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		By: southpaw		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lizzy I think  the date was December 16, 1773 in Boston Harbor.  The acts of violence surrounding the original tea party seem to be sketchy at best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzy I think  the date was December 16, 1773 in Boston Harbor.  The acts of violence surrounding the original tea party seem to be sketchy at best.</p>
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		By: Martel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lizzy:  The Tea Party may not have committed any actual acts of violence, but they&#039;ve been ACCUSED of committing more than several.  Unlike at the &quot;largely peaceful&quot; immigration protests in which they were throwing stuff at the police. reporters felt very uncomfortable at some of the Tea Party rallies.

And if reporters fell uncomfortable in your company, if &quot;some&quot; wonder if the Tea Party may be involved somehow, that&#039;s plenty of reason to suspect them.

It&#039;s gotta be a jihadi.  If there were any chance whatsoever it was Tim McVeigh Mach II, the administration would be so eager to start the &quot;national conversation&quot; on the &quot;tone of political discourse&quot; that the leaks would resemble Niagara.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizzy:  The Tea Party may not have committed any actual acts of violence, but they&#8217;ve been ACCUSED of committing more than several.  Unlike at the &#8220;largely peaceful&#8221; immigration protests in which they were throwing stuff at the police. reporters felt very uncomfortable at some of the Tea Party rallies.</p>
<p>And if reporters fell uncomfortable in your company, if &#8220;some&#8221; wonder if the Tea Party may be involved somehow, that&#8217;s plenty of reason to suspect them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gotta be a jihadi.  If there were any chance whatsoever it was Tim McVeigh Mach II, the administration would be so eager to start the &#8220;national conversation&#8221; on the &#8220;tone of political discourse&#8221; that the leaks would resemble Niagara.</p>
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		By: Lizzy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;ve missed something, but when has a Tea Party member protested violently (unprovoked, so not counting town hall skirmishes)? Have there been any Tea Party bomb plots uncovered or thwarted by the police/FBI/DHS? Has there been any online or written agitation suggesting bombs as a valid Tea Party protest method similar to Inspire magazine or the Weathermen? Heck, have there been any arrests at actual Tea Party events, such as the rapes, vandalizations, and thefts at OWS camps? 

I just don&#039;t understand why we have to rule out the Tea Party theory when there&#039;s no history or violent protest or obvious evidence (so far) that would indicate it&#039;s a possibility AND there&#039;s so much more indicating that it could be the work of an Inspire-reading jihadi.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;ve missed something, but when has a Tea Party member protested violently (unprovoked, so not counting town hall skirmishes)? Have there been any Tea Party bomb plots uncovered or thwarted by the police/FBI/DHS? Has there been any online or written agitation suggesting bombs as a valid Tea Party protest method similar to Inspire magazine or the Weathermen? Heck, have there been any arrests at actual Tea Party events, such as the rapes, vandalizations, and thefts at OWS camps? </p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t understand why we have to rule out the Tea Party theory when there&#8217;s no history or violent protest or obvious evidence (so far) that would indicate it&#8217;s a possibility AND there&#8217;s so much more indicating that it could be the work of an Inspire-reading jihadi.</p>
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		By: southpaw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If this turns out to be a foreigner, Tingles will need to be sedated with Thorazine and institutionalized.  Of course, that would be a welcome development, whomever is responsible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this turns out to be a foreigner, Tingles will need to be sedated with Thorazine and institutionalized.  Of course, that would be a welcome development, whomever is responsible.</p>
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		By: sharpie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We need to open up a dialogue and rethink our assumptions.

What? We did? We got screwed? We lost ours and got theirs? We&#039;re not allowed to think for ourselves, anymore? Education is done? No more dialogue, then? Huh, huh?

When&#039;d this happen?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to open up a dialogue and rethink our assumptions.</p>
<p>What? We did? We got screwed? We lost ours and got theirs? We&#8217;re not allowed to think for ourselves, anymore? Education is done? No more dialogue, then? Huh, huh?</p>
<p>When&#8217;d this happen?</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;On the other hand, if it’s a left-wing loon, expect massive coverage of some celebrity break-up next week to crowd out any of the Boston coverage.&quot;

You will recall how the Atlanta bomber was often tagged as a Christian&quot; when he had explicitly repudiated any such beliefs on the record.

What the left most fears, and seeks to preempt, is the spillover from the implications of their own &quot;ironist&quot; (to reference Rorty again) belief system. They fear it redounding on their own heads by those who accept their radically historicist premise, but who just don&#039;t quiver  to the same degree with anxiety over &quot;cruelty&quot; in quite the way the so-called &quot;liberal&quot; ironist does.

