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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/15/zombie-emails-the-nsa-with-a-polite-request/#comment-614971</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking of mental disorders, Instapundit  linked to an article by James Taranto about some new work done by a Professor Barbara Oakley on the subject of pathological altruism.

Here&#039;s a sample: 
&quot;Empathy, Oakley notes, &quot;is not a uniformly positive attribute. It is associated with emotional contagion; hindsight bias; motivated reasoning; caring only for those we like or who comprise our in-group (parochial altruism); jumping to conclusions; and inappropriate feelings of guilt in noncooperators who refuse to follow orders to hurt others.&quot; It also can produce bad public policy:

Ostensibly well-meaning governmental policy promoted home ownership, a beneficial goal that stabilizes families and communities. The government-sponsored enterprises Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae allowed less-than-qualified individuals to receive housing loans and encouraged more-qualified borrowers to overextend themselves. Typical risk—reward considerations were marginalized because of implicit government support. The government used these agencies to promote social goals without acknowledging the risk or cost. When economic conditions faltered, many lost their homes or found themselves with properties worth far less than they originally had paid. Government policy then shifted . . . the cost of this &quot;altruism&quot; to the public, to pay off the too-big-to-fail banks then holding securitized subprime loans. . . . Altruistic intentions played a critical role in the development and unfolding of the housing bubble in the United States.&quot;


Read it all here: 
http://tinyurl.com/klq3nhz

Patholigical altruism seems to be the default position of the liberal mindset. They want  to do good and  are convinced they know what to  do. The housing bubble is just one of many such attempts to do good things that end up actually causing the situation to be worse in the long  run.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of mental disorders, Instapundit  linked to an article by James Taranto about some new work done by a Professor Barbara Oakley on the subject of pathological altruism.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a sample:<br />
&#8220;Empathy, Oakley notes, &#8220;is not a uniformly positive attribute. It is associated with emotional contagion; hindsight bias; motivated reasoning; caring only for those we like or who comprise our in-group (parochial altruism); jumping to conclusions; and inappropriate feelings of guilt in noncooperators who refuse to follow orders to hurt others.&#8221; It also can produce bad public policy:</p>
<p>Ostensibly well-meaning governmental policy promoted home ownership, a beneficial goal that stabilizes families and communities. The government-sponsored enterprises Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae allowed less-than-qualified individuals to receive housing loans and encouraged more-qualified borrowers to overextend themselves. Typical risk—reward considerations were marginalized because of implicit government support. The government used these agencies to promote social goals without acknowledging the risk or cost. When economic conditions faltered, many lost their homes or found themselves with properties worth far less than they originally had paid. Government policy then shifted . . . the cost of this &#8220;altruism&#8221; to the public, to pay off the too-big-to-fail banks then holding securitized subprime loans. . . . Altruistic intentions played a critical role in the development and unfolding of the housing bubble in the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read it all here:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/klq3nhz" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/klq3nhz</a></p>
<p>Patholigical altruism seems to be the default position of the liberal mindset. They want  to do good and  are convinced they know what to  do. The housing bubble is just one of many such attempts to do good things that end up actually causing the situation to be worse in the long  run.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/15/zombie-emails-the-nsa-with-a-polite-request/#comment-614714</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 02:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.alchemyinstitute.com/false-memory.html

I don&#039;t call it that. I call it brainwashing, which is what it is. A very amateur, inefficient, method some Leftist wannabe psych(o)iatrists took up on.

But the program, in its bare bones, was most likely derived from personality implantation and interrogation (torture) protocols that utilized drugs, stress, and other tricks to make a person change their allegiance, change their core beliefs, or basically just be turned into a zombie fanatic for a new cause.

There are more efficient and effective (time wise) methods for breaking a person and remaking them. This was just the Left&#039;s civilian application test program. A mere test.

One of the reasons why people vote for the LEft isn&#039;t because of politics or because they get goodies. Although that&#039;s nice. It&#039;s because they&#039;ve been indoctrinated. And if people think indoctrination is just &quot;learning things&quot; and hating what people find naturally disgusting, they should consider the other options. How a person can be stripped of free will and made to think and do whatever it is they are told to do. Such methods exist. Some people are stronger and weaker than others to it, but such methods have always worked and will continue to work.

