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		By: n.n		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The people in government do not possess a superior morality to the general public.  In fact, the current administration has demonstrated it does not respect individual dignity and does not value human life equally.  There is absolutely no reason to trust these individuals.  They must be kept in check by competing interests, including all American citizens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people in government do not possess a superior morality to the general public.  In fact, the current administration has demonstrated it does not respect individual dignity and does not value human life equally.  There is absolutely no reason to trust these individuals.  They must be kept in check by competing interests, including all American citizens.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 05:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If i had not spent all that time reading, i would not have such a impressive knowledge, nor the wisdom that comes from so much experience in concentrated form delivered unto me.&quot;

Yes, I can see you&#039;ve read a lot, Art.

&quot;Chapter 68

The great generals are not warlike
The great warriors do not get angry
Those who are good at defeating enemies do not engage them
Those who are good at managing people lower themselves
It is called the virtue of non-contention
It is called the power of managing people
It is called being harmonious with Heaven
The ultimate principle of the ancients&quot;-Tao Te Ching

Those who know much, do not speak of how much they know.

&quot;Chapter 71

To know that you do not know is highest
To not know but think you know is flawed

Only when one recognizes the fault as a fault
can one be without fault

The sages are without fault
Because they recognize the fault as a fault
That is why they are without fault&quot;

&quot;Chapter 75

The people&#039;s hunger
Is due to the excess of their ruler&#039;s taxation
So they starve
The people&#039;s difficulty in being governed
Is due to the meddling of their ruler
So they are difficult to govern
The people&#039;s disregard for death
Is due to the glut in their ruler&#039;s pursuit of life
So they disregard death
Therefore those who do not strive for living
Are better than those who value living&quot;

&quot;Chapter 81

True words are not beautiful
Beautiful words are not true
Those who are good do not debate
Those who debate are not good
Those who know are not broad of knowledge
Those who are broad of knowledge do not know

Sages do not accumulate
The more they assist others, the more they possess
The more they give to others, the more they gain

The Tao of heaven
Benefits and does not harm
The Tao of sages
Assists and does not contend&quot;

Yes, they had taxes even so many thousands of years ago. And they had Obamas too.

Anyone who has read the ancient texts should know what to do now, since the wisdom transfered 100%.

But I don&#039;t think knowledge or wisdom transfers like that. Reading a book and using it to form one&#039;s own view is one thing. Reading books for the purposes of finding authors to tell you how to think and what to think... is something else entirely.

Knowing how to think for yourself, make decisions for yourself, requires discarding the opinions, ideas, and views of other people. Just as marrying the one woman you love requires discarding emotions and intimate relationships with other potential brides. To choose one person&#039;s happiness, means another won&#039;t be happy.

Muslims burned the ancient books of knowledge and wisdom because the material was not contained in the Koran. They wanted you to read and obey the Koran. Because reading something and then doing whatever it says... is pretty useful for peace (peace=slavery).