Since on their own terms of interpretation they have no argument based on metaphysical or objective principles to make, they must consciously abandon logical argumentation for rhetoric directed toward stimulating a particular affect in others; whether it be positive or negative. Truth as an accurate reflection of some prior state is taken as irrelevant, being imagined as &quot;created&quot;, not discovered.

What some clown in a university lit department irrelevantly believes about the meaning of speech acts, suddenly then becomes dangerous when he turns his uninhibited attention and the attention of his disciples, to the reconstruction of your existence ...

No wonder they want to ban guns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On the other hand, if it’s a left-wing loon, expect massive coverage of some celebrity break-up next week to crowd out any of the Boston coverage.&#8221;</p>
<p>You will recall how the Atlanta bomber was often tagged as a Christian&#8221; when he had explicitly repudiated any such beliefs on the record.</p>
<p>What the left most fears, and seeks to preempt, is the spillover from the implications of their own &#8220;ironist&#8221; (to reference Rorty again) belief system. They fear it redounding on their own heads by those who accept their radically historicist premise, but who just don&#8217;t quiver  to the same degree with anxiety over &#8220;cruelty&#8221; in quite the way the so-called &#8220;liberal&#8221; ironist does.</p>
<p>Since on their own terms of interpretation they have no argument based on metaphysical or objective principles to make, they must consciously abandon logical argumentation for rhetoric directed toward stimulating a particular affect in others; whether it be positive or negative. Truth as an accurate reflection of some prior state is taken as irrelevant, being imagined as &#8220;created&#8221;, not discovered.</p>
<p>What some clown in a university lit department irrelevantly believes about the meaning of speech acts, suddenly then becomes dangerous when he turns his uninhibited attention and the attention of his disciples, to the reconstruction of your existence &#8230;</p>
<p>No wonder they want to ban guns.</p>
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		By: Martel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obviously this is speculation, but I think if it were a tea-partier, we&#039;d know about it already.

Call me a cynic, but if Big Sis is saying that there is &quot;no broader plot,&quot; that means nobody on the right is involved.  If somebody on the right were involved, instead of &quot;no broader plot&quot;, we&#039;d be trying to implicate Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and Limbaugh.

On the other hand, if it&#039;s a jihadi, they have every reason to suggest it&#039;s a lone wolf.  After all, by killing bin Laden Obama ended the War on Terror.  If al Queda were behind this, it would be incredibly inconvenient and tough to spin.

Limbaugh is right about how if it&#039;s a rightwing nutjob, all conservatives will be implicated, whereas if it&#039;s a jihadi, he won&#039;t have anything to do with his own views.  They&#039;ve already isolated the suspect from any conspiracies, so my hunch is the latter.

On the other hand, if it&#039;s a left-wing loon, expect massive coverage of some celebrity break-up next week to crowd out any of the Boston coverage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously this is speculation, but I think if it were a tea-partier, we&#8217;d know about it already.</p>
<p>Call me a cynic, but if Big Sis is saying that there is &#8220;no broader plot,&#8221; that means nobody on the right is involved.  If somebody on the right were involved, instead of &#8220;no broader plot&#8221;, we&#8217;d be trying to implicate Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and Limbaugh.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if it&#8217;s a jihadi, they have every reason to suggest it&#8217;s a lone wolf.  After all, by killing bin Laden Obama ended the War on Terror.  If al Queda were behind this, it would be incredibly inconvenient and tough to spin.</p>
<p>Limbaugh is right about how if it&#8217;s a rightwing nutjob, all conservatives will be implicated, whereas if it&#8217;s a jihadi, he won&#8217;t have anything to do with his own views.  They&#8217;ve already isolated the suspect from any conspiracies, so my hunch is the latter.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if it&#8217;s a left-wing loon, expect massive coverage of some celebrity break-up next week to crowd out any of the Boston coverage.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Times square was a propane tank
And the news always conflates fire crackers which have very tiny amounts of aluminum flash powder in them with cherry bombs which are about 1/8 a stick of dynamite
The bbq tanks failed to blow because ghe did not rupture.
They did not rupture because they did not know to include one part that would have changed the dynamic....

I mentioned this type in the other thread...

The beauty of using a pressure cooker is its easier n less suspicious than small sections of pipe, less dangerous for the maker, hole is premade, and will contain the pressure to maximize the shock wave differential....

Placed kn tge ground the ground magnifies the blast by causing a low level shearing wave... the power, despite what we are looking at, is low. A blast force diminishes quite fast, and  no one died due to organs shredded by shock wave sheer, even standing almost next to it...

