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		By: Lorenz Gude		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-563717</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorenz Gude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 03:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many countries, like Australia where I live,  have health outcomes much like America - life expectancy etc. What is unique to America is that the cost for those outcomes is about double - 16% of GDP in the US, 8.5% in Australia. The first time I have seen this problem openly discussed in US media is in a recent Time magazine article entitled Bitter Pill. It is not just Obamacare that is doomed. Hilariously, it LIMITS medical costs to 17% of GDP by 2017. The US medical system was unsustainable before Obamacare. Now it is significantly less so. I am an American, by the way who has spent about half my life in Australia. Like Neo I am a former liberal, but this issue is beyond ideological stance. The US has been so rich for so long that it has run the cost of Health Care (and higher education by the way) out of sight. If you have more money than most countries for 70 years such obviously good things as health care costs spiral out of control.  I don&#039;t know how it will work out, but there is pain ahead. One thing I learned from Bitter Pill was that the heath care industry spends more on lobbying than the defense industry. Good luck with getting those snouts out of the trough!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many countries, like Australia where I live,  have health outcomes much like America &#8211; life expectancy etc. What is unique to America is that the cost for those outcomes is about double &#8211; 16% of GDP in the US, 8.5% in Australia. The first time I have seen this problem openly discussed in US media is in a recent Time magazine article entitled Bitter Pill. It is not just Obamacare that is doomed. Hilariously, it LIMITS medical costs to 17% of GDP by 2017. The US medical system was unsustainable before Obamacare. Now it is significantly less so. I am an American, by the way who has spent about half my life in Australia. Like Neo I am a former liberal, but this issue is beyond ideological stance. The US has been so rich for so long that it has run the cost of Health Care (and higher education by the way) out of sight. If you have more money than most countries for 70 years such obviously good things as health care costs spiral out of control.  I don&#8217;t know how it will work out, but there is pain ahead. One thing I learned from Bitter Pill was that the heath care industry spends more on lobbying than the defense industry. Good luck with getting those snouts out of the trough!</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-561620</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 20:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We already know what Obamacare is going to do. We have two examples.  Tennessee enacted Hillarycare in 1995 and the first year budget was 2.5 billion. In 2004 the budget was 8.0 billion. The cost more than tripled in less than a decade. Hillary care became the largest line item in the Tennessee budget and was well on the way to bankrupting the state. They had to vastly scale back the program to stay solvent. Romneycare is bankrupting massatuches according to the state treasurer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already know what Obamacare is going to do. We have two examples.  Tennessee enacted Hillarycare in 1995 and the first year budget was 2.5 billion. In 2004 the budget was 8.0 billion. The cost more than tripled in less than a decade. Hillary care became the largest line item in the Tennessee budget and was well on the way to bankrupting the state. They had to vastly scale back the program to stay solvent. Romneycare is bankrupting massatuches according to the state treasurer.</p>
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		By: thomass		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-561455</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[M J R Says: 

A lot of it is also that we all want to see a real Dr every year (sometimes several times) for common colds (something they can&#039;t do anything about). 

I think we get very little for our money since if you have a more serious problem they don&#039;t typically catch them (IMO). They didn&#039;t mine and I&#039;m told by other doctors that my experience is the norm (oh they never get that; you end up in the ER and they do... of course ending up the ER means it progressed a lot....).]]></description>
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<p>A lot of it is also that we all want to see a real Dr every year (sometimes several times) for common colds (something they can&#8217;t do anything about). </p>
<p>I think we get very little for our money since if you have a more serious problem they don&#8217;t typically catch them (IMO). They didn&#8217;t mine and I&#8217;m told by other doctors that my experience is the norm (oh they never get that; you end up in the ER and they do&#8230; of course ending up the ER means it progressed a lot&#8230;.).</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-561255</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 07:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The WSJ article says MY premiums -- I&#039;m one of the independent buyers, and I&#039;m not dirt-poor -- could go up by &lt;b&gt;116%&lt;/b&gt;. 

DID I READ THAT RIGHT? Right now, it&#039;s over $600 a month in the buggered state of New York: that&#039;s an INDIVIDUAL policy. Combines the HMO restrictions with (as of last year) only 80% payout, not the 100% of yore.

God, how I LOATHE, EXECRATE, and ABOMINATE the PINKOS. Damn them all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WSJ article says MY premiums &#8212; I&#8217;m one of the independent buyers, and I&#8217;m not dirt-poor &#8212; could go up by <b>116%</b>. </p>
<p>DID I READ THAT RIGHT? Right now, it&#8217;s over $600 a month in the buggered state of New York: that&#8217;s an INDIVIDUAL policy. Combines the HMO restrictions with (as of last year) only 80% payout, not the 100% of yore.</p>
<p>God, how I LOATHE, EXECRATE, and ABOMINATE the PINKOS. Damn them all.</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-561151</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M J R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 04:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While we&#039;re on the subject . . .

