is both a hero, with his revelations of illegal activity (i.e. extra-Constitutional) by the government, and a &#8220;traitor&#8221;, with his choice to conspire with foreign interests.  I am not certain which label is more relevant, but his motives are definitely suspect.</p>
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		By: MollyNH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MollyNH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I don t have to keep *telling myself* about the merit or demerit of Snowden&#039;s actions because its out of my capacity to act on it.
 Being indignant or supportive of it probably just unnecessarily *stresses* a person.
I can t see investing that much *emotion* into it.
 Once again it s an epic fail for the minions in Washington, everyday they demonstrate the 
*gang that can t shoot straight* behaviors.
 any incident that enhances their idiocy is cool with me .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I don t have to keep *telling myself* about the merit or demerit of Snowden&#8217;s actions because its out of my capacity to act on it.<br />
 Being indignant or supportive of it probably just unnecessarily *stresses* a person.<br />
I can t see investing that much *emotion* into it.<br />
 Once again it s an epic fail for the minions in Washington, everyday they demonstrate the<br />
*gang that can t shoot straight* behaviors.<br />
 any incident that enhances their idiocy is cool with me .</p>
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		By: I R A Darth Aggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I R A Darth Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll put it this way:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks for tipping us off that the NSA was collecting all our phone metadata from the carriers. You should have left it at that, providing intelligence information to our enemies? I think that would be, shall we say? &lt;b&gt;drone worthy&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But I&#039;m not the CIC, so...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll put it this way:</p>
<blockquote><p>Thanks for tipping us off that the NSA was collecting all our phone metadata from the carriers. You should have left it at that, providing intelligence information to our enemies? I think that would be, shall we say? <b>drone worthy</b>.</p></blockquote>
<p>But I&#8217;m not the CIC, so&#8230;</p>
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