The answer was always the same (because Gabe is a very smart guy): crickets.

…I finally gave up asking the question …he wasn’t going to fall into my “trap”, lol.

The only resolution to the question that is possible is to get the government out of the marriage business.

…which will not happen, as per my comments in the thread sharpie so kindly mentioned above.

I am no longer sanguine about the American Experiment. And (to repeat myself) just so, the world will burn.

This civilization will fall, broken, like all the ones before.

…it seems Pandora just can’t resist opening that damn box.

Pay attention to the landing page warning: the pages that follow are entirely NSFW.

Think about this: do you want your kids involved in this type of thing?

In a line today at the post office, a hip older man (my age) showed me cartoon from a magazine or newspaper – I forget which. Maybe the LATimes. Anyway, it showed God in long robes on some clouds with some cherubic adults lounging around with one another regardless of sex. God said, “I think I’ll see what happens if I make some of them this way.” Someone replied to God, “Remember what happened when you did that with color?”

I didn’t find it particularly funny, but the man in line did. I kind of said so and he no longer really wanted to talk with me anymore. I then said, “Some post modernist should ‘deconstruct’ that. You know how they like to use the word ‘deconstruct’.” He looked at me quizzically. I said, “Well, the cartoon is obviously left-ish, and yet there’s God in there and the left is not supposed to believe God made people that way–or any other way. It’s all evolution, just like color was, to adapt to the sun.” And then he said, unfunnily, “Oh yes and we all came originally from Africa and were all black.” That was odd.

Gomorrah will look like it always does: Jails, repressions, takings of property, takings of the wrong kinds of liberties, oppression, poverty, joylessness, joblessness, forced labor, forced confessions, show trials and bad faith all around.

Relative to the America-that-once-was, it will be hell.

The only real hope is that there are consequences for the denial of reality and the opposition to good and good people. The society which does that will eventually die out in its own way. Gomorrah was not fiction; it is myth. “Gomorrah” is always the cause of its own inevitable destruction – the cost being so high however, so it is cold comfort. It did not need to be.

God’s commandments, summed up in the ten commandments, are a whole. Destroy one and you will eventually see all destroyed.

The roots of our culture accepting SSM are found in accepting fornication and adultery. The latter more in a legal than cultural sense. But once sex could be obtained outside marriage and that became a norm, marriage morphed into a different thing.

davisbr brought that point in his post on March 28th, 2013 at 5:18 pm where he characterizes the issue as a King v Church issue.

It is a King v Church issue, because the Church retains the integrity of the Commandments and hence the role marriage provides that if you want sex, you get married.

The King enforces the new understanding of those without the limitations of Commandments.

You can see, with something almost like beauty, how Obama’s actions are “scripted” to provide a gov’t which has rejected Commandments.

The Word of God is a whole. King David expressed this frequently in his poetry.

The Founders understood that if G-d is the source of our rights then he is the source of our responsibilities. We cannot, because of integrity, compromise and accept a hybrid law.

The whole of the leftist movement can perhaps be best described as a war on oppresive self restraint.

We’re pretty much past where we can slip anymore.

Guns are taken away in Chicago and murder/crime/gang violence explodes. The citizen can’t protect himself, the city won’t enforce the guns laws against the criminals, and the city won’t prosecute and seek justice for victims. If you wanted to create a brownshirt army, this is how you would do it. Meanwhile various gov’t agencies amass ammunition. Gangs of black teens flash assualt whites as a hate crime and the Pres says one of them looks like his son if he had one. The economy supports the fraudulent, the crony, the lazy while the honest hardworking man is laughed at as a fool. The gay assault force savagely assails any who oppose their agenda and the gov’t approves.

Systems have their own times. People say, “Aww, the crazy nut jobs have always been saying chicken little.” But the long time of the warnings must be related to the system, whether it’s predicting an earthquake or economic/political super crisis.

The slipping time is about over. Reaping time comes.

Weird.