“A few small corrections to Noonan’s rhetorical question and observation;

What does it mean when half the country–literally half the country–understands that the revenue-gathering arm and other major agencies of its federal government are politically corrupt, sees them as targets, and if they try to exercise their unalienable rights, will unhesitatingly use the regulatory and justice arms of the state to persecute them? That is the kind of thing that will kill a country, when half its citizens know that they no longer have full political rights.”

I see that you formulated much the same point I did in another thread, even using much the same language and framing. Only you said it 20 hours earlier than I did.

I really should read through all the comments before making my own.

At 100% predictive optimism, the war against the Left will begin and end soon, with no blood shed, and we will win.

Then what?

Then Islam comes over and conquers Europe, that’s what. Because the time and resources spent against the Left, even at 100% optimistic predictions, will mean Islam will have obtained nuclear weapons from Europe through the re conquest.

That’s my most “optimistic” strategic prediction. The pessimistic strategic prediction is that Islam, given resources and inside info from their Leftist allies, will just nuke all of us together, as we weaken each other in a civil war. They’ll blame it on Right wing extremists even.

Islam, after all, took out both Persia and the Byzantine Roman Empire (eventually), because the Persians and Romans were too busy fighting each other. And Emperor Justinian sent Belisarius, the military genius of his age, to fight barbarians in the Western Roman Empire. Wonder how much that cost. This is right around a few years before Mohammed was born.

War is interesting because it’s never about Good vs Evil or Our Beloved Perfect Nation vs their Rotten Corrupt Nation. It is complicated. But that is precisely why life and death matters. That is precisely why vision matters in strategy. Why logistics is more important than strategy, strategy more important than tactics.

Will Islam and the Left combine together to crush us first? Will Islam backstab the Left and destroy us and the Left together? Will the Left attempt to backstab the fearsome Islamic jihad armies to side with us, their former slaves? Will American patriots attempt to destroy the Left first or Islam first?

Those who think America’s fate is decided by our internal conflicts is partially right. But never forget… there is always something more powerful on the horizon. The Left is capable of so much more, even if they don’t believe their cause is worth killing and dying for (killing your children is okay, dying themselves is not). What will Islamic Jihad be capable of with a higher will? What will the Russians be doing? What will the Chinese be doing? What will evil be doing as we fight evil in the US?

You can’t maintain an army when your state is bankrupt and the economy is made out of slaves and is also bankrupt.

Well said.

“So, simultaneously, I believe we are doomed and I advocate fighting. For I do not know we are doomed; I just believe it, because everything I see and reflect on the implications of tells me that.”

Kolnai, I think only in facing death square on, can people find the courage to truly live. Only when facing evil straight on, can people truly do good. It is only when one’s doom hovers above one’s head like the Sword of Damocles, that people are tested.

That emotion right there, is a sign of personal change. If only the majority felt that, they would be motivated to do something useful. They don’t feel it. And because they don’t feel it in their hearts, nothing you send to their brains will matter.

Only those who believe human extinction is eminent, that their own personal death is tomorrow, can they output the maximum will and resolution that the human species can produce.

Fighting in a war takes more than guts, more than courage of the heart. It takes a will so strong that it can erode one’s own soul and mind. To do the things that will be necessary to win, one cannot rely on abstract things such as “victory” or “eventual triumph”. Those will not help you maintain the motivation to fight, to kill, to watch your comrades be destroyed by evil and injustice while only you still strive on.

A commander’s role is to keep calm and keep his people motivated. This is in essence a white lie. Even if the commander believes the cause is doomed, he will still give his subordinates hope for the future rather than destroy morale by acting afraid or tense.

But we are not commanders nor are our troops here with us. The people here are merely peers and amongst peers, the truth should be told.

After WWII, the American Army did a survey about what veterans thought they fought for. The number 1 reason was “their comrades”. They fought to their utmost to keep their comrades from being killed on the battlefield. Second and tertiary reasons were “for family” and “for country”. The second and third reasons were often given by those who had not faced much if any combat, or who had yet to be sent to the front lines.