Those who cannot change themselves for the better... those who do not even want to, have no ability to change the world and its people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If i had not spent all that time reading, i would not have such a impressive knowledge, nor the wisdom that comes from so much experience in concentrated form delivered unto me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I can see you&#8217;ve read a lot, Art.</p>
<p>&#8220;Chapter 68</p>
<p>The great generals are not warlike<br />
The great warriors do not get angry<br />
Those who are good at defeating enemies do not engage them<br />
Those who are good at managing people lower themselves<br />
It is called the virtue of non-contention<br />
It is called the power of managing people<br />
It is called being harmonious with Heaven<br />
The ultimate principle of the ancients&#8221;-Tao Te Ching</p>
<p>Those who know much, do not speak of how much they know.</p>
<p>&#8220;Chapter 71</p>
<p>To know that you do not know is highest<br />
To not know but think you know is flawed</p>
<p>Only when one recognizes the fault as a fault<br />
can one be without fault</p>
<p>The sages are without fault<br />
Because they recognize the fault as a fault<br />
That is why they are without fault&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Chapter 75</p>
<p>The people&#8217;s hunger<br />
Is due to the excess of their ruler&#8217;s taxation<br />
So they starve<br />
The people&#8217;s difficulty in being governed<br />
Is due to the meddling of their ruler<br />
So they are difficult to govern<br />
The people&#8217;s disregard for death<br />
Is due to the glut in their ruler&#8217;s pursuit of life<br />
So they disregard death<br />
Therefore those who do not strive for living<br />
Are better than those who value living&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Chapter 81</p>
<p>True words are not beautiful<br />
Beautiful words are not true<br />
Those who are good do not debate<br />
Those who debate are not good<br />
Those who know are not broad of knowledge<br />
Those who are broad of knowledge do not know</p>
<p>Sages do not accumulate<br />
The more they assist others, the more they possess<br />
The more they give to others, the more they gain</p>
<p>The Tao of heaven<br />
Benefits and does not harm<br />
The Tao of sages<br />
Assists and does not contend&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, they had taxes even so many thousands of years ago. And they had Obamas too.</p>
<p>Anyone who has read the ancient texts should know what to do now, since the wisdom transfered 100%.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think knowledge or wisdom transfers like that. Reading a book and using it to form one&#8217;s own view is one thing. Reading books for the purposes of finding authors to tell you how to think and what to think&#8230; is something else entirely.</p>
<p>Knowing how to think for yourself, make decisions for yourself, requires discarding the opinions, ideas, and views of other people. Just as marrying the one woman you love requires discarding emotions and intimate relationships with other potential brides. To choose one person&#8217;s happiness, means another won&#8217;t be happy.</p>
<p>Muslims burned the ancient books of knowledge and wisdom because the material was not contained in the Koran. They wanted you to read and obey the Koran. Because reading something and then doing whatever it says&#8230; is pretty useful for peace (peace=slavery).</p>
<p>Those who cannot change themselves for the better&#8230; those who do not even want to, have no ability to change the world and its people.</p>
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		By: carl in atlanta		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jeez, how can I say this without giving offense to anyone?  Please believe that none is intended.

 This is one of my favorites blogs, partly because of the insightful and reasoned comments. By all of you. But some of the rhetoric in this thread seems -- how can I say this? --   potentially counterproductive. Especially given current events.  Hey, ix-nay on the extremeray evolutionary-ray alk-tay, ok?  

   If we&#039;ve learned anything in 2013 it&#039;s that big brother is  watching.

Also: Don&#039;t give up (quite yet) on the rule of law. Remember those elections in 2010 and resolve to make em happen again!


 See http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, how can I say this without giving offense to anyone?  Please believe that none is intended.</p>
<p> This is one of my favorites blogs, partly because of the insightful and reasoned comments. By all of you. But some of the rhetoric in this thread seems &#8212; how can I say this? &#8212;   potentially counterproductive. Especially given current events.  Hey, ix-nay on the extremeray evolutionary-ray alk-tay, ok?  </p>
<p>   If we&#8217;ve learned anything in 2013 it&#8217;s that big brother is  watching.</p>
<p>Also: Don&#8217;t give up (quite yet) on the rule of law. Remember those elections in 2010 and resolve to make em happen again!</p>
<p> See <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383</a></p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 05:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ve been thinking:

With all the surveillance, maybe it’s time to start talking openly about revolution. I mean the whole nine yards: Assassinating politicians, blowing up government buildings, targeting wives and children of IRS officials, you name it. Let it all hang out. The more lurid the better.

If each of us starts talking and writing like this on a continual basis, it may overwhelm the system.  It&#039;s like jamming radio signals.  They won&#039;t be able to tell the difference between actual threats and people who are just blowing smoke.

