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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-548173</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was always annoyed by bad drawing in cartoons -- as for instance in the five-panel test here -- and had trouble looking at the bad ones.   As a child, I was working hard on learning to draw well representationally (I later majored in art and did some illustration) and it annoyed the heck out of me when cartoonists - who were getting PAID TO DRAW for godsakes, didn&#039;t they realize how lucky they were?  -- contented themselves with bad work.  

I made myself stare at this one long enough to decide that it&#039;s 3-1-5-4-2 -- bum asks for a handout, gets an apple, is offended by cheapness of handout, demands more, gets money, and gives back apple as a kind of trade.  Dumb story, though, and it&#039;s hard to puzzle out the lumpy half-baked shapes in the drawings, and what are those wiggly lines, half-erased in some of the panels, over the top of the bum&#039;s hat?  

Well-drawn cartoons, though, are a joy to look at.  Calvin and Hobbes, for instance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always annoyed by bad drawing in cartoons &#8212; as for instance in the five-panel test here &#8212; and had trouble looking at the bad ones.   As a child, I was working hard on learning to draw well representationally (I later majored in art and did some illustration) and it annoyed the heck out of me when cartoonists &#8211; who were getting PAID TO DRAW for godsakes, didn&#8217;t they realize how lucky they were?  &#8212; contented themselves with bad work.  </p>
<p>I made myself stare at this one long enough to decide that it&#8217;s 3-1-5-4-2 &#8212; bum asks for a handout, gets an apple, is offended by cheapness of handout, demands more, gets money, and gives back apple as a kind of trade.  Dumb story, though, and it&#8217;s hard to puzzle out the lumpy half-baked shapes in the drawings, and what are those wiggly lines, half-erased in some of the panels, over the top of the bum&#8217;s hat?  </p>
<p>Well-drawn cartoons, though, are a joy to look at.  Calvin and Hobbes, for instance.</p>
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		By: Conrad		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-548113</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I didn’t like watching the creature being flattened and then springing back up again.&quot;

I agree.  Once an animal is dead, I want it to STAY dead, you know?  It&#039;s why I never liked &quot;Pet Sematary.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I didn’t like watching the creature being flattened and then springing back up again.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.  Once an animal is dead, I want it to STAY dead, you know?  It&#8217;s why I never liked &#8220;Pet Sematary.&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-547669</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A commenter over at Althouse wrote about this post: &quot;I wonder if her &#039;uncanny valley&#039; happens to be a lot wider than the average?&quot;

I think that&#039;s exactly correct for me.  I have an uncanny valley the size of the Grand Canyon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A commenter over at Althouse wrote about this post: &#8220;I wonder if her &#8216;uncanny valley&#8217; happens to be a lot wider than the average?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s exactly correct for me.  I have an uncanny valley the size of the Grand Canyon.</p>
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		By: M of Hollywood		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-547655</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M of Hollywood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tesh:  I&#039;m not surprised I have them backwards.  I rarely finish them - so what do I know.  I happened to see Shrek in a studio theater, so I was probably influenced by the grand setting.  So, no argument on Shrek.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tesh:  I&#8217;m not surprised I have them backwards.  I rarely finish them &#8211; so what do I know.  I happened to see Shrek in a studio theater, so I was probably influenced by the grand setting.  So, no argument on Shrek.</p>
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		By: Tesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-547650</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...that said, Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon were both better than Cars or Cars 2, so it&#039;s all a bit muddled, really.  *shrug*]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;that said, Kung Fu Panda and How to Train Your Dragon were both better than Cars or Cars 2, so it&#8217;s all a bit muddled, really.  *shrug*</p>
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		By: Tesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-547646</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[M of Hollywood, I&#039;d say you have Pixar/Dreamworks completely backwards.  Shrek is the epitome of idiotic pop-infused gutter &quot;humor&quot; trying hard for an Aesop ending.  Pixar is all *about* story.  Sure, sometimes they don&#039;t pull it off as well as they might, but they are far better than Dreamworks.

http://www.poe-news.com/forums/sp.php?pi=1001979235

Disclosure: I&#039;m an animator by trade, versed in the ways of Pixar and Dreamworks, raised on a hearty diet of Disney with a dash of anime and Warner Brothers... but well steeped in the deeply moral Western deserts of Utah.  There&#039;s absolutely much that is detestable in Hollywood, but Pixar is head and shoulders above the norm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M of Hollywood, I&#8217;d say you have Pixar/Dreamworks completely backwards.  Shrek is the epitome of idiotic pop-infused gutter &#8220;humor&#8221; trying hard for an Aesop ending.  Pixar is all *about* story.  Sure, sometimes they don&#8217;t pull it off as well as they might, but they are far better than Dreamworks.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.poe-news.com/forums/sp.php?pi=1001979235" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.poe-news.com/forums/sp.php?pi=1001979235</a></p>
<p>Disclosure: I&#8217;m an animator by trade, versed in the ways of Pixar and Dreamworks, raised on a hearty diet of Disney with a dash of anime and Warner Brothers&#8230; but well steeped in the deeply moral Western deserts of Utah.  There&#8217;s absolutely much that is detestable in Hollywood, but Pixar is head and shoulders above the norm.</p>
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		By: CV		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-547642</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 01:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You and your cartoon issues are a topic of discussion over at the Althouse blog, Neo.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and your cartoon issues are a topic of discussion over at the Althouse blog, Neo.</p>
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		By: George		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-547588</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[3-1-5-4-2.    4 confused me a bit because I just did not notice that the pocket contained the money and that the apple was being removed - apple location is above that shown in 1.  That test, I think, gives the advantage to the sharp-sighted over the myopic. A few years ago a great cartoon on one of the psyche-blogs showed a man lying on a couch being analysed by a quite serious looking, button-down, horned rimmed glasses man and as he writes, over his shoulder we read his legal pad:  &quot;Nutty as a fruitcake&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3-1-5-4-2.    4 confused me a bit because I just did not notice that the pocket contained the money and that the apple was being removed &#8211; apple location is above that shown in 1.  That test, I think, gives the advantage to the sharp-sighted over the myopic. A few years ago a great cartoon on one of the psyche-blogs showed a man lying on a couch being analysed by a quite serious looking, button-down, horned rimmed glasses man and as he writes, over his shoulder we read his legal pad:  &#8220;Nutty as a fruitcake&#8221;</p>
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		By: L'Homme Moyen		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/09/cartoons-and-me/#comment-547564</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Childhood IQ testing. Time, 2nd Grade. No, I don&#039;t remember my being tested specifically but do remember a private meeting with a women, not from the grade school, who I spent time with in a small room near the Principal&#039;s office who talked to me at length with the only question I recall these years later being about what I wanted to be in the future. This occurred circa 1949. As far as the testing making any impression on my schooling, it didn&#039;t as I had already started school a year younger than my classmates and I was a behavioral problem to the teachers. 

