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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/26/scotus-rules-on-the-doma-and-california-proposition-8-cases/#comment-621334</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phillip Ngai:

Yes indeed, the US District Court (federal) located in California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip Ngai:</p>
<p>Yes indeed, the US District Court (federal) located in California.</p>
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		By: Philip Ngai		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/26/scotus-rules-on-the-doma-and-california-proposition-8-cases/#comment-621297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Ngai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to be accurate, it was not a &quot;California court&#039;s decision that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional &quot;, it was the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. That&#039;s a Federal Court.

In my tiny mind, it would be impossible for a California Court to find the California Constitution to be unconstitutional.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be accurate, it was not a &#8220;California court&#8217;s decision that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional &#8220;, it was the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. That&#8217;s a Federal Court.</p>
<p>In my tiny mind, it would be impossible for a California Court to find the California Constitution to be unconstitutional.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my former life as a stockbroker I had plenty of gay clients.

Without divorce, without dependents, they ended up with all the financial assets -- tax code be damned.

The &lt;b&gt;last&lt;/b&gt; thing they wanted was to be hitched -- to &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; in such a manner that divorce would be required to severe the bond.

ALL of their straight acquaintances had lost their wallets to family or divorce. 

Gay men disdain gay marriage.

The only faction that plays up &#039;gay&#039; marriage is the lesbian crowd. Where lesbian marriage has been permitted, childless divorce has soon erupted. The partners soon discover the perils of a joint checking account... which totally overwhelms the impact of form 1040.

The normal progression of events soon turns lesbian partnerships into virtually one-income &#039;families;&#039; with the dyke bringing in the bacon. (typically) The submissive then &#039;makes house&#039; -- a childless home -- and audits soap operas full time.

This dynamic is hard wired into the human brain -- deep down at the brain stem. It can&#039;t be thought around/ reasoned with. It just &lt;i&gt;is.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my former life as a stockbroker I had plenty of gay clients.</p>
<p>Without divorce, without dependents, they ended up with all the financial assets &#8212; tax code be damned.</p>
<p>The <b>last</b> thing they wanted was to be hitched &#8212; to <i>anyone</i> in such a manner that divorce would be required to severe the bond.</p>
<p>ALL of their straight acquaintances had lost their wallets to family or divorce. </p>
<p>Gay men disdain gay marriage.</p>
<p>The only faction that plays up &#8216;gay&#8217; marriage is the lesbian crowd. Where lesbian marriage has been permitted, childless divorce has soon erupted. The partners soon discover the perils of a joint checking account&#8230; which totally overwhelms the impact of form 1040.</p>
<p>The normal progression of events soon turns lesbian partnerships into virtually one-income &#8216;families;&#8217; with the dyke bringing in the bacon. (typically) The submissive then &#8216;makes house&#8217; &#8212; a childless home &#8212; and audits soap operas full time.</p>
<p>This dynamic is hard wired into the human brain &#8212; deep down at the brain stem. It can&#8217;t be thought around/ reasoned with. It just <i>is.</i></p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/26/scotus-rules-on-the-doma-and-california-proposition-8-cases/#comment-620984</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 06:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon W Says: 
June 26th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;Those that have sincerely wanted to avail themselves of the &lt;b&gt;federal benefits of marriage&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yet another case of government causing problems.  If we had something like a flat tax, there would &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; any such thing as &quot;federal benefits of marriage&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon W Says:<br />
June 26th, 2013 at 11:57 pm</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>Those that have sincerely wanted to avail themselves of the <b>federal benefits of marriage</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Yet another case of government causing problems.  If we had something like a flat tax, there would <i>be</i> any such thing as &#8220;federal benefits of marriage&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/26/scotus-rules-on-the-doma-and-california-proposition-8-cases/#comment-620942</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 03:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a Catholic conservative, I don&#039;t know a single person who opposed &quot;civil unions&quot;.  Those that have sincerely wanted to avail themselves of the federal benefits of marriage most assuredly could have proceeded along those lines and arrived at their desired destination.  The fact that this is about marriage, or more specifically, dismantling the foundation of the family is more than evident.  I have always stated that I don&#039;t want my granddaughter to be asked at school, &quot;Are you going to marry a boy or a girl?&quot;  Really, it is that fundamental for me.  One of her Uncles is gay and has a partner.  So it isn&#039;t as though we don&#039;t have a personal connection to the realities of life.  But forcing the issue in the public square?  The law of unintended consequences will manifest without a doubt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Catholic conservative, I don&#8217;t know a single person who opposed &#8220;civil unions&#8221;.  Those that have sincerely wanted to avail themselves of the federal benefits of marriage most assuredly could have proceeded along those lines and arrived at their desired destination.  The fact that this is about marriage, or more specifically, dismantling the foundation of the family is more than evident.  I have always stated that I don&#8217;t want my granddaughter to be asked at school, &#8220;Are you going to marry a boy or a girl?&#8221;  Really, it is that fundamental for me.  One of her Uncles is gay and has a partner.  So it isn&#8217;t as though we don&#8217;t have a personal connection to the realities of life.  But forcing the issue in the public square?  The law of unintended consequences will manifest without a doubt.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 03:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is mostly about taking down Christianity. As with the NSA surveillance, the moslems will get a pass.