Then, when the time comes, patriots who are making &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; plans may be able to slip through all the noise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been thinking:</p>
<p>With all the surveillance, maybe it’s time to start talking openly about revolution. I mean the whole nine yards: Assassinating politicians, blowing up government buildings, targeting wives and children of IRS officials, you name it. Let it all hang out. The more lurid the better.</p>
<p>If each of us starts talking and writing like this on a continual basis, it may overwhelm the system.  It&#8217;s like jamming radio signals.  They won&#8217;t be able to tell the difference between actual threats and people who are just blowing smoke.</p>
<p>Then, when the time comes, patriots who are making <i>real</i> plans may be able to slip through all the noise.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 02:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What are we to do, to win?&quot;

If you have the will, then improve your own personal capabilities. By that I don&#039;t mean any kind of &quot;abstract spiritual journey&quot;. This may be a cop out in some ways, but it&#039;s where I started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZvXpO1fzfI

I try not to tell people what to do, because whether they do it is up to them. Anything I do is not going to equate to internal motivation. But if you are motivated, but do not know what path to take, learn that at least. I know it helped me get many things clear, but I cannot say it&#039;ll 100% help others determine their path in life.

Learning it is enough. Whether you use it or not... well that&#039;s up to you.

The ultimate proof in my eyes of a person&#039;s resolute determination is whether they would be willing to kill or die for the cause. Since pacifists are willing to die, but not kill, obviously we got a problem in this war if all someone is willing to do is die. That alone is a powerful faith, whether Christian or otherwise, but that alone is not enough to win. Death, as well as life, must be embraced, for they are merely two sides of the same coin.

Those who have the will to kill another human being, breaking all social taboos and limitations placed upon them, will find it much easier to face the Left and to do whatever they decide needs doing.

Given that this is America, fastest way is to buy TFT&#039;s Nuclear Weapons dvd series. Their training process works even through the net. Plenty of weapons going to be floating around sooner or later. If not in our hands, then in the hands of paid thugs.

&quot;It is unforgivable to rise to control by exploiting the dream of this country and then use that control to destroy the dream.&quot;

That is the Left&#039;s favored &quot;class warfare&quot;. Bring down two best friends by making them fight each other to death... merely for entertainment. Breaking up a marriage by raping the woman and having the husband divorce her because he thought she was in an affair. The Left specializes in these things. But what do we specialize in?

I can&#039;t offer anything &quot;innovative&quot; or &quot;better&quot;. For the road I&#039;ve taken is the road I&#039;m still on.

&quot;But violence cannot be the way to restore the rule of law and reason; that is self-contradictory, destroying the idea by defending it. &quot;

You&#039;ve seen it done before. Iraq. The surge. These methods work, at least when good people keep fighting instead of being ordered to Stand Down.

It doesn&#039;t matter to me whether people think it is right or wrong to execute Leftists. That may never be a decision we are in a position to decide. But protecting yourself, having the power to do so, will at least give a little bit of defense to the people of the US. So that when the time comes, if they make the decision to be part of one side or the other in this war, at least they won&#039;t be someone&#039;s sex slave while at it.

The Left&#039;s weapons destroy the mind, the soul, and the heart. The way of the warrior reinforces all 3.

&quot;Achieve your mission with all your might.
Despair not until your last breath.
Make your death count!&quot; - Motto of Isumi&#039;s Valkyries

&quot;Cause pain before you injure. Injure before you maim. Maim before you kill. And if you must kill, make it a clean kill. Squeeze every drop of life from the opponent. Because life is so precious, it cannot be wasted, even in death.&quot;

“Let him cut your skin, and you cut his flesh. Let him cut your flesh, and you cut his bones. Let him cut your bones, and you cut off his life.”

&quot;&#039;He either fears his fate too much,
    Or his desert is small,
Who fears to put it to the touch,
    And win or lose it all.&#039; - Montrose&#039;s Toast

    Y&#039;all got on this boat for different reasons, but y&#039;all come to the same place. So now I&#039;m asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this - they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They&#039;ll swing back to the belief that they can make people... better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin&#039;. I aim to misbehave.

