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		By: roc scssrs		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/18/musical-primacy/#comment-579267</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mrs. Whatsit:

Lazaro Arbos was a contestant on this year&#039;s American Idol and finished in the top 10. He had some kind of speech/brain problem and spoke with a severe stutter, but he could sing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Whatsit:</p>
<p>Lazaro Arbos was a contestant on this year&#8217;s American Idol and finished in the top 10. He had some kind of speech/brain problem and spoke with a severe stutter, but he could sing.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/18/musical-primacy/#comment-579140</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gary Rosen: funny you should mention &quot;Respect.&quot;  I was planning to put up a post about that, and probably will in the next few days.

These song comparisons fascinate me, and YouTube makes it easy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Rosen: funny you should mention &#8220;Respect.&#8221;  I was planning to put up a post about that, and probably will in the next few days.</p>
<p>These song comparisons fascinate me, and YouTube makes it easy.</p>
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		By: Paul A'Barge		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/18/musical-primacy/#comment-579131</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handy_Man_%28song%29]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handy_Man_%28song%29" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handy_Man_%28song%29</a></p>
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		By: Gary Rosen		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/18/musical-primacy/#comment-579059</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe the most spectacular example of a cover surpassing an already-great original was Aretha Franklin&#039;s recording of &quot;Respect&quot; by Otis Redding.  As for James Taylor, he should stick to songwriting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the most spectacular example of a cover surpassing an already-great original was Aretha Franklin&#8217;s recording of &#8220;Respect&#8221; by Otis Redding.  As for James Taylor, he should stick to songwriting.</p>
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		By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Primitive Food Observationist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/18/musical-primacy/#comment-578776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Primitive Food Observationist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P.S., on the Past Masters v1 disk is are versions of &quot;Sie Liebt Dich&quot; and &quot;Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand&quot; -- Versions of &quot;She Loves You&quot; and &quot;I Want To Hold Your Hand&quot; -- German versions that the Beatles did in 1964.

Supposedly they refused to do this ever again, because they had to take and re-take it so many times as they&#039;d absent-mindedly switch to English again and again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S., on the Past Masters v1 disk is are versions of &#8220;Sie Liebt Dich&#8221; and &#8220;Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand&#8221; &#8212; Versions of &#8220;She Loves You&#8221; and &#8220;I Want To Hold Your Hand&#8221; &#8212; German versions that the Beatles did in 1964.</p>
<p>Supposedly they refused to do this ever again, because they had to take and re-take it so many times as they&#8217;d absent-mindedly switch to English again and again.</p>
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		By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Primitive Food Observationist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/18/musical-primacy/#comment-578770</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 07:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recommend you hunt down two things
1) The Beatles&#039; Past Masters, v1 -- this is a lot of early stuff that they recorded before they stopped releasing covers of anyone&#039;s songs but their own.

2) The Beatles&#039; &quot;Ultra Rare Trax&quot;. This one is easy to find if you accept it from &quot;spurious&quot; sources -- it&#039;s a set of bootleg CDs derived from master tapes that someone got ahold of during the 80s, and got released on CD. The quality is excellent, the original source is believed to be surrepetitiously duped when the studio was planning to make an album called &quot;Sessions&quot; in the mid-80s. The plan was scrapped when the Beatles objected. 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allmusic.com/search/all/Ultra+rare+trax+beatles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Here is a listing of the contents of the six CDs&lt;/a&gt;
Its interesting to hear variants of their other songs as they played with instrumentation and speed. 

Another  interesting one here is &quot;Come And Get It&quot;, associated with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3TOcw7taBo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Badfinger&lt;/a&gt;, but Paul wrote it. The Beatles never released it.

This is one of my favorites, by Paul:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeTpe26Uc4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Besame Mucho&lt;/a&gt;
Also this one, by John:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRQvxf6fNIE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bad Boy
And here&#039;s one by George:
&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM72ozezNsg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Not guilty&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend you hunt down two things<br />
1) The Beatles&#8217; Past Masters, v1 &#8212; this is a lot of early stuff that they recorded before they stopped releasing covers of anyone&#8217;s songs but their own.</p>
<p>2) The Beatles&#8217; &#8220;Ultra Rare Trax&#8221;. This one is easy to find if you accept it from &#8220;spurious&#8221; sources &#8212; it&#8217;s a set of bootleg CDs derived from master tapes that someone got ahold of during the 80s, and got released on CD. The quality is excellent, the original source is believed to be surrepetitiously duped when the studio was planning to make an album called &#8220;Sessions&#8221; in the mid-80s. The plan was scrapped when the Beatles objected.<br />
<a href="http://www.allmusic.com/search/all/Ultra+rare+trax+beatles" rel="nofollow"> Here is a listing of the contents of the six CDs</a><br />
Its interesting to hear variants of their other songs as they played with instrumentation and speed. </p>
<p>Another  interesting one here is &#8220;Come And Get It&#8221;, associated with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3TOcw7taBo" rel="nofollow">Badfinger</a>, but Paul wrote it. The Beatles never released it.</p>
<p>This is one of my favorites, by Paul:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeTpe26Uc4" rel="nofollow">Besame Mucho</a><br />
Also this one, by John:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRQvxf6fNIE" rel="nofollow">Bad Boy<br />
And here&#8217;s one by George:<br />
</a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM72ozezNsg" rel="nofollow">Not guilty</a></p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/18/musical-primacy/#comment-578663</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 04:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NCC: well, this is uptempo, but it&#039;s men:

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This one&#039;s upbeat, and a woman, but I&#039;m pretty sure it&#039;s not what you&#039;re talking about:

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Here&#039;s the original, Hedy West, who wrote the song in the early 50s:

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And &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/500_Miles#cite_note-9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a list&lt;/a&gt; of possible candidates, although not a complete one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCC: well, this is uptempo, but it&#8217;s men:</p>
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<p>This one&#8217;s upbeat, and a woman, but I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s not what you&#8217;re talking about:</p>
<p><object width="420" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AZYQrOVvzD4?version=3&amp;hl=en_US"/><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"/><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"/><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AZYQrOVvzD4?version=3&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="420" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"/></object></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the original, Hedy West, who wrote the song in the early 50s:</p>
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<p>And <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/500_Miles#cite_note-9" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a list</a> of possible candidates, although not a complete one.</p>
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		By: NCC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 01:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, thank you, but it wasn&#039;t the Weavers.  The arrangement was much more modern, designed to be a pop 40s song of the early seventies.  Earllier I wrote upbeat, but I really meant up tempo.  The lyrics were still depressing, but the music almost presaged disco.  The vocals sounded like either one woman on multiple tracks, or multiple women.

None of my usual sources -- who were certainly around them -- have been able to help me.  I&#039;m beginning to feel like Dr. Crusher in ST: TNG&#039;s &quot;Remember Me.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, thank you, but it wasn&#8217;t the Weavers.  The arrangement was much more modern, designed to be a pop 40s song of the early seventies.  Earllier I wrote upbeat, but I really meant up tempo.  The lyrics were still depressing, but the music almost presaged disco.  The vocals sounded like either one woman on multiple tracks, or multiple women.</p>
<p>None of my usual sources &#8212; who were certainly around them &#8212; have been able to help me.  I&#8217;m beginning to feel like Dr. Crusher in ST: TNG&#8217;s &#8220;Remember Me.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Generally I prefer the original version. There are occasional exceptions to this; for instance I slightly prefer Jose Feliciano&#039;s version of &quot;Light My Fire&quot; to The Doors&#039; version. But initially I did not, briefly considering it to be almost sacrilegious.

I think it comes down to which performance (singer, arrangement, etc) overall &#039;nails&#039; the song. IMHO, Taylor&#039;s version stands head and shoulders above Jones&#039; and Shannon&#039;s which to my ears sounds dated. In fairness, Taylor&#039;s version was the original for me but I still feel that its a superior rendition, more sophisticated and &#039;texturally&#039; interesting as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally I prefer the original version. There are occasional exceptions to this; for instance I slightly prefer Jose Feliciano&#8217;s version of &#8220;Light My Fire&#8221; to The Doors&#8217; version. But initially I did not, briefly considering it to be almost sacrilegious.</p>
<p>I think it comes down to which performance (singer, arrangement, etc) overall &#8216;nails&#8217; the song. IMHO, Taylor&#8217;s version stands head and shoulders above Jones&#8217; and Shannon&#8217;s which to my ears sounds dated. In fairness, Taylor&#8217;s version was the original for me but I still feel that its a superior rendition, more sophisticated and &#8216;texturally&#8217; interesting as well.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Apr 2013 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of brain damage and music: I have friends with a severely disabled child whose speech is limited to one or two words at a time, laboriously uttered and hard to understand.  But since she was small, this same child has been able to SING words (such as the lyrics to &quot;Old MacDonald&#039;s Farm&quot; with fluent, normal diction.  She doesn&#039;t understand the meaning of the lyrics, as far as anyone can tell,  yet somehow can learn long complex verses and utter the very same syllables and sentences that entirely elude her when she is trying to speak.  Plus, she sings on pitch.  A mystery.  The music must reach some part of her brain -- perhaps undamaged? -- that is entirely different from the parts that control her speech.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of brain damage and music: I have friends with a severely disabled child whose speech is limited to one or two words at a time, laboriously uttered and hard to understand.  But since she was small, this same child has been able to SING words (such as the lyrics to &#8220;Old MacDonald&#8217;s Farm&#8221; with fluent, normal diction.  She doesn&#8217;t understand the meaning of the lyrics, as far as anyone can tell,  yet somehow can learn long complex verses and utter the very same syllables and sentences that entirely elude her when she is trying to speak.  Plus, she sings on pitch.  A mystery.  The music must reach some part of her brain &#8212; perhaps undamaged? &#8212; that is entirely different from the parts that control her speech.</p>
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