A few years ago Dad had stroke and entered a Nursing Home and soon died. Mother age 90 finally had to sell the house and dispose of accumulated detritis of living at same address for 70 odd years before entering assisted living facility.

My Sister found an envelope while cleaning out the house with my IQ test results from 1949 in a drawer and sent it to me. I had no idea it existed. On receiving the envelope a few mysteries were revealed. Two IQ tests were taken. First result was 145. Second was 165. Sister&#039;s wry comment was: &quot;Some spread, probably they mixed up the test results with someone else. Ha. Ha.&quot;

Actually what happened: 1) First test was a  Truncated IQ test with highest score 145; 2) Second test was from an one on one long form IQ test. The school had been told to identify any student with a top score and give that individual a non-truncated IQ test. The 165 IQ also explains my life so far.

Neither parent ever graduated from college. Mother was a house wife and had no intellectual life. Her parents were working class with the mother, my grand mother, being rather smart since she, having only a 6th grade education, worked on the side as a bookkeeper. My father had a high school education with some night school classes yet designed and oversaw the building of two specialized industrial plants. He then started his own industrial business running it successfully for over 25 years before selling it. It is still operating. His parents were immigrants but my grandfather always had a job because he was an artisan who worked in making decorative porcelain sinks and bathtubs something that took some smarts as well. My father&#039;s mother had 11 children who made it to maturity so she was really, really busy as there only two girls.

I as a kid had no interest in school, rarely studied yet ended up in the top 20 of a class of 300, all boys, in an honor high school. I did well enough on the SATS to get a scholarship to college. My GREs got me into an Ivy and a Doctorate in a science. The GRE scores, take in 1963, correlate quite well with that 2nd grade 165 IQ as 800 verbal and 800 quantitative give 163 IQ. In addition my Navy Aviation IQ test which I took in the early 1960s, all visual, raw score was 116 correct out of 116. BTW, my field test GRE in a science score was 960 out of 970.

L&#039;Homme Moyen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Childhood IQ testing. Time, 2nd Grade. No, I don&#8217;t remember my being tested specifically but do remember a private meeting with a women, not from the grade school, who I spent time with in a small room near the Principal&#8217;s office who talked to me at length with the only question I recall these years later being about what I wanted to be in the future. This occurred circa 1949. As far as the testing making any impression on my schooling, it didn&#8217;t as I had already started school a year younger than my classmates and I was a behavioral problem to the teachers. </p>
<p>A few years ago Dad had stroke and entered a Nursing Home and soon died. Mother age 90 finally had to sell the house and dispose of accumulated detritis of living at same address for 70 odd years before entering assisted living facility.</p>
<p>My Sister found an envelope while cleaning out the house with my IQ test results from 1949 in a drawer and sent it to me. I had no idea it existed. On receiving the envelope a few mysteries were revealed. Two IQ tests were taken. First result was 145. Second was 165. Sister&#8217;s wry comment was: &#8220;Some spread, probably they mixed up the test results with someone else. Ha. Ha.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually what happened: 1) First test was a  Truncated IQ test with highest score 145; 2) Second test was from an one on one long form IQ test. The school had been told to identify any student with a top score and give that individual a non-truncated IQ test. The 165 IQ also explains my life so far.</p>
<p>Neither parent ever graduated from college. Mother was a house wife and had no intellectual life. Her parents were working class with the mother, my grand mother, being rather smart since she, having only a 6th grade education, worked on the side as a bookkeeper. My father had a high school education with some night school classes yet designed and oversaw the building of two specialized industrial plants. He then started his own industrial business running it successfully for over 25 years before selling it. It is still operating. His parents were immigrants but my grandfather always had a job because he was an artisan who worked in making decorative porcelain sinks and bathtubs something that took some smarts as well. My father&#8217;s mother had 11 children who made it to maturity so she was really, really busy as there only two girls.</p>
<p>I as a kid had no interest in school, rarely studied yet ended up in the top 20 of a class of 300, all boys, in an honor high school. I did well enough on the SATS to get a scholarship to college. My GREs got me into an Ivy and a Doctorate in a science. The GRE scores, take in 1963, correlate quite well with that 2nd grade 165 IQ as 800 verbal and 800 quantitative give 163 IQ. In addition my Navy Aviation IQ test which I took in the early 1960s, all visual, raw score was 116 correct out of 116. BTW, my field test GRE in a science score was 960 out of 970.</p>
<p>L&#8217;Homme Moyen</p>
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		By: Bill Jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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