If there were fewer people so close, the carnage would have been greater. The people standing close blocked huge swaths of the material. Note that this kind of thing works best by placing outside the crowd, not deep in it. This is why its back by the wall. It maximizes the spread before contact n before deceleration.

The device is akin to what used to be calledca bouncing betty....but cruder... 

Sadly, most ppl think such devices are to kill. They are not. Just look at the numbers.  Everyone mostly focuses on dead. With politicians hacking up the emotional response so that irrational thjnking provides them power for a non fix

War devices since wwi are designed to maim not kill
A maimed person is a resource drag and a emotional cut out for years and years....

So if you get on the emote bandwangon n focus onvictims yiurcompleting the circuit that is required for the maiming to have its emotional effect
The more the women get into their hanoi jane roll n dont get it the more effective the operation is

This doubles the desire ti hurt n maimchildren foe maximum psychological guerrilla warfare (even if its a kne man nutto)

Of course the person feeding the beast has some personal reason to help, which includes why helping is not helping but someghing else....

Bathing in the misery for weeks is the whole tactical point
And femknist culture norms bathing in the misery of millions and selfishness to induce a power transfer to the people making them squeel like stuck pigs

A social form of normalizing stockholme syndrome where they refuse to fight and instead try to ingratiate themselves by helping the attackers... personal psychology demands that if not complicit, they must personalize it and justify it to make it not so.

Its interesting to watch....
But lack of knowing or a higher framework has a person just doing whats instinctual and customary (given its comforting), making them easy to sxploit, control, n divide 

How should u act?
What should u focus on? (For what outcome)
When will our ladies emotive capitol be used up and worndown till ghey vote whatever way they are toldjust to get some relief of the pressure in a defenders, providers,and whose responsible area of social life ghey lect out

Ruling n taking control in good times is easy

Understanding the repercusions and murderous outcomes due to this, poisons the soul beyond death...

Every termite whether cocnizant or not is part of taking down the house.... ignorance is no defense in law, why is it a defense in life????  Just cause ur acclimated, doesnt mean its good, it just meanns its harder to have the ethical will to stop and resist inventing why plowing forward like a lemmjng is a good thing or the right thing

We are lemkngs
We are crazies
We will feed our flower habits
Pushing daises
(Lemmings broadway show that illustrated ghe nihilism in the boomer revolution and its march towards embracing death)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Times square was a propane tank<br />
And the news always conflates fire crackers which have very tiny amounts of aluminum flash powder in them with cherry bombs which are about 1/8 a stick of dynamite<br />
The bbq tanks failed to blow because ghe did not rupture.<br />
They did not rupture because they did not know to include one part that would have changed the dynamic&#8230;.</p>
<p>I mentioned this type in the other thread&#8230;</p>
<p>The beauty of using a pressure cooker is its easier n less suspicious than small sections of pipe, less dangerous for the maker, hole is premade, and will contain the pressure to maximize the shock wave differential&#8230;.</p>
<p>Placed kn tge ground the ground magnifies the blast by causing a low level shearing wave&#8230; the power, despite what we are looking at, is low. A blast force diminishes quite fast, and  no one died due to organs shredded by shock wave sheer, even standing almost next to it&#8230;</p>
<p>If there were fewer people so close, the carnage would have been greater. The people standing close blocked huge swaths of the material. Note that this kind of thing works best by placing outside the crowd, not deep in it. This is why its back by the wall. It maximizes the spread before contact n before deceleration.</p>
<p>The device is akin to what used to be calledca bouncing betty&#8230;.but cruder&#8230; </p>
<p>Sadly, most ppl think such devices are to kill. They are not. Just look at the numbers.  Everyone mostly focuses on dead. With politicians hacking up the emotional response so that irrational thjnking provides them power for a non fix</p>
<p>War devices since wwi are designed to maim not kill<br />
A maimed person is a resource drag and a emotional cut out for years and years&#8230;.</p>
<p>So if you get on the emote bandwangon n focus onvictims yiurcompleting the circuit that is required for the maiming to have its emotional effect<br />
The more the women get into their hanoi jane roll n dont get it the more effective the operation is</p>
<p>This doubles the desire ti hurt n maimchildren foe maximum psychological guerrilla warfare (even if its a kne man nutto)</p>
<p>Of course the person feeding the beast has some personal reason to help, which includes why helping is not helping but someghing else&#8230;.</p>
<p>Bathing in the misery for weeks is the whole tactical point<br />
And femknist culture norms bathing in the misery of millions and selfishness to induce a power transfer to the people making them squeel like stuck pigs</p>
<p>A social form of normalizing stockholme syndrome where they refuse to fight and instead try to ingratiate themselves by helping the attackers&#8230; personal psychology demands that if not complicit, they must personalize it and justify it to make it not so.</p>
<p>Its interesting to watch&#8230;.<br />
But lack of knowing or a higher framework has a person just doing whats instinctual and customary (given its comforting), making them easy to sxploit, control, n divide </p>
<p>How should u act?<br />
What should u focus on? (For what outcome)<br />
When will our ladies emotive capitol be used up and worndown till ghey vote whatever way they are toldjust to get some relief of the pressure in a defenders, providers,and whose responsible area of social life ghey lect out</p>
<p>Ruling n taking control in good times is easy</p>
<p>Understanding the repercusions and murderous outcomes due to this, poisons the soul beyond death&#8230;</p>
<p>Every termite whether cocnizant or not is part of taking down the house&#8230;. ignorance is no defense in law, why is it a defense in life????  Just cause ur acclimated, doesnt mean its good, it just meanns its harder to have the ethical will to stop and resist inventing why plowing forward like a lemmjng is a good thing or the right thing</p>
<p>We are lemkngs<br />
We are crazies<br />
We will feed our flower habits<br />
Pushing daises<br />
(Lemmings broadway show that illustrated ghe nihilism in the boomer revolution and its march towards embracing death)</p>
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		By: lacune		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They had a &quot;person of interest&quot; in custody on Monday afternoon, they raided his apartment and took out nine trash bags full of evidence, then Kerry met with the Saudi ambassador behind closed doors, and suddenly the &quot;person of interest&quot; transformed into a &quot;cooperative witness&quot;.  Now the trail is &quot;cold&quot;.

