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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/24/those-generic-rioting-youths-in-sweden/#comment-605542</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 03:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The original deal was that the socialist factions of Sweden would bring in immigrant values, give them citizenship and in return for voting socialist, the Swedish parties will provide maximum quality of life doles to the soon to be socialist voters.

I&#039;m sure the socialists think that this is just an attempt to squeeze more dole out of the dolists, so thus they are upping the financial compensation and that will &quot;fix&quot; things.

&quot;He was crazy, but he wasn’t stupid.&quot;

His problem is that he had nothing to follow up on it. A tactical victory, in itself, is not enough. Nuking DC, in itself, is not enough. It wasn&#039;t enough for Mao, and it won&#039;t be enough for us or the Left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original deal was that the socialist factions of Sweden would bring in immigrant values, give them citizenship and in return for voting socialist, the Swedish parties will provide maximum quality of life doles to the soon to be socialist voters.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the socialists think that this is just an attempt to squeeze more dole out of the dolists, so thus they are upping the financial compensation and that will &#8220;fix&#8221; things.</p>
<p>&#8220;He was crazy, but he wasn’t stupid.&#8221;</p>
<p>His problem is that he had nothing to follow up on it. A tactical victory, in itself, is not enough. Nuking DC, in itself, is not enough. It wasn&#8217;t enough for Mao, and it won&#8217;t be enough for us or the Left.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/24/those-generic-rioting-youths-in-sweden/#comment-603700</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 01:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Armchair,
Considering Breivik attacked the scions of the ruling class--it was a summer camp for older children of the ruling party--he&#039;s even more focused than Brown.
Brown wanted to start a slave revolt.
Breivik wanted, apparently, to decapitate the ruling party, whose children could expect to be greased into journalism, politics, education, labor, and the &#039;cracry.  And could be expected to continue the policies to which Breivik objected.  Given the numbers of people in Norway, the number of kids killed is a hell of a chunk of the party&#039;s next generation.  
He was crazy, but he wasn&#039;t stupid.
Fact is, we may see if he did indeed have an effect.  But other issues may supercede that, including a change of attitude toward the Establishment and the Muslim immigrant community.  OTOH, perhaps the decapitation will make the change of attitude more likely, come sooner, be easier, be more severe.  So it won&#039;t be an isolated factor to be considered.
But it can&#039;t mean nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armchair,<br />
Considering Breivik attacked the scions of the ruling class&#8211;it was a summer camp for older children of the ruling party&#8211;he&#8217;s even more focused than Brown.<br />
Brown wanted to start a slave revolt.<br />
Breivik wanted, apparently, to decapitate the ruling party, whose children could expect to be greased into journalism, politics, education, labor, and the &#8216;cracry.  And could be expected to continue the policies to which Breivik objected.  Given the numbers of people in Norway, the number of kids killed is a hell of a chunk of the party&#8217;s next generation.<br />
He was crazy, but he wasn&#8217;t stupid.<br />
Fact is, we may see if he did indeed have an effect.  But other issues may supercede that, including a change of attitude toward the Establishment and the Muslim immigrant community.  OTOH, perhaps the decapitation will make the change of attitude more likely, come sooner, be easier, be more severe.  So it won&#8217;t be an isolated factor to be considered.<br />
But it can&#8217;t mean nothing.</p>
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		By: Armchair pessimist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/24/those-generic-rioting-youths-in-sweden/#comment-603638</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Armchair pessimist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 21:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Breivik: John Brown?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breivik: John Brown?</p>
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		By: ziontruth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/24/those-generic-rioting-youths-in-sweden/#comment-603606</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziontruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 19:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The European model for immigration really doesn&#039;t work,...&quot;

Nor could it. The U.S.A. could theoretically take members of various nations and fuse them into an American nation, at least under the Melting Pot paradigm rather the current Salad Bowl where the constituent groups are pitted against one another and the Marxist politicos reap the votes; but the European nation-states (and Israel as well) are not proposition nations like the U.S.A. but ethnostates, nation-states where the nation is defined by some intrinsic criteria (ancestry or culture or some other thing), so bringing members of other nations into them and giving them full political rights destabilizes them completely.

