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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/11/support-for-affirmative-action-is-down/#comment-613751</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By &quot;victor writes the history&quot;, I would interpret that to mean Democrats in the South.

Just as the victor after the Cold War were the ones teaching American kids how Marxism and Communism was pretty good.

Southerners couldn&#039;t stop voting Democrat until Reagan, at least out in the open. Jews, minorities, some women, inner city blacks... really can&#039;t help themselves but vote Democrat.

It&#039;s all that fear and cultural loyalty.

The ones who rewrote the South&#039;s own memories of their war... were the Democrats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;victor writes the history&#8221;, I would interpret that to mean Democrats in the South.</p>
<p>Just as the victor after the Cold War were the ones teaching American kids how Marxism and Communism was pretty good.</p>
<p>Southerners couldn&#8217;t stop voting Democrat until Reagan, at least out in the open. Jews, minorities, some women, inner city blacks&#8230; really can&#8217;t help themselves but vote Democrat.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all that fear and cultural loyalty.</p>
<p>The ones who rewrote the South&#8217;s own memories of their war&#8230; were the Democrats.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/11/support-for-affirmative-action-is-down/#comment-613749</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Georgia culture is a lot more robust and superior than where your live, Don Carlos.

The blood is thicker here, you could say. So is the heat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgia culture is a lot more robust and superior than where your live, Don Carlos.</p>
<p>The blood is thicker here, you could say. So is the heat.</p>
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		By: ziontruth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/11/support-for-affirmative-action-is-down/#comment-613166</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah, affirmative action...

I never understood how that term was devised in English. To me, &quot;affirmative action&quot; is a better description of nodding one&#039;s head in agreement than setting up racial quotas. I like the Hebrew term for it better: &lt;i&gt;aflaya metakkenet&lt;/i&gt;, literally &quot;corrective discrimination&quot;–an acknowledgement that, although the measures may be corrective, they&#039;re still discrimination.

They&#039;re not even corrective, though. I&#039;m glad to see that I oppose affirmative action on the same grounds as most commenters here: Because it goes against the ideal of a merit-based society. The best person for the job, the content of one&#039;s character, etc. Ideals that run contrary to the lazy opportunists (those who want to be rewarded without working for it–hey, that reminds me of somebody... oh, bummer, I can&#039;t remember who it is...) and the genetic determinists (those who think DNA is the same as destiny).

It all goes back to the issue of moral character, then. A moral nation needs no affirmative action to be free of racism; with an immoral nation, affirmative action will quickly become a form of institutional racism as bad as, sometimes worse than, the one it was supposed to correct.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, affirmative action&#8230;</p>
<p>I never understood how that term was devised in English. To me, &#8220;affirmative action&#8221; is a better description of nodding one&#8217;s head in agreement than setting up racial quotas. I like the Hebrew term for it better: <i>aflaya metakkenet</i>, literally &#8220;corrective discrimination&#8221;–an acknowledgement that, although the measures may be corrective, they&#8217;re still discrimination.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not even corrective, though. I&#8217;m glad to see that I oppose affirmative action on the same grounds as most commenters here: Because it goes against the ideal of a merit-based society. The best person for the job, the content of one&#8217;s character, etc. Ideals that run contrary to the lazy opportunists (those who want to be rewarded without working for it–hey, that reminds me of somebody&#8230; oh, bummer, I can&#8217;t remember who it is&#8230;) and the genetic determinists (those who think DNA is the same as destiny).</p>
<p>It all goes back to the issue of moral character, then. A moral nation needs no affirmative action to be free of racism; with an immoral nation, affirmative action will quickly become a form of institutional racism as bad as, sometimes worse than, the one it was supposed to correct.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What really drives me crazy about the race-card- playing lefties is that they are also supposed to be for empathy. Yet They tell blacks and let blacks tell everyone else that they are the only ones in the world who have ever suffered. Is there any effort to teach kids about what Ukranians went through under Stalin or the Chinese under Mao, or the Jews in Europe? I&#039;m not saying blacks didn&#039;t suffer discrimination, but it would be nice once in a while to hear a kid say how lucky he is to be in today&#039;s US. What are they thankful for on Thanksgiving day?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really drives me crazy about the race-card- playing lefties is that they are also supposed to be for empathy. Yet They tell blacks and let blacks tell everyone else that they are the only ones in the world who have ever suffered. Is there any effort to teach kids about what Ukranians went through under Stalin or the Chinese under Mao, or the Jews in Europe? I&#8217;m not saying blacks didn&#8217;t suffer discrimination, but it would be nice once in a while to hear a kid say how lucky he is to be in today&#8217;s US. What are they thankful for on Thanksgiving day?</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/11/support-for-affirmative-action-is-down/#comment-613149</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Carlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 18:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymar- your zip code does not tell who you are! I lived in NC decades ago and there is no doubt in anyone&#039;s mind it has since become Yankee-fied largely by in-migration.
Of course most history is written by the winners.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymar- your zip code does not tell who you are! I lived in NC decades ago and there is no doubt in anyone&#8217;s mind it has since become Yankee-fied largely by in-migration.<br />
Of course most history is written by the winners.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a strong cultural motivation not to look at one&#039;s own problem people and mistakes. Fear of an enemy taking advantage of it. Fear of facing their own demons and fighting their worst enemy, themselves. Fear of betraying the memory of their ancestors by bad mouthing what they did, when they did it, and what they knew and when.