Most of what people know about Democrat politics and Leftist antics is really just the shallow surface of the iceberg, rather than what&#039;s underneath it. Which is natural, but not conducive to strategic overall vision.]]></description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t call it that. I call it brainwashing, which is what it is. A very amateur, inefficient, method some Leftist wannabe psych(o)iatrists took up on.</p>
<p>But the program, in its bare bones, was most likely derived from personality implantation and interrogation (torture) protocols that utilized drugs, stress, and other tricks to make a person change their allegiance, change their core beliefs, or basically just be turned into a zombie fanatic for a new cause.</p>
<p>There are more efficient and effective (time wise) methods for breaking a person and remaking them. This was just the Left&#8217;s civilian application test program. A mere test.</p>
<p>One of the reasons why people vote for the LEft isn&#8217;t because of politics or because they get goodies. Although that&#8217;s nice. It&#8217;s because they&#8217;ve been indoctrinated. And if people think indoctrination is just &#8220;learning things&#8221; and hating what people find naturally disgusting, they should consider the other options. How a person can be stripped of free will and made to think and do whatever it is they are told to do. Such methods exist. Some people are stronger and weaker than others to it, but such methods have always worked and will continue to work.</p>
<p>Most of what people know about Democrat politics and Leftist antics is really just the shallow surface of the iceberg, rather than what&#8217;s underneath it. Which is natural, but not conducive to strategic overall vision.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/15/zombie-emails-the-nsa-with-a-polite-request/#comment-614652</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 00:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;I do wonder though. If the Leftist alliance thinks we’ll bring a gun to the fight, what they will counter that with?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

The DHS, FBI, National Guard and as a final back-up the American regular military. All of which have become considerably more politically correct under Obama and all of whose leadership increasingly views Tea Party style conservatives, Catholics and the &#039;religious right&#039; as extremists. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Obama administration Pentagon appointees [are] meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith. 

...Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I do wonder though. If the Leftist alliance thinks we’ll bring a gun to the fight, what they will counter that with?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>The DHS, FBI, National Guard and as a final back-up the American regular military. All of which have become considerably more politically correct under Obama and all of whose leadership increasingly views Tea Party style conservatives, Catholics and the &#8216;religious right&#8217; as extremists. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Obama administration Pentagon appointees [are] meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith. </p>
<p>&#8230;Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians&#8211;including chaplains&#8211;sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”</i></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/15/zombie-emails-the-nsa-with-a-polite-request/#comment-614615</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 22:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/10/obama-flashback-if-they-bring-knife-fight-we-bring-gun

I do wonder though. If the Leftist alliance thinks we&#039;ll bring a gun to the fight, what they will counter that with?

Nukes?

Drone bombs and GPS bunker busters?

Forced psychology indoctrination and lobotomies for dissidents?]]></description>
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<p>I do wonder though. If the Leftist alliance thinks we&#8217;ll bring a gun to the fight, what they will counter that with?</p>
<p>Nukes?</p>
<p>Drone bombs and GPS bunker busters?</p>
<p>Forced psychology indoctrination and lobotomies for dissidents?</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 20:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ed.  And the fibbies know who home schools....
Who, I suspect, are more 2A-ish than the general population.
Jeeezus.  I used to be more optimistic, or less pessimistic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed.  And the fibbies know who home schools&#8230;.<br />
Who, I suspect, are more 2A-ish than the general population.<br />
Jeeezus.  I used to be more optimistic, or less pessimistic.</p>
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		By: Ed Bonderenka		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/15/zombie-emails-the-nsa-with-a-polite-request/#comment-614562</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bonderenka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymar: that&#039;s scary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar: that&#8217;s scary.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back during the 70s or maybe it was 80s (things came out in the 90s I seem to remember) that psychiatrists were implanting memories of being raped as a child into the heads of women.

The women, in turn, accused their fathers of child molestation. Conveniently, it turned out that it was all false. Hypnotically implanted memories, impressions on... foolish and weak minded souls.