---Captain Mal Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) Serenity

&quot;To be honest I do not think whether they live or die is the matter at hand. Life is not always better than death. It is not that simple. Living and being made to live are very different things. What matters is what the person chooses of their own free will. Whether or not it can be achieved or how difficult it is.

I want you to think about this: imagine if what matters most to you was taken away against your will. If that is indeed worth less than your life&quot;

In the end, words are not truth. Action is closer, but still not there. People are going to have to decide for themselves (even if it is a once in a life time thing) what they will countenance, what they will do, what is right, what is wrong, what is beautiful, what is ugly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What are we to do, to win?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you have the will, then improve your own personal capabilities. By that I don&#8217;t mean any kind of &#8220;abstract spiritual journey&#8221;. This may be a cop out in some ways, but it&#8217;s where I started.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZvXpO1fzfI" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZvXpO1fzfI</a></p>
<p>I try not to tell people what to do, because whether they do it is up to them. Anything I do is not going to equate to internal motivation. But if you are motivated, but do not know what path to take, learn that at least. I know it helped me get many things clear, but I cannot say it&#8217;ll 100% help others determine their path in life.</p>
<p>Learning it is enough. Whether you use it or not&#8230; well that&#8217;s up to you.</p>
<p>The ultimate proof in my eyes of a person&#8217;s resolute determination is whether they would be willing to kill or die for the cause. Since pacifists are willing to die, but not kill, obviously we got a problem in this war if all someone is willing to do is die. That alone is a powerful faith, whether Christian or otherwise, but that alone is not enough to win. Death, as well as life, must be embraced, for they are merely two sides of the same coin.</p>
<p>Those who have the will to kill another human being, breaking all social taboos and limitations placed upon them, will find it much easier to face the Left and to do whatever they decide needs doing.</p>
<p>Given that this is America, fastest way is to buy TFT&#8217;s Nuclear Weapons dvd series. Their training process works even through the net. Plenty of weapons going to be floating around sooner or later. If not in our hands, then in the hands of paid thugs.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is unforgivable to rise to control by exploiting the dream of this country and then use that control to destroy the dream.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is the Left&#8217;s favored &#8220;class warfare&#8221;. Bring down two best friends by making them fight each other to death&#8230; merely for entertainment. Breaking up a marriage by raping the woman and having the husband divorce her because he thought she was in an affair. The Left specializes in these things. But what do we specialize in?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t offer anything &#8220;innovative&#8221; or &#8220;better&#8221;. For the road I&#8217;ve taken is the road I&#8217;m still on.</p>
<p>&#8220;But violence cannot be the way to restore the rule of law and reason; that is self-contradictory, destroying the idea by defending it. &#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve seen it done before. Iraq. The surge. These methods work, at least when good people keep fighting instead of being ordered to Stand Down.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter to me whether people think it is right or wrong to execute Leftists. That may never be a decision we are in a position to decide. But protecting yourself, having the power to do so, will at least give a little bit of defense to the people of the US. So that when the time comes, if they make the decision to be part of one side or the other in this war, at least they won&#8217;t be someone&#8217;s sex slave while at it.</p>
<p>The Left&#8217;s weapons destroy the mind, the soul, and the heart. The way of the warrior reinforces all 3.</p>
<p>&#8220;Achieve your mission with all your might.<br />
Despair not until your last breath.<br />
Make your death count!&#8221; &#8211; Motto of Isumi&#8217;s Valkyries</p>
<p>&#8220;Cause pain before you injure. Injure before you maim. Maim before you kill. And if you must kill, make it a clean kill. Squeeze every drop of life from the opponent. Because life is so precious, it cannot be wasted, even in death.&#8221;</p>
<p>“Let him cut your skin, and you cut his flesh. Let him cut your flesh, and you cut his bones. Let him cut your bones, and you cut off his life.”</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;He either fears his fate too much,<br />
    Or his desert is small,<br />
Who fears to put it to the touch,<br />
    And win or lose it all.&#8217; &#8211; Montrose&#8217;s Toast</p>
<p>    Y&#8217;all got on this boat for different reasons, but y&#8217;all come to the same place. So now I&#8217;m asking more of you than I have before. Maybe all. Sure as I know anything, I know this &#8211; they will try again. Maybe on another world, maybe on this very ground swept clean. A year from now, ten? They&#8217;ll swing back to the belief that they can make people&#8230; better. And I do not hold to that. So no more runnin&#8217;. I aim to misbehave.</p>
<p>&#8212;Captain Mal Reynolds (Nathan Fillion) Serenity</p>
<p>&#8220;To be honest I do not think whether they live or die is the matter at hand. Life is not always better than death. It is not that simple. Living and being made to live are very different things. What matters is what the person chooses of their own free will. Whether or not it can be achieved or how difficult it is.</p>
<p>I want you to think about this: imagine if what matters most to you was taken away against your will. If that is indeed worth less than your life&#8221;</p>
<p>In the end, words are not truth. Action is closer, but still not there. People are going to have to decide for themselves (even if it is a once in a life time thing) what they will countenance, what they will do, what is right, what is wrong, what is beautiful, what is ugly.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 00:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit Says: 
June 7th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;It is unforgivable to rise to control by exploiting the dream of this country and then use that control to destroy the dream. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well said.