These are human weaknesses. It&#039;s why blacks say someone is a race traitor or wannabe whitey if they go Republican (off the plantation).

Human weaknesses are the easiest way for totalitarian systems to maintain control

Those who live in the US who think they are immune because their &quot;culture is strong&quot;, have no conception of the power of Weapons of Mass Deception.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a strong cultural motivation not to look at one&#8217;s own problem people and mistakes. Fear of an enemy taking advantage of it. Fear of facing their own demons and fighting their worst enemy, themselves. Fear of betraying the memory of their ancestors by bad mouthing what they did, when they did it, and what they knew and when.</p>
<p>These are human weaknesses. It&#8217;s why blacks say someone is a race traitor or wannabe whitey if they go Republican (off the plantation).</p>
<p>Human weaknesses are the easiest way for totalitarian systems to maintain control</p>
<p>Those who live in the US who think they are immune because their &#8220;culture is strong&#8221;, have no conception of the power of Weapons of Mass Deception.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/11/support-for-affirmative-action-is-down/#comment-613135</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I live in Georgia, what is considered by some to be the Deep South at times, for more than 10 years.

What would really kill Don Carlos&#039; common sense perception (which is wrong because the history of the world is written by propagandists, not honest folks), is if Beverly lived in the North or North West or Middle Kansas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Georgia, what is considered by some to be the Deep South at times, for more than 10 years.</p>
<p>What would really kill Don Carlos&#8217; common sense perception (which is wrong because the history of the world is written by propagandists, not honest folks), is if Beverly lived in the North or North West or Middle Kansas.</p>
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		By: Wes Dorman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was applying to law school in the late 80s affirmative action was in full force and at that time the excuse was to &#039;remedy past discrimination&#039;.  Of course some Asians in California (and elsewhere) were soon saying WTF?? when they were getting turned away in higher numbers to colleges, despite facing severe and recent overt discrimination (FDR&#039;s internment camps, anyone?).  

Realizing that this made the whole house of cards fall down, leftists soon turned to &#039;diversity&#039; as their rationale, and here we are.   Of course the advantage of &#039;diversity&#039; to the &#039;remedy&#039; rationale is that the latter lets you continue to practice reverse discrimination against some groups in perpetuity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was applying to law school in the late 80s affirmative action was in full force and at that time the excuse was to &#8216;remedy past discrimination&#8217;.  Of course some Asians in California (and elsewhere) were soon saying WTF?? when they were getting turned away in higher numbers to colleges, despite facing severe and recent overt discrimination (FDR&#8217;s internment camps, anyone?).  </p>
<p>Realizing that this made the whole house of cards fall down, leftists soon turned to &#8216;diversity&#8217; as their rationale, and here we are.   Of course the advantage of &#8216;diversity&#8217; to the &#8216;remedy&#8217; rationale is that the latter lets you continue to practice reverse discrimination against some groups in perpetuity.</p>
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		By: CJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was on the wrong side of a racial preference policy. I recall vividly my two supervisors telling me that I could not apply for a promotion because of the company’s affirmative action policy. They had trouble looking me in the eye.

Even defenders of preferences know it is fundamentally wrong. They comfort themselves with the thought that the betrayal of their sense of fairness is only temporary, and justified to right historical wrongs. 

I survived my race-based rejection. In fact, if it hadn’t forced me to leave the city I grew up in I would not have met my wife. But how many white males were made bitter by the exclusion? How many racists did affirmative action create? We know if must have created some, the only question is how many.

I agree with Neo-Neocon…racial progress would have happened without affirmative action, and we would be a more healthy society if we hadn’t taken a shortcut. The same holds for forced school busing. Schools should reflect their communities. Schools would be racially mixed when the communities were racially mixed. Judges and politicians used their power to force white and black children to do what their parents would not: live together. Today, the racial education gap remains. What did we gain by forced busing and was it enough to justify such social engineering? The answer is clearly, no.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on the wrong side of a racial preference policy. I recall vividly my two supervisors telling me that I could not apply for a promotion because of the company’s affirmative action policy. They had trouble looking me in the eye.</p>
<p>Even defenders of preferences know it is fundamentally wrong. They comfort themselves with the thought that the betrayal of their sense of fairness is only temporary, and justified to right historical wrongs. </p>
<p>I survived my race-based rejection. In fact, if it hadn’t forced me to leave the city I grew up in I would not have met my wife. But how many white males were made bitter by the exclusion? How many racists did affirmative action create? We know if must have created some, the only question is how many.</p>
<p>I agree with Neo-Neocon…racial progress would have happened without affirmative action, and we would be a more healthy society if we hadn’t taken a shortcut. The same holds for forced school busing. Schools should reflect their communities. Schools would be racially mixed when the communities were racially mixed. Judges and politicians used their power to force white and black children to do what their parents would not: live together. Today, the racial education gap remains. What did we gain by forced busing and was it enough to justify such social engineering? The answer is clearly, no.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems pretty likely from their comments that Ymar is a Yankee and Beverly is not.

FWIW (nothing), to me, the War was principally about States&#039; Rights, with slavery as a fulcrum issue. The Union (the Federal State) won, the States lost, and that is the enduring heritage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems pretty likely from their comments that Ymar is a Yankee and Beverly is not.</p>
<p>FWIW (nothing), to me, the War was principally about States&#8217; Rights, with slavery as a fulcrum issue. The Union (the Federal State) won, the States lost, and that is the enduring heritage.</p>
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