BEGIN EXCERPT

Because it was a form of compensation and not true insurance, health coverage became ever more expansive and expensive. Employees were shielded from the true cost of what they were consuming and accordingly failed to economize. If food were provided as a fringe benefit of employment, we&#039;d dine on Chateaubriand every night. States compounded the problem in response to lobbying from particular providers, passing laws that required all insurance policies to cover expensive services, such as in vitro fertilization, pregnancy services, weight loss surgery and alcohol and drug rehabilitation programs. Over the past 30 years, 1800 mandates have been adopted, driving up the cost of insurance. This was bad enough for those with employer-provided insurance, but it hit those purchasing insurance individually particularly hard.
 
The high cost of insurance drove many who were not covered by employers to rely on hospital emergency rooms when they got sick. The federal government ratified this by mandating that hospitals treat all comers. Hospitals in turn charged more to their paying customers (i.e. insurance companies and the government through Medicare and Medicaid) to cover the costs of treating the uninsured. Rube Goldberg would be proud.

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Here&#039;s the link:  (by Mona Charen)

http://washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-should-prepare-for-the-collapse-of-obamacare/article/2525107]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re on the subject . . .</p>
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<p>Because it was a form of compensation and not true insurance, health coverage became ever more expansive and expensive. Employees were shielded from the true cost of what they were consuming and accordingly failed to economize. If food were provided as a fringe benefit of employment, we&#8217;d dine on Chateaubriand every night. States compounded the problem in response to lobbying from particular providers, passing laws that required all insurance policies to cover expensive services, such as in vitro fertilization, pregnancy services, weight loss surgery and alcohol and drug rehabilitation programs. Over the past 30 years, 1800 mandates have been adopted, driving up the cost of insurance. This was bad enough for those with employer-provided insurance, but it hit those purchasing insurance individually particularly hard.</p>
<p>The high cost of insurance drove many who were not covered by employers to rely on hospital emergency rooms when they got sick. The federal government ratified this by mandating that hospitals treat all comers. Hospitals in turn charged more to their paying customers (i.e. insurance companies and the government through Medicare and Medicaid) to cover the costs of treating the uninsured. Rube Goldberg would be proud.</p>
<p>END EXCERPT</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link:  (by Mona Charen)</p>
<p><a href="http://washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-should-prepare-for-the-collapse-of-obamacare/article/2525107" rel="nofollow ugc">http://washingtonexaminer.com/republicans-should-prepare-for-the-collapse-of-obamacare/article/2525107</a></p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-561048</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 01:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;because of it… gonna be a mess.&quot;

That was what was in &#039;it&#039; that they didn&#039;t want the proletariat to discover before it came crashing down upon their uninformed heads. The elitists hold us in utter contempt, I mirror back utter contempt to 10E12 upon them.  They are vermin.  I look forward to no daily bag limit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;because of it… gonna be a mess.&#8221;</p>
<p>That was what was in &#8216;it&#8217; that they didn&#8217;t want the proletariat to discover before it came crashing down upon their uninformed heads. The elitists hold us in utter contempt, I mirror back utter contempt to 10E12 upon them.  They are vermin.  I look forward to no daily bag limit.</p>
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		By: thomass		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-561022</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 00:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My brother works in healthcare. He is laying people off. Most of the clientele is elderly and medicare was paying the bills. New payment schedule, fewer workers. But he says the misery will be spread fairly since doctors in his community who were putting off retirement are retiring now because of obamacare... and people are going so far as to retire early because of it... gonna be a mess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother works in healthcare. He is laying people off. Most of the clientele is elderly and medicare was paying the bills. New payment schedule, fewer workers. But he says the misery will be spread fairly since doctors in his community who were putting off retirement are retiring now because of obamacare&#8230; and people are going so far as to retire early because of it&#8230; gonna be a mess.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-560992</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t know what you call that, but it’s not insurance as insurance has usually been defined.&quot;

Its the means to arrive at a single payer, statist healthcare system run by femi-nazi lesbians deciding who goes to the death camps.  Isn&#039;t that obvious?   (I&#039;m practicing at channeling artfldgr in less than 60,000 words.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t know what you call that, but it’s not insurance as insurance has usually been defined.&#8221;</p>
<p>Its the means to arrive at a single payer, statist healthcare system run by femi-nazi lesbians deciding who goes to the death camps.  Isn&#8217;t that obvious?   (I&#8217;m practicing at channeling artfldgr in less than 60,000 words.)</p>
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		By: Glen H		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-560982</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glen H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I dont completely agree with this. The essence of insurance is the pooling of risk, which is still there. I do agree the essence of insurance rates is going to be totally screwed up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont completely agree with this. The essence of insurance is the pooling of risk, which is still there. I do agree the essence of insurance rates is going to be totally screwed up.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/22/more-obamacare-prognostications/#comment-560970</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks rickl, I&#039;ll pass this along to my doc as a FYI.  The reason article reminded me of my childhood.  We paid the doctor with eggs, meat, and vegetables over the course of months if some serious medical problem happened.  Cash in the bank was a bit scarce in the 1950s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks rickl, I&#8217;ll pass this along to my doc as a FYI.  The reason article reminded me of my childhood.  We paid the doctor with eggs, meat, and vegetables over the course of months if some serious medical problem happened.  Cash in the bank was a bit scarce in the 1950s.</p>
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