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;But violence cannot be the way to restore the rule of law and reason&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, violence itself won&#039;t restore the rule of law and reason, but it is essential for eliminating their enemies, after which the survivors &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; be able to restore it.  

The only way for civilized men and women to deal with tyrants is to kill them.


Ymarsakar Says: 
June 7th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;To address a comment Neo made, back in 2008 I pretty much knew that the Left couldn’t be stopped. Nobody had the firepower or will at the time, even if they had the desire. But the election of 2010 and 2012 gave people hope and people were talking about elections and what not. Those things disgusted me to no end.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Me too.  I knew that we were on the road to civil war the moment Obama was elected.  I really believed that it would start in 2009.  I find it very disturbing that it &lt;i&gt;hasn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; started yet.  With each passing day the Left cements its power and makes meaningful resistance less likely.

While 2010 gave me hope that all was not lost, the entire 2012 campaign was a gigantic clusterf*ck from start to finish.  I too grew disgusted with all the talk about polls and &quot;electability&quot;.  

2012 was our last chance.  I no longer believe that we can settle this by peaceful, political means.  The Republican Party is simply not a serious opposition party, and I fully expect them to lose the House in 2014.

If the Federal government no longer feels bound by the Constitution, then it is no longer a legitimate government.  We the People are under no obligation to respect or obey it in any way whatsoever, and tyrannical government officials can be targeted for assassination.

Of course, nobody wants to go first.  Once that die is cast, the whole country will be awash in blood.  I think that is now inevitable, so we may as well get it over with.

I&#039;m not a warrior or a martial artist, so I&#039;m not looking forward to it.  I will likely not survive it.  But I&#039;ve read enough history to see the writing on the wall, and the choice facing us is civil war or death camps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs Whatsit Says:<br />
June 7th, 2013 at 7:53 pm</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>It is unforgivable to rise to control by exploiting the dream of this country and then use that control to destroy the dream. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well said.</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>But violence cannot be the way to restore the rule of law and reason</p></blockquote>
<p>No, violence itself won&#8217;t restore the rule of law and reason, but it is essential for eliminating their enemies, after which the survivors <i>may</i> be able to restore it.  </p>
<p>The only way for civilized men and women to deal with tyrants is to kill them.</p>
<p>Ymarsakar Says:<br />
June 7th, 2013 at 7:45 pm</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>To address a comment Neo made, back in 2008 I pretty much knew that the Left couldn’t be stopped. Nobody had the firepower or will at the time, even if they had the desire. But the election of 2010 and 2012 gave people hope and people were talking about elections and what not. Those things disgusted me to no end.</p></blockquote>
<p>Me too.  I knew that we were on the road to civil war the moment Obama was elected.  I really believed that it would start in 2009.  I find it very disturbing that it <i>hasn&#8217;t</i> started yet.  With each passing day the Left cements its power and makes meaningful resistance less likely.</p>
<p>While 2010 gave me hope that all was not lost, the entire 2012 campaign was a gigantic clusterf*ck from start to finish.  I too grew disgusted with all the talk about polls and &#8220;electability&#8221;.  </p>
<p>2012 was our last chance.  I no longer believe that we can settle this by peaceful, political means.  The Republican Party is simply not a serious opposition party, and I fully expect them to lose the House in 2014.</p>
<p>If the Federal government no longer feels bound by the Constitution, then it is no longer a legitimate government.  We the People are under no obligation to respect or obey it in any way whatsoever, and tyrannical government officials can be targeted for assassination.</p>
<p>Of course, nobody wants to go first.  Once that die is cast, the whole country will be awash in blood.  I think that is now inevitable, so we may as well get it over with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a warrior or a martial artist, so I&#8217;m not looking forward to it.  I will likely not survive it.  But I&#8217;ve read enough history to see the writing on the wall, and the choice facing us is civil war or death camps.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer Says: 
June 7th, 2013 at 1:34 pm

