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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/05/15/could-conservatives-be-the-reality-based-community/#comment-595987</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 00:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[American conservatism is a hybrid of classical liberalism and Judeo-Christian philosophy.  The former is entirely reality-based (i.e. pragmatic), while the latter establishes a separation of mortal and divine domains.  The Judeo-Christian philosophy directs people that God will help those who help themselves.  This requires them to exploit the natural order to improve their mortal existence, while tempering their ambitions to secure the Blessings of Liberty, among other Rights, for their Posterity.

I think the separation of mortal and divine domains is an especially noteworthy feature of the Judeo-Christian philosophy or religion.  An analogous outcome for secular individuals would require them to distinguish between science and philosophy (or religion), which many fail to accomplish, in part due to self-interest (i.e. competition) and the egos of &quot;scientists.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American conservatism is a hybrid of classical liberalism and Judeo-Christian philosophy.  The former is entirely reality-based (i.e. pragmatic), while the latter establishes a separation of mortal and divine domains.  The Judeo-Christian philosophy directs people that God will help those who help themselves.  This requires them to exploit the natural order to improve their mortal existence, while tempering their ambitions to secure the Blessings of Liberty, among other Rights, for their Posterity.</p>
<p>I think the separation of mortal and divine domains is an especially noteworthy feature of the Judeo-Christian philosophy or religion.  An analogous outcome for secular individuals would require them to distinguish between science and philosophy (or religion), which many fail to accomplish, in part due to self-interest (i.e. competition) and the egos of &#8220;scientists.&#8221;</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2013 00:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[artfldgr:

Exactly.  The mistake most people make is to improperly distinguish between science and philosophy (or religion).  This exploitation was previously attributed to traditional religions, but it is, in fact, a more common transgression committed by atheists or secular individuals generally.  In their fervent effort to discredit and delegitimize their competing interests, they regularly exceed the boundaries of science, and concoct &quot;scientific&quot; theories which can never be tested nor the experiments reproduced in the original environment.  They infer a knowledge which may or may not reflect an actual reality and is at best circumstantial.

It&#039;s ironic that many people who defer to a divine entity for their post-mortem fate are also more likely to demonstrate greater compliance with the natural world, including the principles of evolution, and are more willing to accept and exploit its physical phenomenon to improve their own and their children&#039;s welfare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>artfldgr:</p>
<p>Exactly.  The mistake most people make is to improperly distinguish between science and philosophy (or religion).  This exploitation was previously attributed to traditional religions, but it is, in fact, a more common transgression committed by atheists or secular individuals generally.  In their fervent effort to discredit and delegitimize their competing interests, they regularly exceed the boundaries of science, and concoct &#8220;scientific&#8221; theories which can never be tested nor the experiments reproduced in the original environment.  They infer a knowledge which may or may not reflect an actual reality and is at best circumstantial.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that many people who defer to a divine entity for their post-mortem fate are also more likely to demonstrate greater compliance with the natural world, including the principles of evolution, and are more willing to accept and exploit its physical phenomenon to improve their own and their children&#8217;s welfare.</p>
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		By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Observater of "Like... Duh?" Moments		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 08:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#062;&#062;&#062; &lt;i&gt;they’re – something else, I dunno, because shut up. Therefore, there’s nothing to be deeply troubled about.&lt;/i&gt;

OK, I&#039;m going to quote myself from previous comments, here and another blog.... It strongly applies to the above observation, I think.
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&#062;&#062;&#062; &lt;i&gt;And how many more times does stuff like this have to happen before people get it through their thick skulls that government is inept, incompetent, and the creator of problems rather than the solution?&lt;/i&gt;

An infinite number.

IQ is a measure of how well you learn from books.

&quot;Wisdom&quot; is how well you learn from experience.

There is no WQ test to match the IQ test, but, if there were, I make the claim that liberals would consistently rank in the bottom two quintiles on it. Yes, they are mostly &quot;widiots&quot;.

Think about it carefully. They just can&#039;t learn at all from experience. Hence their endless support for collectivism (Communism works, it&#039;s just that no one&#039;s ever done it RIGHT), their boundless faith in government (it&#039;s only the OTHER guys who are crooks), and their determination that no one but Them and Their Heroes ever does anything with Good in Their Hearts (ignoring the self-evident fact that most of the Left are self-centered, greedy, racist assholes with hearts that are &quot;ten sizes too small&quot;).

