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		By: coach ã‚³ãƒ¬ã‚¯ã‚·ãƒ§ãƒ³		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-653044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coach ã‚³ãƒ¬ã‚¯ã‚·ãƒ§ãƒ³]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-574326</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 22:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo, isn&#039;t it painting with too broad a brush to say that the US has a more puritan heritage. The anti-smoking absolutism is pushed by so-called progressives who also pushed prohibition. Leftists are opposed to the tyranny of ideas pushed by religious types but do not think twice about pushing their own quasi-religious agenda on others. They are just jerks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo, isn&#8217;t it painting with too broad a brush to say that the US has a more puritan heritage. The anti-smoking absolutism is pushed by so-called progressives who also pushed prohibition. Leftists are opposed to the tyranny of ideas pushed by religious types but do not think twice about pushing their own quasi-religious agenda on others. They are just jerks.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-574320</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RB Glennie: what if someone has a bladder problem, and they have to take frequent bathroom breaks?

Or a circulation problem, and they have to get up every hour or so and walk around for a couple of minutes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RB Glennie: what if someone has a bladder problem, and they have to take frequent bathroom breaks?</p>
<p>Or a circulation problem, and they have to get up every hour or so and walk around for a couple of minutes?</p>
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		By: RB Glennie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-574318</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RB Glennie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi - I actually support the right of any employer not to hire cigarette-smokers, though I have no truck with smoking bans as they are imposed out-of-doors, as in public parks, swimming pools, or restaurant / bar patios.

Employers have the right, to my mind, not to be inconvenienced by the reality of smokers `going out for a smoke&#039; every half-hour; I know this as I have had to deal with this myself, as a workplace supervisor / manager.

Somehow, it has become accepted that, for smokers only, a dozen or so breaks of as long as ten minutes per day is required, whilst everyone else is forbidden this privilege.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I actually support the right of any employer not to hire cigarette-smokers, though I have no truck with smoking bans as they are imposed out-of-doors, as in public parks, swimming pools, or restaurant / bar patios.</p>
<p>Employers have the right, to my mind, not to be inconvenienced by the reality of smokers `going out for a smoke&#8217; every half-hour; I know this as I have had to deal with this myself, as a workplace supervisor / manager.</p>
<p>Somehow, it has become accepted that, for smokers only, a dozen or so breaks of as long as ten minutes per day is required, whilst everyone else is forbidden this privilege.</p>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-574291</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the early &#039;70s, I remember being at a party with smokers, and having to go outside for fresh air. (I would not date a smoker.)  In the late &#039;70s, I worked in an office with smokers; by 1PM the smoke was visible from half way to the ceiling.  Then we started selecting non-smokers, until we all didn&#039;t.  In the &#039;80s, I worked in a building with steam heat.  My office guys didn&#039;t smoke, but others did.  I could wear my uniform 2 days (hanging it in a plastic bag with moth balls overnight).  Then had to wash it.

So I&#039;m against smoking inside, but that&#039;s it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the early &#8217;70s, I remember being at a party with smokers, and having to go outside for fresh air. (I would not date a smoker.)  In the late &#8217;70s, I worked in an office with smokers; by 1PM the smoke was visible from half way to the ceiling.  Then we started selecting non-smokers, until we all didn&#8217;t.  In the &#8217;80s, I worked in a building with steam heat.  My office guys didn&#8217;t smoke, but others did.  I could wear my uniform 2 days (hanging it in a plastic bag with moth balls overnight).  Then had to wash it.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m against smoking inside, but that&#8217;s it.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-574161</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a copy of the 1967 Surgeon General report on smoking and health and it plainly shows that moderate smokers have lower mortality and disease rates than nonsmokers. You will not find this report on the Surgeon General website. It&#039;s politically incorrect so it&#039;s been dissapeared.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a copy of the 1967 Surgeon General report on smoking and health and it plainly shows that moderate smokers have lower mortality and disease rates than nonsmokers. You will not find this report on the Surgeon General website. It&#8217;s politically incorrect so it&#8217;s been dissapeared.</p>
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		By: Lurch		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-574116</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lurch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Will the do-gooders tell me next that because I own a gun I am not allowed to work at certain jobs?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the do-gooders tell me next that because I own a gun I am not allowed to work at certain jobs?</p>
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		By: Lurch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lurch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 15:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bottom line for me: is smoking legal, or illegal? It&#039;s legal so whether i smoke or not is my own damn business. Just because I am a slave to wages, must i give up my freedoms too??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line for me: is smoking legal, or illegal? It&#8217;s legal so whether i smoke or not is my own damn business. Just because I am a slave to wages, must i give up my freedoms too??</p>
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		By: Surellin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-574094</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Surellin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An Obamacare argument for encouraging smoking:  Assume that a heavy smoker loses (say) ten years of life (which of course come at the end of life, when one would probably be retired anyway).  Then assume (as I believe is true) that most medical costs in one&#039;s life are in the last year or so, and almost everybody will cost heavily in that time, rather than dropping dead unexpectedly and cheaply.  Then, voila!, smoking is GOOD for society. All those nasty smokers are forfeiting ten years of retirement (at the expense of everybody else) and not costing much more than average in end-of-life medical expenses.  And they&#039;re paying  up enormous taxes for their coffin nails in the meantime. Shouldn&#039;t the Death Panel folks be all in favor, then?  Just askin&#039;.  I smoke a pipe myself.  Molon Labe.

I smoke  a pipe myself. It&#039;s MUCH cheaper than ciggies.  And more civilized, IMNSHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Obamacare argument for encouraging smoking:  Assume that a heavy smoker loses (say) ten years of life (which of course come at the end of life, when one would probably be retired anyway).  Then assume (as I believe is true) that most medical costs in one&#8217;s life are in the last year or so, and almost everybody will cost heavily in that time, rather than dropping dead unexpectedly and cheaply.  Then, voila!, smoking is GOOD for society. All those nasty smokers are forfeiting ten years of retirement (at the expense of everybody else) and not costing much more than average in end-of-life medical expenses.  And they&#8217;re paying  up enormous taxes for their coffin nails in the meantime. Shouldn&#8217;t the Death Panel folks be all in favor, then?  Just askin&#8217;.  I smoke a pipe myself.  Molon Labe.</p>
<p>I smoke  a pipe myself. It&#8217;s MUCH cheaper than ciggies.  And more civilized, IMNSHO.</p>
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		By: Lizzy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/04/09/its-not-enough-to-banish-smoking-now-we-wont-hire-smokers/#comment-574050</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lizzy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So if the real reason for these bans on smokers is due to the &quot;health costs to the company of hiring a smoker&quot; and &quot;the fact that smokers themselves have more sick days and higher health costs in general,&quot; does this apply to pot smokers, too? I mean, in the states where it is now legal (and these employees aren&#039;t screened out using employee drug test)? I can&#039;t imagine that a pot smoker is any &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; reliable than a tabacco smoker. And what about cigar smokers? Or would that maybe adversely affect managers and CEO types?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if the real reason for these bans on smokers is due to the &#8220;health costs to the company of hiring a smoker&#8221; and &#8220;the fact that smokers themselves have more sick days and higher health costs in general,&#8221; does this apply to pot smokers, too? I mean, in the states where it is now legal (and these employees aren&#8217;t screened out using employee drug test)? I can&#8217;t imagine that a pot smoker is any <em>more</em> reliable than a tabacco smoker. And what about cigar smokers? Or would that maybe adversely affect managers and CEO types?</p>
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