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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/21/liberty-at-the-market/#comment-601634</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 05:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep, the English individualists versus the collectivists and utilitarians. Locke, Adam Smith, and Mill versus Rousseau and Bentham.

I recommend to all Americans that they should refresh on our nation&#039;s philosophical underpinnings - what the Founding Fathers were reading when they made us. The internet is a goldmine. Any reputable foundations of modern social thought philosophy course should suffice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the English individualists versus the collectivists and utilitarians. Locke, Adam Smith, and Mill versus Rousseau and Bentham.</p>
<p>I recommend to all Americans that they should refresh on our nation&#8217;s philosophical underpinnings &#8211; what the Founding Fathers were reading when they made us. The internet is a goldmine. Any reputable foundations of modern social thought philosophy course should suffice.</p>
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		By: JJ formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/21/liberty-at-the-market/#comment-601078</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The super market is one example of what  free enterprise can create.  

Everytime I have stood on a street corner during a TEA Party rally and watched the  cars go by, it has been an awesome sight to see the many  varieties of vehicles that pass by. Trucks, vans, sedans, sports cars, luxury models, old beaters, jeeps, and much more - in  many different colors and styles.  Only a free economy that  has created a lot of wealth has that  kind of display of individuality and choice.  Such a contrast with the East German Cold War auto, the Trebant. 

Too many people take liberty for granted because they have never seen its counterpart.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The super market is one example of what  free enterprise can create.  </p>
<p>Everytime I have stood on a street corner during a TEA Party rally and watched the  cars go by, it has been an awesome sight to see the many  varieties of vehicles that pass by. Trucks, vans, sedans, sports cars, luxury models, old beaters, jeeps, and much more &#8211; in  many different colors and styles.  Only a free economy that  has created a lot of wealth has that  kind of display of individuality and choice.  Such a contrast with the East German Cold War auto, the Trebant. </p>
<p>Too many people take liberty for granted because they have never seen its counterpart.</p>
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		By: JuliB		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/21/liberty-at-the-market/#comment-600987</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 16:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl, 

When I would read accounts of the mass starvation in the USSR caused by Stalin and his ilk, I would wonder how anyone could come up with such asinine ideas as they did thinking it would help improve matters.  (OK - some of the ag policies were pure punishment, but others were most likely the product of &#039;smarter&#039; people)

And yet I look at the things that Obama and his ilk have done, and think - ah yes - those are the true &#039;wreckers&#039;.  Between saving snails and putting medicine under the strict government controls, they are killing the free-market goose.  And they think they are doing the right things, these self anointed fools...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl, </p>
<p>When I would read accounts of the mass starvation in the USSR caused by Stalin and his ilk, I would wonder how anyone could come up with such asinine ideas as they did thinking it would help improve matters.  (OK &#8211; some of the ag policies were pure punishment, but others were most likely the product of &#8216;smarter&#8217; people)</p>
<p>And yet I look at the things that Obama and his ilk have done, and think &#8211; ah yes &#8211; those are the true &#8216;wreckers&#8217;.  Between saving snails and putting medicine under the strict government controls, they are killing the free-market goose.  And they think they are doing the right things, these self anointed fools&#8230;</p>
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		By: sharipie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/21/liberty-at-the-market/#comment-600068</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 06:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Been reading VDH&#039;s &quot;Carnage and Culture.&quot; It&#039;s a quick and fascinating read because you want to get to the next one of his major nine battles to see why it proves his thesis. 

The first battle he examples is Salamis, which was a naval battle and because the trireme&#039;s (which have not even today been reproduced correctly) were staffed by the lowest denominator of common people, the history of the world was changed in that their victory gave them a vote, a vote resisted by Plato, Aristotle, Hobbes, Hegel, Neitzche &quot;and  dozens of others would express reservations about democracy that gave unlimited political freedom to citizens on the basis of an unalienable right-that men in general are born and should die as freemen.