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;We thought George Orwell wrote fiction. It appears that he wrote prophecy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some appear to regard it as an instruction manual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer Says:<br />
June 7th, 2013 at 1:34 pm</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>We thought George Orwell wrote fiction. It appears that he wrote prophecy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some appear to regard it as an instruction manual.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[ymarsakar said: American patriots have yet to find that love, that hate, and thus they lack the fire of the heart and soul. Thus they lose. As simple as that.

But I do.  The contempt of Obama and the American left for our Constitution -- the best thing we have, our claim to history, our hope -- their contempt and disdain for our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion, our rule of law -- burns in my soul.  It is unforgivable to rise to control by exploiting the dream of this country and then use that control to destroy the dream.  But violence cannot be the way to restore the rule of law and reason; that is self-contradictory, destroying the idea by defending it.  When power laughs in the face of reason, tell me, where do I take it?  What is to burn?  What are we to do, to win?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ymarsakar said: American patriots have yet to find that love, that hate, and thus they lack the fire of the heart and soul. Thus they lose. As simple as that.</p>
<p>But I do.  The contempt of Obama and the American left for our Constitution &#8212; the best thing we have, our claim to history, our hope &#8212; their contempt and disdain for our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion, our rule of law &#8212; burns in my soul.  It is unforgivable to rise to control by exploiting the dream of this country and then use that control to destroy the dream.  But violence cannot be the way to restore the rule of law and reason; that is self-contradictory, destroying the idea by defending it.  When power laughs in the face of reason, tell me, where do I take it?  What is to burn?  What are we to do, to win?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lizzy Says: 
June 7th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;PJM’s Richard Fernandez’s column on this is the best description of why PRISM, in tandem with the IRS harassment and AP/Fox news scandals, is so disturbing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2013/06/06/the-broadband-empire-and-the-game-of-drones/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Broadband Empire and the Game of Drones&lt;/a&gt;

Thanks, Lizzy.  I was just coming here to link that article.  Here&#039;s the money quote:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;If you can control, corrupt or even bait those nodes you can reduce the entire group to impotence. You can effectively decapitate it, a strategy applied not only to al-Qaeda but apparently also by the IRS in its hunt of Tea Party and Republican fundraising groups. The virtual world lets you dominate the virtual high ground. You don’t have to clobber all Muslims and Republicans. You just have to clobber the key nodes and the rest will mill around like leaderless ants.