Book learning doesn&#039;t affect this, and there&#039;s virtually no correlation between book learning and wisdom. Noam Chompsky more than amply shows that... he&#039;s obviously brilliant and yet a total fool. And there are lots of wise men out there who have never completed high school.

So remember that -- they CAN&#039;T learn. Literally.

This is due to a mechanism in libtard brains which I call the “Liberal Midnight Reset Button®”

Consider:
a) Suppose you meet a libtard who appears reasonable. They are open and honest and fully willing to discuss, without excessive histrionics, any point of view they espouse… (yes, this is admittedly rare)
b) Now, pick a topic dear to them, which you know they believe in but which you also know to be clearly wrongheaded, even if well-meaning.
c) Start with their supposition, and take them, step by logical step through from their supposition, getting acquiescence at each stage: “Yeah, that follows, uh-huh…”. Show by such reasoning that the net affect of their supposition is that the end result will be the exact opposite of what they purportedly support or believe in.
d) OK, you’ve won. Now what? Wait. You’ll hear something like… “Hmmm. I’m going to have to think about that.”, and you’ll go your own separate ways.
e) Now, a week passes, seek them out. Bring the subject of their supposition up again, subtly. You will hear them espousing the exact same notions of their original supposition unchanged, unaltered, as though the entire reasoning process you took them through in “c” never happened!

So what happened? The Liberal Midnight Reset Button® is what happened. At some point in the ensuing day or so, after they dropped off to sleep, their tiny widdle libtard brain started to process the new information. It carefully examined the new information in relation to Officially Accepted Liberal Dogma® (OALD), found it to be unacceptably running counter to it, and purged the new information without adding it to the libtard’s store of knowledge. BAM, conflict ended, Liberal Twitticism remains intact.

With practice, you can even watch this thing start to kick in as you have the discussion with them. In many cases, if they learn you’re “dangerous” to their precious Officially Accepted Liberal Dogma®, they will preemptively act to terminate, redirect, or otherwise alter the conversation to avoid the necessary mental CPU cycles required to purge the non-agreeing data.

You think I’m being facetious? Only in a sense. This process does exist and it really does act to prevent true libtards from actually learning anything new. ;) And I&#039;ve seen it kick in on more than one occasion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; <i>they’re – something else, I dunno, because shut up. Therefore, there’s nothing to be deeply troubled about.</i></p>
<p>OK, I&#8217;m going to quote myself from previous comments, here and another blog&#8230;. It strongly applies to the above observation, I think.<br />
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&gt;&gt;&gt; <i>And how many more times does stuff like this have to happen before people get it through their thick skulls that government is inept, incompetent, and the creator of problems rather than the solution?</i></p>
<p>An infinite number.</p>
<p>IQ is a measure of how well you learn from books.</p>
<p>&#8220;Wisdom&#8221; is how well you learn from experience.</p>
<p>There is no WQ test to match the IQ test, but, if there were, I make the claim that liberals would consistently rank in the bottom two quintiles on it. Yes, they are mostly &#8220;widiots&#8221;.</p>
<p>Think about it carefully. They just can&#8217;t learn at all from experience. Hence their endless support for collectivism (Communism works, it&#8217;s just that no one&#8217;s ever done it RIGHT), their boundless faith in government (it&#8217;s only the OTHER guys who are crooks), and their determination that no one but Them and Their Heroes ever does anything with Good in Their Hearts (ignoring the self-evident fact that most of the Left are self-centered, greedy, racist assholes with hearts that are &#8220;ten sizes too small&#8221;).</p>
<p>Book learning doesn&#8217;t affect this, and there&#8217;s virtually no correlation between book learning and wisdom. Noam Chompsky more than amply shows that&#8230; he&#8217;s obviously brilliant and yet a total fool. And there are lots of wise men out there who have never completed high school.</p>
<p>So remember that &#8212; they CAN&#8217;T learn. Literally.</p>
<p>This is due to a mechanism in libtard brains which I call the “Liberal Midnight Reset Button®”</p>
<p>Consider:<br />
a) Suppose you meet a libtard who appears reasonable. They are open and honest and fully willing to discuss, without excessive histrionics, any point of view they espouse… (yes, this is admittedly rare)<br />
b) Now, pick a topic dear to them, which you know they believe in but which you also know to be clearly wrongheaded, even if well-meaning.<br />
c) Start with their supposition, and take them, step by logical step through from their supposition, getting acquiescence at each stage: “Yeah, that follows, uh-huh…”. Show by such reasoning that the net affect of their supposition is that the end result will be the exact opposite of what they purportedly support or believe in.<br />
d) OK, you’ve won. Now what? Wait. You’ll hear something like… “Hmmm. I’m going to have to think about that.”, and you’ll go your own separate ways.<br />
e) Now, a week passes, seek them out. Bring the subject of their supposition up again, subtly. You will hear them espousing the exact same notions of their original supposition unchanged, unaltered, as though the entire reasoning process you took them through in “c” never happened!</p>
<p>So what happened? The Liberal Midnight Reset Button® is what happened. At some point in the ensuing day or so, after they dropped off to sleep, their tiny widdle libtard brain started to process the new information. It carefully examined the new information in relation to Officially Accepted Liberal Dogma® (OALD), found it to be unacceptably running counter to it, and purged the new information without adding it to the libtard’s store of knowledge. BAM, conflict ended, Liberal Twitticism remains intact.</p>
<p>With practice, you can even watch this thing start to kick in as you have the discussion with them. In many cases, if they learn you’re “dangerous” to their precious Officially Accepted Liberal Dogma®, they will preemptively act to terminate, redirect, or otherwise alter the conversation to avoid the necessary mental CPU cycles required to purge the non-agreeing data.</p>
<p>You think I’m being facetious? Only in a sense. This process does exist and it really does act to prevent true libtards from actually learning anything new. 😉 And I&#8217;ve seen it kick in on more than one occasion.</p>
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		By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Observater of "Like... Duh?" Moments		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 07:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have argued in many places, probably here -- the primary difference between the Boomers and the GenXers in the political arena is that the Boomers looked at Watergate and interpreted it as &quot;You can&#039;t trust &lt;i&gt;Republicans&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.