Those names do not resonate with liberty, but with fascism. The founders sought a way to prevent the general idea that all men have a right to inalienable freedom from becoming a tyranny. That basic idea is the idea that has been lost by the last generation who believes that gov&#039;t is the grantor and guarantee of liberty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been reading VDH&#8217;s &#8220;Carnage and Culture.&#8221; It&#8217;s a quick and fascinating read because you want to get to the next one of his major nine battles to see why it proves his thesis. </p>
<p>The first battle he examples is Salamis, which was a naval battle and because the trireme&#8217;s (which have not even today been reproduced correctly) were staffed by the lowest denominator of common people, the history of the world was changed in that their victory gave them a vote, a vote resisted by Plato, Aristotle, Hobbes, Hegel, Neitzche &#8220;and  dozens of others would express reservations about democracy that gave unlimited political freedom to citizens on the basis of an unalienable right-that men in general are born and should die as freemen.</p>
<p>Those names do not resonate with liberty, but with fascism. The founders sought a way to prevent the general idea that all men have a right to inalienable freedom from becoming a tyranny. That basic idea is the idea that has been lost by the last generation who believes that gov&#8217;t is the grantor and guarantee of liberty.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 04:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul in Boston,

Wholeheartedly agree. &quot;We live in the heart of blue darkness but there’s lots of the country that doesn’t put up with it. Just remember that Obama’s biggest contribution to the economy has been gun sales. Freedom is in the heart and soul of a great number of Americans and they aren’t going to let it go.&quot;

Not me, not my wife, not our sons and daughter, not my grandchildren, not my cousins, not my nieces and nephews.  We will not back down.  Our &#039;liberal&#039; fellow citizens and their heroes are in for a big surprise if push comes to shove.  Unintended consequences are a bitch. We 10% will hold sway.  We can produce 1 MOA at 100 or more. With my scoped Mauser I can consistently put 1 MOA at 400 yards on the paper. Forces of fascists had better wear kevlar in their hair. And wear blinders least I spy the whites of their eyes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul in Boston,</p>
<p>Wholeheartedly agree. &#8220;We live in the heart of blue darkness but there’s lots of the country that doesn’t put up with it. Just remember that Obama’s biggest contribution to the economy has been gun sales. Freedom is in the heart and soul of a great number of Americans and they aren’t going to let it go.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not me, not my wife, not our sons and daughter, not my grandchildren, not my cousins, not my nieces and nephews.  We will not back down.  Our &#8216;liberal&#8217; fellow citizens and their heroes are in for a big surprise if push comes to shove.  Unintended consequences are a bitch. We 10% will hold sway.  We can produce 1 MOA at 100 or more. With my scoped Mauser I can consistently put 1 MOA at 400 yards on the paper. Forces of fascists had better wear kevlar in their hair. And wear blinders least I spy the whites of their eyes.</p>
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		By: James		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 02:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A grocery store is pretty free-market - not that much regulation.  Through the government has done a pretty good job of shutting down farmer&#039;s markets.

Less free market is health care.  And its about to become a lot less free market.

Less free market than health care is education.  

Now the challenge:  convince low information voters that health care and education will be more like the grocery store if Republicans had a say.  I know, its a tough sell, but its the only chance we have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A grocery store is pretty free-market &#8211; not that much regulation.  Through the government has done a pretty good job of shutting down farmer&#8217;s markets.</p>
<p>Less free market is health care.  And its about to become a lot less free market.</p>
<p>Less free market than health care is education.  </p>
<p>Now the challenge:  convince low information voters that health care and education will be more like the grocery store if Republicans had a say.  I know, its a tough sell, but its the only chance we have.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/21/liberty-at-the-market/#comment-599687</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 23:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl, 

I too had previously heard of similar stories. It is however the only personal witness of them that I have ever known. 

Yes, future disbelief at stories of the plenty we used to have are certain if the left wins this war. 

