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		By: Michael Adams		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/11/mary-was-merry-when-she-decided-to-marry/#comment-613357</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 03:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Y&#039;all is an attempt to write the Old English &#039;eall&#039; for &#039;all.&quot;If eall are coming, come on now.&quot; Attempts to write dialect produce some fairly bizarre gobbledygook. Old English became a virtually unwritten language for a couple of centuries after the Norman conquest, in 1066.No doubt y&#039;all have seen the &#039;can not&#039; contraction spelled as &#039;cain&#039;t&#039;. What the speaker was actually doing was pronouncing the Old English Aesh, which you can only say if you grew up in some parts of the South.  I have forced my own children to practice this particular linguistic fossil. I have known one cunning linguist in my life who was able to duplicate the Aesh. 

Once, my wife and two friends and I were clearing up after a church coffee hour, Lisa, who grew up in South America, but whose parents were Mississippians, my wife and I are both from Northeast Texas and Lily, whose mother was from southern Louisiana, and whose &quot;Black&quot; speech was rounded over by growing up in San Antonio. With just the four of us there, we slipped into our native tongue, pure upland Southern, with &quot;R&#039;S as strong as they were first heard on the docks as people debarked from Northern Ireland and Scotland.&quot;Can you reach me that, please?  &quot;I might could.  Lemme see.&quot; Our normal speech is such homogenized American, we rarely think about the fact that it is a later acquired language. But we spent a very relaxed afternoon, speaking the language of our mothers, now departed this life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all is an attempt to write the Old English &#8216;eall&#8217; for &#8216;all.&#8221;If eall are coming, come on now.&#8221; Attempts to write dialect produce some fairly bizarre gobbledygook. Old English became a virtually unwritten language for a couple of centuries after the Norman conquest, in 1066.No doubt y&#8217;all have seen the &#8216;can not&#8217; contraction spelled as &#8216;cain&#8217;t&#8217;. What the speaker was actually doing was pronouncing the Old English Aesh, which you can only say if you grew up in some parts of the South.  I have forced my own children to practice this particular linguistic fossil. I have known one cunning linguist in my life who was able to duplicate the Aesh. </p>
<p>Once, my wife and two friends and I were clearing up after a church coffee hour, Lisa, who grew up in South America, but whose parents were Mississippians, my wife and I are both from Northeast Texas and Lily, whose mother was from southern Louisiana, and whose &#8220;Black&#8221; speech was rounded over by growing up in San Antonio. With just the four of us there, we slipped into our native tongue, pure upland Southern, with &#8220;R&#8217;S as strong as they were first heard on the docks as people debarked from Northern Ireland and Scotland.&#8221;Can you reach me that, please?  &#8220;I might could.  Lemme see.&#8221; Our normal speech is such homogenized American, we rarely think about the fact that it is a later acquired language. But we spent a very relaxed afternoon, speaking the language of our mothers, now departed this life.</p>
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		By: Paul in Boston		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul in Boston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I once went to city hall to get some papers notarized.  The clerk introduced herself as Dawna.  I thought to myself, Boston Irish, must be Donna from Southie or Dorchester, correctly pronounced Dawchestah.  Nope, turns out her given name is Dawna.  Her mother had a sense of humor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once went to city hall to get some papers notarized.  The clerk introduced herself as Dawna.  I thought to myself, Boston Irish, must be Donna from Southie or Dorchester, correctly pronounced Dawchestah.  Nope, turns out her given name is Dawna.  Her mother had a sense of humor.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Knucklehead,

Your daughter&#039;s story reminded me of a similar occurance with our oldest son.  In the second grade he was asked to identify correct sentences.  One of the sentences &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt; marked incorrect was the following:  &quot;Suzie sits in the sun.&quot;

Of course the teacher said that &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; a correct sentence.  When we asked him &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; he thought it incorrect he responded:  &quot;Because if she sat in the &lt;i&gt;sun&lt;/i&gt; she would burn up.&quot;

We pointed this out to the teacher at our conference and we all had a giggle about it, but of course, our second grader was absolutely correct.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knucklehead,</p>
<p>Your daughter&#8217;s story reminded me of a similar occurance with our oldest son.  In the second grade he was asked to identify correct sentences.  One of the sentences <i>he</i> marked incorrect was the following:  &#8220;Suzie sits in the sun.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course the teacher said that <i>was</i> a correct sentence.  When we asked him <i>why</i> he thought it incorrect he responded:  &#8220;Because if she sat in the <i>sun</i> she would burn up.&#8221;</p>
<p>We pointed this out to the teacher at our conference and we all had a giggle about it, but of course, our second grader was absolutely correct.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Coming on:
Young, getting to early middle aged women saying &quot;Yuss&quot; and &quot;dusk&quot; for &quot;yes&#039; and &quot;desk&quot;.  Not, afaict, regional.  Other &quot;yes&quot;-sounding words suffering the same fate.
Same demographic opening up the &quot;fat&quot;, &quot;that&quot; to &quot;faht&quot;, &quot;thaht&quot; &quot;fahst&quot;, &quot;fahmily&quot; and similar vowel shifts.  And they seem to linger a half a second, as if they enjoy it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming on:<br />
Young, getting to early middle aged women saying &#8220;Yuss&#8221; and &#8220;dusk&#8221; for &#8220;yes&#8217; and &#8220;desk&#8221;.  Not, afaict, regional.  Other &#8220;yes&#8221;-sounding words suffering the same fate.<br />
Same demographic opening up the &#8220;fat&#8221;, &#8220;that&#8221; to &#8220;faht&#8221;, &#8220;thaht&#8221; &#8220;fahst&#8221;, &#8220;fahmily&#8221; and similar vowel shifts.  And they seem to linger a half a second, as if they enjoy it.</p>
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		By: Knucklehead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Knucklehead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 15:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, the missing R&#039;s!  And that NY metro habit of switch the position of &quot;k&quot; and &quot;s&quot; - I aksed Anitar faw a date but she needs to warsh huh haiyah tonigh.  (gotta drop most ending T&#039;s and G&#039;s also).