On the amnesty for illegal aliens front, Rubio said this: &quot;I got involved because &lt;b&gt;I knew that if conservatives didn’t get involved in shaping this legislation, it would not have&lt;/b&gt; any border security reforms our nation desperately needs,” Rubio said.

There you go. The rationale for all the Collaborators. &quot;if conservatives didn’t get involved in shaping this legislation . . .&quot; IOW, they&#039;ve given up the fight on issue after issue, and are now just . . . tweaking the Leftist programme.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is mostly about taking down Christianity. As with the NSA surveillance, the moslems will get a pass.</p>
<p>On the amnesty for illegal aliens front, Rubio said this: &#8220;I got involved because <b>I knew that if conservatives didn’t get involved in shaping this legislation, it would not have</b> any border security reforms our nation desperately needs,” Rubio said.</p>
<p>There you go. The rationale for all the Collaborators. &#8220;if conservatives didn’t get involved in shaping this legislation . . .&#8221; IOW, they&#8217;ve given up the fight on issue after issue, and are now just . . . tweaking the Leftist programme.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl, 

Depends upon whether you&#039;re referring to the narcissism of appearance or the extreme narcissism of egotistical preoccupation with self, Obama being a superb example.

Both gay men and lesbians adopt the male and female roles when in relationship. 

Gay men who embrace the feminine role are more narcissistic about appearance than the majority of heterosexual men. 

Lesbians are just the opposite, those who embrace the masculine role, reject traditional standards of feminine beauty in themselves and are less narcissistic about appearance than the majority of heterosexual women. 

Gay men who embrace the masculine role and lesbians who embrace the feminine role are probably about as narcissistic as heterosexuals.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl, </p>
<p>Depends upon whether you&#8217;re referring to the narcissism of appearance or the extreme narcissism of egotistical preoccupation with self, Obama being a superb example.</p>
<p>Both gay men and lesbians adopt the male and female roles when in relationship. </p>
<p>Gay men who embrace the feminine role are more narcissistic about appearance than the majority of heterosexual men. </p>
<p>Lesbians are just the opposite, those who embrace the masculine role, reject traditional standards of feminine beauty in themselves and are less narcissistic about appearance than the majority of heterosexual women. </p>
<p>Gay men who embrace the masculine role and lesbians who embrace the feminine role are probably about as narcissistic as heterosexuals.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/26/scotus-rules-on-the-doma-and-california-proposition-8-cases/#comment-620895</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m basically a libertarian, and believe in &quot;live and let live&quot;.  I don&#039;t hate homosexuals and don&#039;t want to see them repressed or punished.

But it certainly seems today that homosexuals, a small percentage of the population, appear to have an outsized presence in positions of wealth and power.  They are not demanding tolerance, but acceptance as normal.  I&#039;m not a psychologist, but I&#039;ve read that they tend to be more narcissistic than heterosexuals.

As we know, narcissists in positions of power can be problematic.