That&#039;s why I believe Israel&#039;s only prospect for long-term, just and viable peace is to boot all the Arabs out of her borders. Members of a nation that already has a state should live in that state. I believe that the state should be its nation&#039;s castle, its protective space where the members of the nation are kept safe and secure from demographic encroachment by means of exclusive political rights. The Leftists&#039; invention of the term &quot;Herrenvolk Democracy&quot; for this kind of sane, common-sense setup is nothing short of treasonous–it&#039;s like calling someone a criminal for reserving his house to his family instead of admitting everybody like in &lt;i&gt;Doctor Zhivago&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The European model for immigration really doesn&#8217;t work,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Nor could it. The U.S.A. could theoretically take members of various nations and fuse them into an American nation, at least under the Melting Pot paradigm rather the current Salad Bowl where the constituent groups are pitted against one another and the Marxist politicos reap the votes; but the European nation-states (and Israel as well) are not proposition nations like the U.S.A. but ethnostates, nation-states where the nation is defined by some intrinsic criteria (ancestry or culture or some other thing), so bringing members of other nations into them and giving them full political rights destabilizes them completely.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I believe Israel&#8217;s only prospect for long-term, just and viable peace is to boot all the Arabs out of her borders. Members of a nation that already has a state should live in that state. I believe that the state should be its nation&#8217;s castle, its protective space where the members of the nation are kept safe and secure from demographic encroachment by means of exclusive political rights. The Leftists&#8217; invention of the term &#8220;Herrenvolk Democracy&#8221; for this kind of sane, common-sense setup is nothing short of treasonous–it&#8217;s like calling someone a criminal for reserving his house to his family instead of admitting everybody like in <i>Doctor Zhivago</i>.</p>
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		By: lacune		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/24/those-generic-rioting-youths-in-sweden/#comment-603489</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lacune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 14:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Although most of the immigrants in Sweden are Muslims, there have to be those of other religious persuasions.  

One could tear a hole in this &quot;justified rage of immigrants&quot; narrative by showing that the only immigrants doing any rioting and vandalism are Muslims.  Other immigrants may be just as &quot;downtrodden&quot; as the Muslim immigrants, but they&#039;re not taking part in the violence.  Why?

What&#039;s going on in Sweden is jihad, plain and simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although most of the immigrants in Sweden are Muslims, there have to be those of other religious persuasions.  </p>
<p>One could tear a hole in this &#8220;justified rage of immigrants&#8221; narrative by showing that the only immigrants doing any rioting and vandalism are Muslims.  Other immigrants may be just as &#8220;downtrodden&#8221; as the Muslim immigrants, but they&#8217;re not taking part in the violence.  Why?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on in Sweden is jihad, plain and simple.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 14:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i should point out that swedish law prevented the dialogue that people tried to have that would have potentially mitigated things. like in the US with articles that do not describe a perpetrator, vs ones that do, or the UK calling Pakistani&#039;s Asians so that people will conflate, or the bands of roving men who were robbing and raping women in places like Stockholm but much more so in Malmo.. if you know this issue, you would know that the cars drawing attention so we look, but a lot more issues happen in malmo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i should point out that swedish law prevented the dialogue that people tried to have that would have potentially mitigated things. like in the US with articles that do not describe a perpetrator, vs ones that do, or the UK calling Pakistani&#8217;s Asians so that people will conflate, or the bands of roving men who were robbing and raping women in places like Stockholm but much more so in Malmo.. if you know this issue, you would know that the cars drawing attention so we look, but a lot more issues happen in malmo.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 12:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The swedes have painted themselves into a corner where their ideas of how to act leave them defenseless. they cant throw them out, they cant shoot them, and they cant break them up, and down the line.  

IF you cant swim, its wise to avoid deep waters...