And where I grew up in NJ we said &quot;frog&quot; and &quot;dawg&quot;.  One of my favorite little vignettes from my youngest daughters earliest school days was the time she came home furious because she&#039;d gotten a rhyme question wrong on a test.  She&#039;d taken &quot;none of the above&quot; since &quot;dawg&quot; most certainly did NOT rhyme with &quot;fog&quot;.

Sunshowers are marvelous.  Loved &#039;em since I was a kid.  But I like tundah stahms too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the missing R&#8217;s!  And that NY metro habit of switch the position of &#8220;k&#8221; and &#8220;s&#8221; &#8211; I aksed Anitar faw a date but she needs to warsh huh haiyah tonigh.  (gotta drop most ending T&#8217;s and G&#8217;s also).</p>
<p>And where I grew up in NJ we said &#8220;frog&#8221; and &#8220;dawg&#8221;.  One of my favorite little vignettes from my youngest daughters earliest school days was the time she came home furious because she&#8217;d gotten a rhyme question wrong on a test.  She&#8217;d taken &#8220;none of the above&#8221; since &#8220;dawg&#8221; most certainly did NOT rhyme with &#8220;fog&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sunshowers are marvelous.  Loved &#8217;em since I was a kid.  But I like tundah stahms too.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/11/mary-was-merry-when-she-decided-to-marry/#comment-612993</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Susanamantha,

&quot;Coal Oyl&quot; was also the name of Olive Oyl&#039;s father in the Thimble Theatre &quot;Popeye&quot; cartoons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susanamantha,</p>
<p>&#8220;Coal Oyl&#8221; was also the name of Olive Oyl&#8217;s father in the Thimble Theatre &#8220;Popeye&#8221; cartoons.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This topic also jogged a memory.  Quite a few years ago PBS did a series called &lt;i&gt;The Story of English&lt;/i&gt; hosted by Robert MacNeil (of MacNeil/Lehrer fame).  It was a fascinating look at our mother tongue which I was fortunate enough to tape.

One of the memories which stands vivid is about several islands in the Outer Banks where English is still spoken almost exactly as it was in the days of William Shakespeare and the decided difference in the English imported by settlers to New England which was different from the English imported further to the U.S. coastal South.  (Teaser:  The &quot;hoiddy toiddy&quot; were the well-to-do visitors to the island who could only sail out to it during high tide---dialectly pronounced &quot;hoi toid.&quot;)

Don&#039;t know if it&#039;s available on DVD, but some readers may want to reference the series.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic also jogged a memory.  Quite a few years ago PBS did a series called <i>The Story of English</i> hosted by Robert MacNeil (of MacNeil/Lehrer fame).  It was a fascinating look at our mother tongue which I was fortunate enough to tape.</p>
<p>One of the memories which stands vivid is about several islands in the Outer Banks where English is still spoken almost exactly as it was in the days of William Shakespeare and the decided difference in the English imported by settlers to New England which was different from the English imported further to the U.S. coastal South.  (Teaser:  The &#8220;hoiddy toiddy&#8221; were the well-to-do visitors to the island who could only sail out to it during high tide&#8212;dialectly pronounced &#8220;hoi toid.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s available on DVD, but some readers may want to reference the series.</p>
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		By: Susanamantha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susanamantha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ohio born and bred, I&#039;m with Neo and scottthebadger.

Try to find the different pronunciations of the word &quot;oil&quot; for a few laughs. My mom grew up in southern Indiana and northern Kentucky hearing &quot;oil&quot; pronounced &quot;erl&quot; although her parents taught her to say it correctly. Kerosene was called &quot;coal oal&quot; or, weirdly, &quot;coil erl&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio born and bred, I&#8217;m with Neo and scottthebadger.</p>
<p>Try to find the different pronunciations of the word &#8220;oil&#8221; for a few laughs. My mom grew up in southern Indiana and northern Kentucky hearing &#8220;oil&#8221; pronounced &#8220;erl&#8221; although her parents taught her to say it correctly. Kerosene was called &#8220;coal oal&#8221; or, weirdly, &#8220;coil erl&#8221;.</p>
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		By: scottthebadger		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/06/11/mary-was-merry-when-she-decided-to-marry/#comment-612926</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scottthebadger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 07:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I pronounce those three as Neo does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pronounce those three as Neo does.</p>
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		By: Mac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 03:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was afraid there would be confusion about the rhyme guides being themselves ambiguous. 

There is a particular accent heard occasionally in the south, now passing away I think, in which &quot;Mary&quot; is &quot;May-ree&quot;. &quot;May&quot; as in &quot;merry month of&quot;. I guess I have a bit of it, as I grew up pronouncing &quot;Sarah&quot; as &quot;Sayrah&quot; and didn&#039;t know it wasn&#039;t normal until someone remarked on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was afraid there would be confusion about the rhyme guides being themselves ambiguous. </p>
<p>There is a particular accent heard occasionally in the south, now passing away I think, in which &#8220;Mary&#8221; is &#8220;May-ree&#8221;. &#8220;May&#8221; as in &#8220;merry month of&#8221;. I guess I have a bit of it, as I grew up pronouncing &#8220;Sarah&#8221; as &#8220;Sayrah&#8221; and didn&#8217;t know it wasn&#8217;t normal until someone remarked on it.</p>
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