What the IRS and AP wiretapping scandals demonstrated was the administration’s &lt;i&gt;intent&lt;/i&gt; in action. They &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt; to clobber key nodes.  What the FBI/NSA data mining operations show is capability. They &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; clobber key nodes. The Obama administration has demonstrated the intent to pick apart affinity groups with IRS. The Verizon and PRISM stories show how they have potentially been doing it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It should be blazingly obvious by now that Obama and his ilk do not consider Muslim terrorists to be the enemy, but rather American citizens who believe in the Constitution, limited government, and the free market.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzy Says:<br />
June 7th, 2013 at 12:41 pm</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>PJM’s Richard Fernandez’s column on this is the best description of why PRISM, in tandem with the IRS harassment and AP/Fox news scandals, is so disturbing.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2013/06/06/the-broadband-empire-and-the-game-of-drones/" rel="nofollow">The Broadband Empire and the Game of Drones</a></p>
<p>Thanks, Lizzy.  I was just coming here to link that article.  Here&#8217;s the money quote:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>If you can control, corrupt or even bait those nodes you can reduce the entire group to impotence. You can effectively decapitate it, a strategy applied not only to al-Qaeda but apparently also by the IRS in its hunt of Tea Party and Republican fundraising groups. The virtual world lets you dominate the virtual high ground. You don’t have to clobber all Muslims and Republicans. You just have to clobber the key nodes and the rest will mill around like leaderless ants.</p>
<p>What the IRS and AP wiretapping scandals demonstrated was the administration’s <i>intent</i> in action. They <i>want</i> to clobber key nodes.  What the FBI/NSA data mining operations show is capability. They <i>can</i> clobber key nodes. The Obama administration has demonstrated the intent to pick apart affinity groups with IRS. The Verizon and PRISM stories show how they have potentially been doing it.</p></blockquote>
<p>It should be blazingly obvious by now that Obama and his ilk do not consider Muslim terrorists to be the enemy, but rather American citizens who believe in the Constitution, limited government, and the free market.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth
The named is the mother of myriad things
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations
These two emerge together but differ in name
The unity is said to be the mystery
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders&quot;

I don&#039;t know about others, but I read a significant chunk of the Tao Te Ching for my martial self study purposes as well as Taiji Chuan physical/mental training. This is the first passage in the Tao (universal harmony).

&quot;That&quot; doesn&#039;t tell the average bloke anything. Except perhaps for the clearest phrase, that using human words destroys the eternal truth and makes it something else. In other words, humans lie and everything they talk about is a form of self-deception or at least potentially self deceptive (Obama, Kerry, reporters, etc). Thus enlightened truth on the Divine, Universal level cannot be acquired the moment the human mind forces it into the confines of language.

But the book in itself doesn&#039;t tell you that. It&#039;s up to the person to interpret it. Because, again, &quot;truth&quot;, &quot;knowledge&quot;, and &quot;skills&quot; don&#039;t come from books. They are merely shadows of the one truth, someone else got. Not an inheritance. Someone can acquire the value of an inheritance merely by existing. But knowledge and skills require a component called work and self-improvement.

&quot;ie. you claim that reading books does not a general make, but then why does west point use a 200 book seris of all battels and weaponry fought in history to teach war as a complete thing?&quot;

Those are merely to force cadets to think for themselves. But if they copy the tactics in a book, they would be burned to cinders by a Sun Tzu, or even an average experienced veteran commander. The goal can be accomplished by having them re-enact fake, fictional wars like Ender&#039;s Game, as it can be by utilizing historical examples from books.

Those who follow the Law, Society, and Rules, cannot become creators of their will in war. In war, chaos is manifest everywhere and the commander must ride the waves. Adhering to the rules in a book of strategy and tactics isn&#039;t going to do anything. When they fail, they are defeated.

Neo,

To address a comment Neo made, back in 2008 I pretty much knew that the Left couldn&#039;t be stopped. Nobody had the firepower or will at the time, even if they had the desire. But the election of 2010 and 2012 gave people hope and people were talking about elections and what not. Those things disgusted me to no end. So I didn&#039;t comment on much of anything, and let people say and do as they pleased. If they thought politics would save them, then I&#039;ll wait and see. Perhaps they can prove me wrong.

I&#039;m still waiting for that &quot;political salvation&quot; people were working so hard for while the Left destroyed the fundamental building blocks of human life and dignity.