Of course, a new regime that had no such limits would not find such as hard to handle (with the caveat being world opinion, which if other places were changed would not matter any more)


to Soviet of Washington
no, the authorities are not writing parking tickets
the employees of those authorities are following the letter of their job descriptions which do not allow for them to think, or to adapt to any situation. if they follow the letter of what they are told to do, then they cant get in trouble and be responsible. its not their fault that the central planners didn&#039;t write a perfect instruction set for each of the jobs below them. 

its that simple.

our way of employing and handling them has changed from a position as a point of responsibility where a person had delegated autonomy to some extent to accomplish the job. to reams and reams of definition and instructions like mini laws in which little despots lock down employees, and mediocre through to the future
(remember, if you train your employees, they are going to want more money, or they are going to leave - so never actually train them, just make it look like you train)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The swedes have painted themselves into a corner where their ideas of how to act leave them defenseless. they cant throw them out, they cant shoot them, and they cant break them up, and down the line.  </p>
<p>IF you cant swim, its wise to avoid deep waters&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, a new regime that had no such limits would not find such as hard to handle (with the caveat being world opinion, which if other places were changed would not matter any more)</p>
<p>to Soviet of Washington<br />
no, the authorities are not writing parking tickets<br />
the employees of those authorities are following the letter of their job descriptions which do not allow for them to think, or to adapt to any situation. if they follow the letter of what they are told to do, then they cant get in trouble and be responsible. its not their fault that the central planners didn&#8217;t write a perfect instruction set for each of the jobs below them. </p>
<p>its that simple.</p>
<p>our way of employing and handling them has changed from a position as a point of responsibility where a person had delegated autonomy to some extent to accomplish the job. to reams and reams of definition and instructions like mini laws in which little despots lock down employees, and mediocre through to the future<br />
(remember, if you train your employees, they are going to want more money, or they are going to leave &#8211; so never actually train them, just make it look like you train)</p>
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		By: sharpie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sharpie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 00:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I, for one, welcome our new overlords. What was it, Omar  or Mohammad or something? Now be a good fucking politician and get me a goddamn phone or something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, welcome our new overlords. What was it, Omar  or Mohammad or something? Now be a good fucking politician and get me a goddamn phone or something.</p>
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		By: Soviet of Washington		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Soviet of Washington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 23:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Raj,  as Steve Sailer points out...the authorities are writing &lt;a href=&quot;http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-swedish-way.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;parking tickets&lt;/a&gt; for the owners of the burned-out cars.  That&#039;ll teach&#039;m.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raj,  as Steve Sailer points out&#8230;the authorities are writing <a href="http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-swedish-way.html" rel="nofollow">parking tickets</a> for the owners of the burned-out cars.  That&#8217;ll teach&#8217;m.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 May 2013 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; Raj Says:
&lt;blockquote&gt;May 24th, 2013 at 6:51 pm

I read the Swedish Local from time to time. They too were not clear on who is involved in these riots.

They did however mention that the riot control police used racial slurs and that there was to be a follow up investigation on that. That however still did not help me to understand who was doing the rioting other than that they were immigrants.

It seems to be like its Middle Eastern youth who are upset over unemployment issues and quite possibly also being treated like 2nd class citizens.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Shame to think that police are walking around provoking some of the citizenry to violence by shouting slurs at them. What could they possibly be thinking?

But then I was not even certain that all the rioters were citizens. As it is, I find it relatively difficult to work up much interest in the fate of Sweden or Swedes in general, and am beginning to feel the same way about the English.

In any event what moral obligation could I possibly have to care for the fate of people who are persistent masochists in the first place?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Raj Says:</p>
<blockquote><p>May 24th, 2013 at 6:51 pm</p>
<p>I read the Swedish Local from time to time. They too were not clear on who is involved in these riots.</p>
<p>They did however mention that the riot control police used racial slurs and that there was to be a follow up investigation on that. That however still did not help me to understand who was doing the rioting other than that they were immigrants.</p>
<p>It seems to be like its Middle Eastern youth who are upset over unemployment issues and quite possibly also being treated like 2nd class citizens.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Shame to think that police are walking around provoking some of the citizenry to violence by shouting slurs at them. What could they possibly be thinking?</p>
<p>But then I was not even certain that all the rioters were citizens. As it is, I find it relatively difficult to work up much interest in the fate of Sweden or Swedes in general, and am beginning to feel the same way about the English.</p>
<p>In any event what moral obligation could I possibly have to care for the fate of people who are persistent masochists in the first place?</p>
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