I merely asked for your rationale in claiming there to be no distinction between liberals and leftists. You keep avoiding the specifics and then accusing me of emotion driven responses. I was merely trying to get you to respond appropriately but it’s now obvious that, that was a futile pursuit.

Sorry but I’m really not particularly interested in you either. Nor am I interested in “winning debates as a form of personal victory or value”. But you keep telling yourself that, since clearly it allows you to avoid substantive discussion.

Now that we’ve established your sole interest being in ‘declaiming from the Throne’, (talk about projecting) I’ll happily ignore your comments in the future. You go your way and I’ll go mine and in time reality will reveal which of us is the more attuned to it.

What it indicates is that I don’t recognize your authority over me.

You’ve given me two opportunities to respond? Am I somehow a plaintiff at your court, Mr. Judge. Or are you a Divine Being, where I should kneel down and say “I apologize, God, for not responding to your commands”.

It indicates that I don’t consider you someone worth my time, Geoffrey. I don’t consider you important enough. But for some reason, you are interested in me, but not in a positive sense as I gather.

You keep coming up with these “opportunities” you come up with in your imagination to test me. But I get the sense that you aren’t really interested in what I’m saying. You just want to find a way to debate yourself to the Throne.

So I make this subject about you. After all, it’s what you are really asking about. It’s the only thing you’ve paid attention to at least. I’m not particularly interested in you, but your comments in this thread has made me interested in why you are interested in winning debates as a form of personal victory or value.

http://neoneocon.com/2013/06/24/mickey-kaus/#comment-619993

Good luck with the games, drama, and debate. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Your social skills are either very poor or you’re being rather too deliberate in your slyness.

When you ask someone for the favor of giving information or their views, normally one doesn’t go out of their way to produce negative propaganda about them in claims or rhetoric.

“Please explain the….” followed by

“That you make no distinction between….., is instructive.”

is somehow your version of social politeness and reason?

Try not to underestimate people on the internet, Geoffrey, even if you think you are in someway “more correct” than them.

Your complete BS and personality + nature, doesn’t fool me. You’re not going to get what you think you want out here.

You’ve now had two opportunities to respond substantively and have instead resorted to personal attack. That indicates ego as motivation.

As I’ve never held myself up as an ‘authority’, that’s a strawman argument. I just recognize the intellectual rigorousness of an position or the lack thereof, when I see it.

“Where there is shouting, there is no true knowledge. “ Leonardo da Vinci

Nothing I’ve said here indicates a refusal “to accept the reality of the Left”. I’ve merely asked you to support, with specific and reasoned argument, your assertion that liberals are so involved with “Leftist insurgency methods and cellular systems” and to such a degree, that there is no practicable difference between liberals and a Far Left that you insist is a false distinction.

Perhaps only suffering will make the majority of liberals understand in their heart of hearts, the true nature of the Left but one cannot read the comments on this blog and many others without concluding that many on the right apprehend the “true nature of the left”.

“What reasons do you have to hate the Left? What reasons do you have to hate evil period…”

If Jefferson’s, “I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” is not sufficient reason to hate the left, then I have nothing better to offer.

One cannot love God, one cannot embrace the truth of Christ’s declaration that, “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends” and remain indifferent to evil.

“You don’t have as much time as you think you do”

You base this assumption upon ignorance, of the one to whom you accuse.

[Many American’s] “have ‘given up’ on what it means to be American.”

Perhaps but few on the right. You mistake recognition of the condition within which we reside for abandonment of that with which we have believed. Emotions and principles are two entirely different things. Despair may visit or even take up residence but the abandonment of lived principle is not for many, an option.

all you find of interest and fun is debating on the internet.

It is not debate or even agreement that I value but clarity and getting to the heart of the matter. That you project false motivations upon others, in order to avoid the obligation of reasoned response, indicates a failure of self-examination. Remaining imprisoned within your own false assumptions does me no harm, only yourself.

You can’t go back to the limited government where the 10th Amendment actually means something without a fundamental transformation. A fundamental transformation that would be difficult or painful for many or most people, and one few people want, even in the Tea Party. “

Agreed, though with the caveat that a different fundamental transformation, one that returned America to the 10th amendment principle that you allude to, can be achieved, as gradually and as incrementally as the left has moved America into an increasingly entitlement oriented society.

Medical savings accounts and the Ryan plan for transforming social security demonstrate methods for movement away from entitlements, while protecting those currently dependent upon them.

“I’ll note that leftist revolution, in France, Russia, Spain, and elsewhere tend to end up feeding on their own.”

No doubt American liberals would be ‘fed upon’ by the left, should it attain the power it seeks. However, European leftist revolutions did not start with a population inculcated in a deeply held belief in their ‘unalienable rights’.

Something that conservatives tend to overlook is that liberals believe in their unalienable rights, as much, as does the right. True, many liberals do not believe in the unalienable rights of those with whom they disagree but when they discover that denial of rights to some, inevitably leads to denial of rights to all, many will tune change their tune.

What that eventuates too is that the left cannot, in the long run, win. It can destroy, it can tyrannize for generations but in the end it eats its own and destroys the very resources that gave it, its power.

In the long run, evil ALWAYS destroys itself. Evil always brings about its own eventual downfall, as it must, for its premises allow for no other outcome.

You have no idea how to fight the Leftist alliance. Not any more than Republicans do in the US, and you will be no more successful given the limited amount of resources.

The fact that you refuse to accept the reality of the Left, means that nothing you will “hear” or “read” here will do you any good.

Only suffering will make people understand in their heart of hearts what the true nature of the Left is. Only when the boot of evil crushes your child’s head, will you finally understood. Until then, do not expect to understand anything of worth by reading things, not even the material I might have provided to you.

How much have you suffered, Mr. Geoffrey of the United States of America? What reasons do you have to hate the Left? What reasons do you have to hate evil period…

You don’t have as much time as you think you do, living in your luxurious Golden Age. As more and more time progresses, more and more Americans will give up. To the point where even after a US Civil War is over and done with, the remaining factions will fight and slaughter each other over the spoils, for they have ‘given up’ on what it means to be American.

Your nation is dying through torture, and all you find of interest and fun is debating on the internet. Good luck with that.

That you make no distinction between Obama, his cabal and the tens of thousands of radical leftist Americans and the millions duped by decades of indoctrination by academia and the MSM into political support for leftist politicians and their ‘solutions’ while remaining ignorant of the true aims of the committed left and the actual consequences of liberal political support for the Far Left is instructive.

I’ll note that leftist revolution, in France, Russia, Spain, and elsewhere tend to end up feeding on their own.

The Democrats are a coalition of a bunch of very different, but disfunctional, groups. Most won’t show us mercy, but likewise won’t receive it from their allies . . .