But well, if people want to fight now when the going is tough and didn&#039;t want to fight back then when it was easier, that&#039;s nothing more than a repetition of what Winston Churchill said. Can&#039;t help human nature. An army is not going to rise up just because I or anyone else says so. Even Mao understood that. One must make the occupation give the villagers a reason to fight with the rebels.

And if people don&#039;t even want to fight now, or they want to help the Leftist alliance for a Human Utopia of Perfect Proportions.... then the fate of history will decree the survivor/victor.

Who &quot;gets it&quot; and who doesn&#039;t &quot;get it&quot;, doesn&#039;t matter. Whose head is still attached to their body after this is all over, that is what matters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao<br />
The name that can be named is not the eternal name<br />
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth<br />
The named is the mother of myriad things<br />
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence<br />
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations<br />
These two emerge together but differ in name<br />
The unity is said to be the mystery<br />
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about others, but I read a significant chunk of the Tao Te Ching for my martial self study purposes as well as Taiji Chuan physical/mental training. This is the first passage in the Tao (universal harmony).</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8221; doesn&#8217;t tell the average bloke anything. Except perhaps for the clearest phrase, that using human words destroys the eternal truth and makes it something else. In other words, humans lie and everything they talk about is a form of self-deception or at least potentially self deceptive (Obama, Kerry, reporters, etc). Thus enlightened truth on the Divine, Universal level cannot be acquired the moment the human mind forces it into the confines of language.</p>
<p>But the book in itself doesn&#8217;t tell you that. It&#8217;s up to the person to interpret it. Because, again, &#8220;truth&#8221;, &#8220;knowledge&#8221;, and &#8220;skills&#8221; don&#8217;t come from books. They are merely shadows of the one truth, someone else got. Not an inheritance. Someone can acquire the value of an inheritance merely by existing. But knowledge and skills require a component called work and self-improvement.</p>
<p>&#8220;ie. you claim that reading books does not a general make, but then why does west point use a 200 book seris of all battels and weaponry fought in history to teach war as a complete thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Those are merely to force cadets to think for themselves. But if they copy the tactics in a book, they would be burned to cinders by a Sun Tzu, or even an average experienced veteran commander. The goal can be accomplished by having them re-enact fake, fictional wars like Ender&#8217;s Game, as it can be by utilizing historical examples from books.</p>
<p>Those who follow the Law, Society, and Rules, cannot become creators of their will in war. In war, chaos is manifest everywhere and the commander must ride the waves. Adhering to the rules in a book of strategy and tactics isn&#8217;t going to do anything. When they fail, they are defeated.</p>
<p>Neo,</p>
<p>To address a comment Neo made, back in 2008 I pretty much knew that the Left couldn&#8217;t be stopped. Nobody had the firepower or will at the time, even if they had the desire. But the election of 2010 and 2012 gave people hope and people were talking about elections and what not. Those things disgusted me to no end. So I didn&#8217;t comment on much of anything, and let people say and do as they pleased. If they thought politics would save them, then I&#8217;ll wait and see. Perhaps they can prove me wrong.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for that &#8220;political salvation&#8221; people were working so hard for while the Left destroyed the fundamental building blocks of human life and dignity.</p>
<p>But well, if people want to fight now when the going is tough and didn&#8217;t want to fight back then when it was easier, that&#8217;s nothing more than a repetition of what Winston Churchill said. Can&#8217;t help human nature. An army is not going to rise up just because I or anyone else says so. Even Mao understood that. One must make the occupation give the villagers a reason to fight with the rebels.</p>
<p>And if people don&#8217;t even want to fight now, or they want to help the Leftist alliance for a Human Utopia of Perfect Proportions&#8230;. then the fate of history will decree the survivor/victor.</p>
<p>Who &#8220;gets it&#8221; and who doesn&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221;, doesn&#8217;t matter. Whose head is still attached to their body after this is all over, that is what matters.</p>
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