Homosexuality and other sexual perversions can be tolerated in societies that are peaceful and prosperous, but in a society that is splintering, disintegrating, and sinking into poverty, I would predict a rather violent backlash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m basically a libertarian, and believe in &#8220;live and let live&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t hate homosexuals and don&#8217;t want to see them repressed or punished.</p>
<p>But it certainly seems today that homosexuals, a small percentage of the population, appear to have an outsized presence in positions of wealth and power.  They are not demanding tolerance, but acceptance as normal.  I&#8217;m not a psychologist, but I&#8217;ve read that they tend to be more narcissistic than heterosexuals.</p>
<p>As we know, narcissists in positions of power can be problematic.</p>
<p>Homosexuality and other sexual perversions can be tolerated in societies that are peaceful and prosperous, but in a society that is splintering, disintegrating, and sinking into poverty, I would predict a rather violent backlash.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 01:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Earlier this evening, I left the following comment at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=50071&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Transterrestrial Musings&lt;/a&gt;:

I’ve often thought that a big difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives are concerned with process, while liberals are concerned with results.

Conservatives believe that there are right ways and wrong ways to do things, and procedures and rules which must be followed. The Constitution must be interpreted in light of the original intent of those who wrote it. If a court decision sometimes goes in an unfavorable way, well, those are the breaks.

Liberals are willing to twist the Constitution into pretzel shapes in order to obtain the result they want. Likewise, they’re not shy about committing vote fraud to win elections. Or, as Marx put it, “the end justifies the means”.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier this evening, I left the following comment at <a href="http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=50071" rel="nofollow">Transterrestrial Musings</a>:</p>
<p>I’ve often thought that a big difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives are concerned with process, while liberals are concerned with results.</p>
<p>Conservatives believe that there are right ways and wrong ways to do things, and procedures and rules which must be followed. The Constitution must be interpreted in light of the original intent of those who wrote it. If a court decision sometimes goes in an unfavorable way, well, those are the breaks.</p>
<p>Liberals are willing to twist the Constitution into pretzel shapes in order to obtain the result they want. Likewise, they’re not shy about committing vote fraud to win elections. Or, as Marx put it, “the end justifies the means”.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[davisbr,

No, we are not there... yet. Striking down DOMA will not force Christian pastors and priests to perform same sex marriages. Nor their congregations to recognize same sex marriages either. 

At some point, a state legislature or activist judge will rule that the state categorization of whom may and may not marry supersedes Church dogma and then, Religious organizations will either be forced to perform same-sex marriages or have to cease performing all marriages. That&#039;s how they&#039;ll attack it.

It&#039;s all part of the &#039;one brick at a time&#039; approach the left is using. Businesses are and will be forced to recognize same sex couples as a step on the road to full societal acceptance. It&#039;s incremental coercion.

And a small correction to maintain perspective; A &lt;i&gt;slim majority&lt;/i&gt; of the Supreme Court practices &lt;i&gt;selective enforcement and interpretation&lt;/i&gt; of the Constitution and Constitutionality of Law. 

As neo warned, reelection of Obama has offered the left the potential opportunity to expand that slim majority, in perpetuity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>davisbr,</p>
<p>No, we are not there&#8230; yet. Striking down DOMA will not force Christian pastors and priests to perform same sex marriages. Nor their congregations to recognize same sex marriages either. </p>
<p>At some point, a state legislature or activist judge will rule that the state categorization of whom may and may not marry supersedes Church dogma and then, Religious organizations will either be forced to perform same-sex marriages or have to cease performing all marriages. That&#8217;s how they&#8217;ll attack it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all part of the &#8216;one brick at a time&#8217; approach the left is using. Businesses are and will be forced to recognize same sex couples as a step on the road to full societal acceptance. It&#8217;s incremental coercion.</p>
<p>And a small correction to maintain perspective; A <i>slim majority</i> of the Supreme Court practices <i>selective enforcement and interpretation</i> of the Constitution and Constitutionality of Law. </p>
<p>As neo warned, reelection of Obama has offered the left the potential opportunity to expand that slim majority, in perpetuity.</p>
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