The Genxers came back with a different message: &quot;You can&#039;t trust &lt;i&gt;Politicians&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.

This is what led to the strong conservativism in the GenXers -- the Alex P. Keatons.

Teh One is teaching the same lesson anew to a whole generation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have argued in many places, probably here &#8212; the primary difference between the Boomers and the GenXers in the political arena is that the Boomers looked at Watergate and interpreted it as &#8220;You can&#8217;t trust <i>Republicans</i>&#8220;.</p>
<p>The Genxers came back with a different message: &#8220;You can&#8217;t trust <i>Politicians</i>&#8220;.</p>
<p>This is what led to the strong conservativism in the GenXers &#8212; the Alex P. Keatons.</p>
<p>Teh One is teaching the same lesson anew to a whole generation.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 04:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blert- totally fascinating.]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 01:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharpie...

In answer to your question -- even that far back in time -- without &lt;i&gt;anything to go on but intuition...&lt;/i&gt;

I guessed that he&#039;d be huge in either Hollywood or politics -- and by politics I was thinking presidential.

I further guessed that he (D) wouldd be running against a white haired old Vietnam veteran. (R)

At the time I didn&#039;t even know that McCain was around. I just reasoned (Sherlock style) that by the time Barry was in the hunt -- Vietnam vets would be large on the national stage. Republicans nominate veterans.

And, in specific answer: I guessed that he&#039;d win on his color -- and that Hell would travel with him. (Hawaiian political style is congruent with Chicago -- race comes first.)

=======

If I were to compile ALL of the unreasoned personal predictions that have come true -- prophetically -- it&#039;d be as thick as the Old Testament.

========

One of the many: the Falcon and the Snowman were in my high school gym class. They were so anti-social as to defy belief. So, it took no deep insight to predict that they were headed for an epic fail -- which would, of  course, be done together.

(Neither suited up for gym class. They just sat on their asses and talked privately in the handball courts. All of the gym instructors were flat terrified of the Falcon&#039;s FBI father. That dynamic ultimately ended up in treason -- and a movie.)

