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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/16/watergate-vs-scandalgate-why-didnt-nixon-destroy-the-tapes/#comment-607593</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A voice activated taping system. What a novel way to bug the President&#039;s office without it being traced back to the Pentagon, FBI, or anybody else for that matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A voice activated taping system. What a novel way to bug the President&#8217;s office without it being traced back to the Pentagon, FBI, or anybody else for that matter.</p>
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		By: buddha hat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/16/watergate-vs-scandalgate-why-didnt-nixon-destroy-the-tapes/#comment-604795</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[buddha hat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2013 23:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo --

not sure if you&#039;ll see this late, lame response to your question, but it deserves an answer (of sorts).

I worked on the Discovery show All The President&#039;s Men Revisited (the token conservative on the film, though not my official title) and AB was one of the people we interviewed. In talking about the tapes I remembered that he&#039;d said something like &quot;well, Nixon knew he didn&#039;t have to turn the damn thing on,&quot; but going through the transcripts I can&#039;t find it, so maybe he said it as an aside when we weren&#039;t rolling. Drat. 

However, having waded through about 70% of the Nixon tapes in transcript form I&#039;d be astonished if he didn&#039;t know everything he said was being taped.

Still, in the interest of accuracy, better put an asterisk on it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo &#8212;</p>
<p>not sure if you&#8217;ll see this late, lame response to your question, but it deserves an answer (of sorts).</p>
<p>I worked on the Discovery show All The President&#8217;s Men Revisited (the token conservative on the film, though not my official title) and AB was one of the people we interviewed. In talking about the tapes I remembered that he&#8217;d said something like &#8220;well, Nixon knew he didn&#8217;t have to turn the damn thing on,&#8221; but going through the transcripts I can&#8217;t find it, so maybe he said it as an aside when we weren&#8217;t rolling. Drat. </p>
<p>However, having waded through about 70% of the Nixon tapes in transcript form I&#8217;d be astonished if he didn&#8217;t know everything he said was being taped.</p>
<p>Still, in the interest of accuracy, better put an asterisk on it.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/16/watergate-vs-scandalgate-why-didnt-nixon-destroy-the-tapes/#comment-596389</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 18:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[buddha hat: do you have a link to something that quotes Butterfield as saying Nixon knew about the voice activation?

I do think it likely that Nixon knew about the voice activation, but he apparently denied it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>buddha hat: do you have a link to something that quotes Butterfield as saying Nixon knew about the voice activation?</p>
<p>I do think it likely that Nixon knew about the voice activation, but he apparently denied it.</p>
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		By: buddha hat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/16/watergate-vs-scandalgate-why-didnt-nixon-destroy-the-tapes/#comment-596383</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[buddha hat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 17:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to Butterfield, Nixon knew the tapes were voice-activated, both inside the Oval Office and at the EOB where Nixon spent a lot of time. But only a few people knew about the taping system -- Ehrlichman and Rosemary Woods didn&#039;t -- and I think Nixon was counting on them to keep their mouths shut. 

And it almost worked. Butterfield only spilled the beans when he was asked a direct question about a taping system during a routine FBI interview.

What this scandalous White House needs is a John Dean or Hugh Sloan to tell us what the President knew and when he knew it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Butterfield, Nixon knew the tapes were voice-activated, both inside the Oval Office and at the EOB where Nixon spent a lot of time. But only a few people knew about the taping system &#8212; Ehrlichman and Rosemary Woods didn&#8217;t &#8212; and I think Nixon was counting on them to keep their mouths shut. </p>
<p>And it almost worked. Butterfield only spilled the beans when he was asked a direct question about a taping system during a routine FBI interview.</p>
<p>What this scandalous White House needs is a John Dean or Hugh Sloan to tell us what the President knew and when he knew it.</p>
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		By: Wry Mouth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wry Mouth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 06:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I refer to the scandals as Comprehensive Ethics Reform.

But I am experiencing far, far too much schadenfreude.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I refer to the scandals as Comprehensive Ethics Reform.</p>
<p>But I am experiencing far, far too much schadenfreude.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/16/watergate-vs-scandalgate-why-didnt-nixon-destroy-the-tapes/#comment-596067</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo...

Of interest...

In the linked article -- the writer strongly implies that the recording system started with RMN.

LBJ had tip top gear. It was not swapped out for y e a r s.

RMN did expand the system -- after he discovered that this or that phone call (damning the other guy) was not on tape.

RMN really wanted to &#039;pin them to the wall&#039; and show how right he was -- better than Ike, even.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo&#8230;</p>
<p>Of interest&#8230;</p>
<p>In the linked article &#8212; the writer strongly implies that the recording system started with RMN.</p>
<p>LBJ had tip top gear. It was not swapped out for y e a r s.</p>
<p>RMN did expand the system &#8212; after he discovered that this or that phone call (damning the other guy) was not on tape.</p>
<p>RMN really wanted to &#8216;pin them to the wall&#8217; and show how right he was &#8212; better than Ike, even.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 01:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[blert: 

My post contains a link to an article that offers the relevant excerpt from that Frost/Nixon interview.

As far as the tape technology goes, as I said in an earlier comment, Nixon was hardly the first to tape but he was the first to use a voice-activated mechanism, but he himself said he was unaware that such a voice-activated mechanism had been installed.