Now I ask people to consider this. What makes anyone think the Leftist alliance has not weaponized this technology for public consumption in your children, on your political tv screens, and Hollywood sex/art movies?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back during the 70s or maybe it was 80s (things came out in the 90s I seem to remember) that psychiatrists were implanting memories of being raped as a child into the heads of women.</p>
<p>The women, in turn, accused their fathers of child molestation. Conveniently, it turned out that it was all false. Hypnotically implanted memories, impressions on&#8230; foolish and weak minded souls.</p>
<p>Now I ask people to consider this. What makes anyone think the Leftist alliance has not weaponized this technology for public consumption in your children, on your political tv screens, and Hollywood sex/art movies?</p>
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		By: Ed Bonderenka		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Bonderenka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t read On The Beach, but the movie was enough to keep me up at night and depressed for hours.
Fortunately, my favorite Book tells of a future less bleak. After a horrible transition period I trust no one would want to endure. Heh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t read On The Beach, but the movie was enough to keep me up at night and depressed for hours.<br />
Fortunately, my favorite Book tells of a future less bleak. After a horrible transition period I trust no one would want to endure. Heh.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don Carlos:

Does that shrink get third-party payments, or does he only see out-of-pocket patients? Because unless it&#039;s the latter, I don&#039;t see how he can avoid the DMS.  It&#039;s about the billing.  

Unless he just codes his patients pretty much the same, and uses just a few general categories.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Carlos:</p>
<p>Does that shrink get third-party payments, or does he only see out-of-pocket patients? Because unless it&#8217;s the latter, I don&#8217;t see how he can avoid the DMS.  It&#8217;s about the billing.  </p>
<p>Unless he just codes his patients pretty much the same, and uses just a few general categories.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I too read On the Beach and, IMO a more grimly depressing novel would be difficult to find. Perhaps no other end-of-the-world novel has approached its eloquence and quite horror. 

On a more uplifting but every bit as serious a read I would offer author &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/The-Disappearance-Bison-Frontiers-Imagination/dp/0803298412&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Philip Wylie, &quot;The Disappearance&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (1951). 

“The female of the species vanished on the afternoon of the second Tuesday of February at four minutes and fifty-two seconds past four o&#039;clock, Eastern Standard Time. The event occurred universally at the same instant, without regard to time belts, and was followed by such phenomena as might be expected after happenings of that nature.”
 
On a lazy, quiet afternoon, in the blink of an eye, our world shatters into two parallel universes as men vanish from women and women from men. After families and loved ones separate from one another, life continues in very different ways for men and women, boys and girls. 

An explosion of violence sweeps one world (men) that still operates technologically; social stability and peace in the other (women) are offset by famine and a widespread breakdown in machinery and science. 

And as we learn from the fascinating parallel stories of a brilliant couple, Bill and Paula Gaunt, the foundations of relationships, love, and sex are scrutinized, tested, and sometimes redefined in both worlds. The radically divergent trajectories of the gendered histories reveal stark truths about the rigidly defined expectations placed on men and women and their sexual relationships and make clear how much society depends on interconnection between the sexes.
 
Written over a half century ago yet brimming with insight and unsettling in its relevance today, &quot;The Disappearance&quot; is a masterpiece of modern speculative fiction.&quot; 

I read it approx. 50 yrs ago, haven&#039;t read it since and it still resonates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too read On the Beach and, IMO a more grimly depressing novel would be difficult to find. Perhaps no other end-of-the-world novel has approached its eloquence and quite horror. </p>
<p>On a more uplifting but every bit as serious a read I would offer author <a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Disappearance-Bison-Frontiers-Imagination/dp/0803298412" rel="nofollow"><b>Philip Wylie, &#8220;The Disappearance&#8221;</b></a> (1951). </p>
<p>“The female of the species vanished on the afternoon of the second Tuesday of February at four minutes and fifty-two seconds past four o&#8217;clock, Eastern Standard Time. The event occurred universally at the same instant, without regard to time belts, and was followed by such phenomena as might be expected after happenings of that nature.”</p>
<p>On a lazy, quiet afternoon, in the blink of an eye, our world shatters into two parallel universes as men vanish from women and women from men. After families and loved ones separate from one another, life continues in very different ways for men and women, boys and girls. </p>
<p>An explosion of violence sweeps one world (men) that still operates technologically; social stability and peace in the other (women) are offset by famine and a widespread breakdown in machinery and science. </p>
<p>And as we learn from the fascinating parallel stories of a brilliant couple, Bill and Paula Gaunt, the foundations of relationships, love, and sex are scrutinized, tested, and sometimes redefined in both worlds. The radically divergent trajectories of the gendered histories reveal stark truths about the rigidly defined expectations placed on men and women and their sexual relationships and make clear how much society depends on interconnection between the sexes.</p>
<p>Written over a half century ago yet brimming with insight and unsettling in its relevance today, &#8220;The Disappearance&#8221; is a masterpiece of modern speculative fiction.&#8221; </p>
<p>I read it approx. 50 yrs ago, haven&#8217;t read it since and it still resonates.</p>
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