Methinks they had the person or one of the persons responsible and he (and the Saudi ambassador) cut a deal (maybe for some intelligence about future attacks) in order to keep the sterling name of Islam out of the picture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had a &#8220;person of interest&#8221; in custody on Monday afternoon, they raided his apartment and took out nine trash bags full of evidence, then Kerry met with the Saudi ambassador behind closed doors, and suddenly the &#8220;person of interest&#8221; transformed into a &#8220;cooperative witness&#8221;.  Now the trail is &#8220;cold&#8221;.</p>
<p>Methinks they had the person or one of the persons responsible and he (and the Saudi ambassador) cut a deal (maybe for some intelligence about future attacks) in order to keep the sterling name of Islam out of the picture.</p>
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		By: betsybounds		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 06:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl:

I&#039;ve expected a &quot;Reichstag Fire&quot; event of some sort for quite some time.  I think these wizards have been conducting sort of mini-Reichstag Fire events in abundance.  The only question I have is whether they&#039;re actually false flags or whether the wizards are just very alert and effective opportunists--or some combination of the two; my understanding of the actual Reichstag Fire is that it is to this day unclear which was the case; the outcome, however, was quite clear.

I thought maybe we were going to see some kind of explosion over Trayvon Martin, and indeed it&#039;s still simmering in some quarters and could yet explode.  Questions linger about the Newtown school shootings, I&#039;ve even seen some speculation that they didn&#039;t actually happen and were instead a put-up job, complete with pretty successful cover afterwards.  Boston certainly has overtones of several possibilities.  My gut says it was Islamic terrorism, but Islamists&#039; methods are pretty well-known by now and shouldn&#039;t be difficult for a determined cohort to mimic.

I also think the Left and the radical Islamists are allies of convenience with a mutual enemy:  Free people.  If they manage to defeat us, they will then dissolve their alliance and proceed to fight each other over the wreckage.

Because there can be only one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve expected a &#8220;Reichstag Fire&#8221; event of some sort for quite some time.  I think these wizards have been conducting sort of mini-Reichstag Fire events in abundance.  The only question I have is whether they&#8217;re actually false flags or whether the wizards are just very alert and effective opportunists&#8211;or some combination of the two; my understanding of the actual Reichstag Fire is that it is to this day unclear which was the case; the outcome, however, was quite clear.</p>
<p>I thought maybe we were going to see some kind of explosion over Trayvon Martin, and indeed it&#8217;s still simmering in some quarters and could yet explode.  Questions linger about the Newtown school shootings, I&#8217;ve even seen some speculation that they didn&#8217;t actually happen and were instead a put-up job, complete with pretty successful cover afterwards.  Boston certainly has overtones of several possibilities.  My gut says it was Islamic terrorism, but Islamists&#8217; methods are pretty well-known by now and shouldn&#8217;t be difficult for a determined cohort to mimic.</p>
<p>I also think the Left and the radical Islamists are allies of convenience with a mutual enemy:  Free people.  If they manage to defeat us, they will then dissolve their alliance and proceed to fight each other over the wreckage.</p>
<p>Because there can be only one.</p>
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