He did expect to be able to control the tapes, but surely a man as wary as Nixon must have realized that their very existence put him in jeopardy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blert: </p>
<p>My post contains a link to an article that offers the relevant excerpt from that Frost/Nixon interview.</p>
<p>As far as the tape technology goes, as I said in an earlier comment, Nixon was hardly the first to tape but he was the first to use a voice-activated mechanism, but he himself said he was unaware that such a voice-activated mechanism had been installed.</p>
<p>He did expect to be able to control the tapes, but surely a man as wary as Nixon must have realized that their very existence put him in jeopardy.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 01:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OldTexan...

When interviewed on this EXACT point RMN said that it was his intent to write his own WH history -- with the tapes as source material. He intended to destroy them/ control them the rest of his life.

What I didn&#039;t know for years was that the Nixon tape system started out as a hold over from LBJ. HE had a very slick system, too. LBJ&#039;s stuff was never exposed until very, very, very, much later. It&#039;s false to think that Nixon even dreamed it up. LBJ did.

At this time the LBJ tapes are mostly public. They are even more damning than RMN&#039;s tapes.

BTW. LBJ had a foul mouth that would&#039;ve fit in while filming Full Metal Jacket. RMN would curse only when his emotions ran high; with LBJ it was a torrent.

LBJ famously invented the toilet call: he would deliberately phone politicians while he was on the throne -- making sure to flush before hanging up the phone. These calls usually involved browbeating some Senator into rolling over for LBJ.

=========

Before the tape recorder -- a German invention (mostly) -- there were stenos. 

No different than Buraq, Adolf wanted to record the policy recommendations of his crew -- so that he could throw them back in their faces when they went awry. 

To this end he had six to eight stenos furiously taking down all the conversation in an around him. The overlapping coverage corrected errors. They&#039;d rotate in and out like tag-teams. Normally never listed as being in attendance -- they were rarely NOT in attendance. 

They are the source for some of the amazing details from within Adolf&#039;s lair. 

======

There is a consistent pattern: each executive in turn wanted accurate records solely to pin the blame on others -- and to feel good about their own judgment. This tick crosses all political boundaries, apparently.

RMN ultimately admitted to Frost (IIRC) that he wished he&#039;d never used the LBJ system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OldTexan&#8230;</p>
<p>When interviewed on this EXACT point RMN said that it was his intent to write his own WH history &#8212; with the tapes as source material. He intended to destroy them/ control them the rest of his life.</p>
<p>What I didn&#8217;t know for years was that the Nixon tape system started out as a hold over from LBJ. HE had a very slick system, too. LBJ&#8217;s stuff was never exposed until very, very, very, much later. It&#8217;s false to think that Nixon even dreamed it up. LBJ did.</p>
<p>At this time the LBJ tapes are mostly public. They are even more damning than RMN&#8217;s tapes.</p>
<p>BTW. LBJ had a foul mouth that would&#8217;ve fit in while filming Full Metal Jacket. RMN would curse only when his emotions ran high; with LBJ it was a torrent.</p>
<p>LBJ famously invented the toilet call: he would deliberately phone politicians while he was on the throne &#8212; making sure to flush before hanging up the phone. These calls usually involved browbeating some Senator into rolling over for LBJ.</p>
<p>=========</p>
<p>Before the tape recorder &#8212; a German invention (mostly) &#8212; there were stenos. </p>
<p>No different than Buraq, Adolf wanted to record the policy recommendations of his crew &#8212; so that he could throw them back in their faces when they went awry. </p>
<p>To this end he had six to eight stenos furiously taking down all the conversation in an around him. The overlapping coverage corrected errors. They&#8217;d rotate in and out like tag-teams. Normally never listed as being in attendance &#8212; they were rarely NOT in attendance. </p>
<p>They are the source for some of the amazing details from within Adolf&#8217;s lair. </p>
<p>======</p>
<p>There is a consistent pattern: each executive in turn wanted accurate records solely to pin the blame on others &#8212; and to feel good about their own judgment. This tick crosses all political boundaries, apparently.</p>
<p>RMN ultimately admitted to Frost (IIRC) that he wished he&#8217;d never used the LBJ system.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 21:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: yeah, chess game is exactly right. 

And it occurs to me what a terrific story that could have been over the last five years, just sitting there waiting for some enterprising journalists to tackle. But, no, they&#039;ve been in such lock-step with the Democrats that even that hasn&#039;t tempted them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: yeah, chess game is exactly right. </p>
<p>And it occurs to me what a terrific story that could have been over the last five years, just sitting there waiting for some enterprising journalists to tackle. But, no, they&#8217;ve been in such lock-step with the Democrats that even that hasn&#8217;t tempted them.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 20:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[G. Jourbet:

Also of interest is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Thompson#Role_in_Watergate_hearings&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fred Thompson&#039;s role&lt;/a&gt; in the revelation of the tapes&#039; existence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G. Jourbet:</p>
<p>Also of interest is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Thompson#Role_in_Watergate_hearings" rel="nofollow">Fred Thompson&#8217;s role</a> in the revelation of the tapes&#8217; existence.</p>
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