It is not that the veterans lost their belief in family and country. It is just that in the horrors of war, one must have a concrete reason to keep fighting. That reason cannot be justified with abstract phrases like “for the country” or “for a family that isn’t here” or “to defeat evil”. That concrete motivation, that personal goal, becomes a soldier’s strongest motivator. Many fight primarily for their comrades. Others utilize love of their country as their primary reason for fighting. Still others use their family and their loved ones as the primary reason. There’s no monolithic answer, just a personal and an abstract answer. A short term goal and a long term goal, set by each person, even if they are a soldier that cannot disobey orders.

In desperate situations, desperate solutions are required. Those who believe victory is inevitable, will lack the motivation to stain their own hands with the blood of those that needed killing. They will tell themselves that this is wrong, that victory won’t require such things, because our victory is inevitable. It is not necessary to do what is necessary to win when victory is inevitable. Those of us that believe victory is impossible, or improbable, are motivated by something different. A miracle needs to occur. Human effort beyond mortal limits must be achieved and acquired.

Salvation does not come from sitting at the mall waiting for better men and women to shed their blood and treasure for me. Such a person does not deserve Salvation nor Victory. It is not a matter of civilians being cowards and the military always fighting. It’s a matter of how much a person is willing to sacrifice, do, kill, and die for a cause.

The will of Nathan Hale was good enough I thought.

“I am so satisfied with the cause in which I have engaged that my only regret is that I have not more lives than one to offer in its service.”

“I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.”

If victory was such an easy and cheap thing to acquire, why would anyone need to offer up more than one life? Why would they even need to offer up 1 life?

The only things worthwhile to human beings are the hard things. The only causes worth fighting for are the causes worth killing and dying for.

It doesn’t really matter what people think their chances of victory are, to me. Their motivations and what they are willing to do for victory may be a bit different, however. So long as they are willing to fight in the war, it’s good enough for me. But if people start making excuses because they are afraid of staining their own hands with blood… I’m not sure if they really want victory, nor deserve it.

The nice thing about having the Leftist alliance and Islamic Jihad as enemies is that it requires that an individual, who seeks to not be a slave, really look at themselves. At their own minds, bodies, and souls. For the enemy will find your weakness, if you do not.

When people present to me a method that they have used to convince Jim Jones cultists to stop believing in Jim Jones, when people present to me a method that they have used to convince Iranians and Cubans to stop believing in the Revolution before they got purged by the Sharia counter-revolutionary corps or the Cuban counter-revolution death squads, then there’ll be something to talk about when it comes to civil war being non inevitable.

Until then, civil war is inevitable in the US. It is far too late for anything else.

And if Civil War is not inevitable? Does anyone think when Islamic Jihad conquers Europe and gets the nukes, we’ll win with the Left beside us still?

It’s already time to plan for checkmate, this is the end game. It’s far too late to try to reverse time and go back to the opening for “another chance” at things.

in a sense, the slaves are the problem, but not in the sense that the common perception thinks.

Once a person becomes a slave, they are no longer a moral agent, thus whatever good or evil they do is in the hands of the master, the tool user. When a tool does evil, it is not the tool’s fault.

Because the Leftist alliance has already created a good spawn cache of slaves in this nation, the Republican tendency to blame ‘individuals for problems” is starting to back fire.

A slave does not think for themselves and does not think their lot in life is their “fault”. Whatever punishments you do against them, they only perceive it as coming from a Slave Master or overseer (white institutional racism aka). So they would prefer the kind, compassionate master (Democrats and Leftists) over harsh whips from Republicans.

Those who get how to resolve the problem, don’t care about the Grand Vision either way. They, like Harriet Tubman just do one thing. Free the slaves, whether they Want to Be Freed Or Not.

“…too many words…”

Sorry.

“…plain man…”

Fair enough. But the problem is not shallow waters. It’s waters that think they’re sophisticated and informed when they’re really just so polluted we can’t see the bottom. Not no ideas, but bad ideas, backed by insane and destructive theories imbibed, these days, from grade school up.

Liberals attained ascendancy by using very many words indeed, and their entire goal was to theorize the country into pliant decadence. The revolution began in the schools; if it will end, it will end there too.

The plain men will need their theorists of the counter-revolution. No one else is going to refute the sophistry that turns their children and grandchildren against them.

We’re in this together, my friend. Just understand that my wordcraft is honed for a purpose, a large part of which consists in defending the plain men in this country at the point of attack.