Churchill nailed it when he observed that, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Socialism is a philosophy of failure, a creed of ignorance, and a gospel of envy. Its only inherent virtue, the equal sharing of misery.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Socialism&#039;s final nail in the coffin of human aspirations is its unavoidable transformation into totalitarian communism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl, </p>
<p>I too had previously heard of similar stories. It is however the only personal witness of them that I have ever known. </p>
<p>Yes, future disbelief at stories of the plenty we used to have are certain if the left wins this war. </p>
<p>Churchill nailed it when he observed that, <i>&#8220;Socialism is a philosophy of failure, a creed of ignorance, and a gospel of envy. Its only inherent virtue, the equal sharing of misery.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Socialism&#8217;s final nail in the coffin of human aspirations is its unavoidable transformation into totalitarian communism.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 23:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain &#038; T:

There are countless stories like that about people from behind the Iron Curtain being struck dumb at the sight of an American supermarket.

It is precisely our heritage of economic liberty (i.e., free market capitalism) which makes such bounty possible.  If Obama succeeds in his goal of &quot;fundamentally transforming&quot; America, future generations will scoff at our stories of the plenty we &lt;b&gt;used&lt;/b&gt; to have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain &amp; T:</p>
<p>There are countless stories like that about people from behind the Iron Curtain being struck dumb at the sight of an American supermarket.</p>
<p>It is precisely our heritage of economic liberty (i.e., free market capitalism) which makes such bounty possible.  If Obama succeeds in his goal of &#8220;fundamentally transforming&#8221; America, future generations will scoff at our stories of the plenty we <b>used</b> to have.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 22:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;And the Founding Fathers limited the vote to property owners, right?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Ann

A quick search appears to reveal that prior to the founding of the USA no country had ever granted voting rights to non-property owners. 

In 1870 with the passage of the 15th amendment, the US became the first major country to formally abolish the property requirement. 

The short-lived Corsican Republic (1755—1769) was the first country to grant limited universal suffrage for all inhabitants over the age of 25. 

It&#039;s easy to judge prior societies by modern standards and find them wanting but intellectually dishonest to do so. What counts is how a society evolves in addressing moral injustice. Just as everyone has &#039;feet of clay&#039; so too does every society. Perfection lies only in heaven.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;And the Founding Fathers limited the vote to property owners, right?&#8221;</i> Ann</p>
<p>A quick search appears to reveal that prior to the founding of the USA no country had ever granted voting rights to non-property owners. </p>
<p>In 1870 with the passage of the 15th amendment, the US became the first major country to formally abolish the property requirement. </p>
<p>The short-lived Corsican Republic (1755—1769) was the first country to grant limited universal suffrage for all inhabitants over the age of 25. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to judge prior societies by modern standards and find them wanting but intellectually dishonest to do so. What counts is how a society evolves in addressing moral injustice. Just as everyone has &#8216;feet of clay&#8217; so too does every society. Perfection lies only in heaven.</p>
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		By: Paul in Boston		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 May 2013 22:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GB @3:19

My mother used to help Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe get settled in the US.  Invariably, when she took one of the women to a supermarket for the first time she would start crying.

Neo, don&#039;t despair.  We live in the heart of blue darkness but there&#039;s lots of the country that doesn&#039;t put up with it.  Just remember that Obama&#039;s biggest contribution to the economy has been gun sales.  Freedom is in the heart and soul of a great number of Americans and they aren&#039;t going to let it go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB @3:19</p>
<p>My mother used to help Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe get settled in the US.  Invariably, when she took one of the women to a supermarket for the first time she would start crying.</p>
<p>Neo, don&#8217;t despair.  We live in the heart of blue darkness but there&#8217;s lots of the country that doesn&#8217;t put up with it.  Just remember that Obama&#8217;s biggest contribution to the economy has been gun sales.  Freedom is in the heart and soul of a great number of Americans and they aren&#8217;t going to let it go.</p>
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