Sometimes I think I&#039;m Forrest Gump -- without the idiocy -- and the fruit company winnings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharpie&#8230;</p>
<p>In answer to your question &#8212; even that far back in time &#8212; without <i>anything to go on but intuition&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I guessed that he&#8217;d be huge in either Hollywood or politics &#8212; and by politics I was thinking presidential.</p>
<p>I further guessed that he (D) wouldd be running against a white haired old Vietnam veteran. (R)</p>
<p>At the time I didn&#8217;t even know that McCain was around. I just reasoned (Sherlock style) that by the time Barry was in the hunt &#8212; Vietnam vets would be large on the national stage. Republicans nominate veterans.</p>
<p>And, in specific answer: I guessed that he&#8217;d win on his color &#8212; and that Hell would travel with him. (Hawaiian political style is congruent with Chicago &#8212; race comes first.)</p>
<p>=======</p>
<p>If I were to compile ALL of the unreasoned personal predictions that have come true &#8212; prophetically &#8212; it&#8217;d be as thick as the Old Testament.</p>
<p>========</p>
<p>One of the many: the Falcon and the Snowman were in my high school gym class. They were so anti-social as to defy belief. So, it took no deep insight to predict that they were headed for an epic fail &#8212; which would, of  course, be done together.</p>
<p>(Neither suited up for gym class. They just sat on their asses and talked privately in the handball courts. All of the gym instructors were flat terrified of the Falcon&#8217;s FBI father. That dynamic ultimately ended up in treason &#8212; and a movie.)</p>
<p>Sometimes I think I&#8217;m Forrest Gump &#8212; without the idiocy &#8212; and the fruit company winnings.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 00:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah, I see, the &quot;something else, I dunno, because shut up&quot; part.  Yes, it&#039;s clear!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see, the &#8220;something else, I dunno, because shut up&#8221; part.  Yes, it&#8217;s clear!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 21:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit: I was being somewhat sarcastic.  I think it doesn&#039;t really seriously occur to them that conservatives are right.  But it&#039;s &quot;deeply troubling&quot; that there is the appearance of conservatives being right, and that it&#039;s so difficult to explain how that can be without conservatives actually &lt;i&gt;being&lt;/i&gt; right.

That&#039;s a little convoluted, but I hope it&#039;s clear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs Whatsit: I was being somewhat sarcastic.  I think it doesn&#8217;t really seriously occur to them that conservatives are right.  But it&#8217;s &#8220;deeply troubling&#8221; that there is the appearance of conservatives being right, and that it&#8217;s so difficult to explain how that can be without conservatives actually <i>being</i> right.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a little convoluted, but I hope it&#8217;s clear.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 21:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh Neo Neo, you dreamer.  Lefties &quot;deeply troubled&quot; by the possibility that conservatives are right about something and they were wrong?  It will never never never happen.  Lefties know that it is not possible that conservatives are right and they are wrong.  They are smart and conservatives are dumb.  This is known.  They are good and conservatives are evil.  This too is known. Therefore, it is an unassailable fact that conservatives are never right and lefties are never wrong.  Any facts to the contrary are not really facts at all, they&#039;re -- something else, I dunno, because shut up.  Therefore, there&#039;s nothing to be deeply troubled about.  

See how that works?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Neo Neo, you dreamer.  Lefties &#8220;deeply troubled&#8221; by the possibility that conservatives are right about something and they were wrong?  It will never never never happen.  Lefties know that it is not possible that conservatives are right and they are wrong.  They are smart and conservatives are dumb.  This is known.  They are good and conservatives are evil.  This too is known. Therefore, it is an unassailable fact that conservatives are never right and lefties are never wrong.  Any facts to the contrary are not really facts at all, they&#8217;re &#8212; something else, I dunno, because shut up.  Therefore, there&#8217;s nothing to be deeply troubled about.  </p>
<p>See how that works?</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2013 20:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blert,

I wonder if you thought at the time, there goes death.

But we need some death because some things need and deserve to die, which, ironically is what the execrable Elijah Cummings of the late Benghazi hearings fame meant when he said &quot;death is part of life&quot; meaning basically, get over it. 

But truth does not die. It has an objective existence. It needs no hearer and no tongue. Of all things it is most like what God is.

The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.--Winston Churchill

http://listverse.com/2007/11/22/top-25-winston-churchill-quotes/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blert,</p>
<p>I wonder if you thought at the time, there goes death.</p>
<p>But we need some death because some things need and deserve to die, which, ironically is what the execrable Elijah Cummings of the late Benghazi hearings fame meant when he said &#8220;death is part of life&#8221; meaning basically, get over it. </p>
<p>But truth does not die. It has an objective existence. It needs no hearer and no tongue. Of all things it is most like what God is.</p>
<p>The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.&#8211;Winston Churchill</p>
<p><a href="http://listverse.com/2007/11/22/top-25-winston-churchill-quotes/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://listverse.com/2007/11/22/top-25-winston-churchill-quotes/</a></p>
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