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		By: beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/08/john-hinderaker-fun-with-gun-and-homicide-statistics/#comment-546199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beverly]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It&quot; being worse meaning racism, Jim Crow, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#8221; being worse meaning racism, Jim Crow, etc.</p>
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		By: beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/08/john-hinderaker-fun-with-gun-and-homicide-statistics/#comment-546198</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 08:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, crime statistics have been kept in America since the 19th century.

In 1880 in New York State, e.g., about four blacks were imprisoned for every white -- today, that ratio is 12:1. The white crime level is very low in absolute terms, but something interesting has happened to the (always higher) black crime rate, which was &lt;i&gt;level &lt;/i&gt;from 1880 to 1960.

Starting in 1965-70, it took off -- vertically. And what happened in that time, ladies and gentlemen? Yes, that&#039;s right: LBJ&#039;s &quot;Great Society&quot; initiative and the vast expansion of the Welfare State.

Fathers leaving families; men no longer marrying women. In the black community, that is: in the white community, the crime rate has remained fairly steady at its comparatively low levels. 

In 1880: just over 200 blacks were in jail per 100,000 population.
In 1960: just over 250.
In 2000: about &lt;i&gt;1,200&lt;/i&gt; blacks per 100,000 population. 

That&#039;s an almost 500% increase in 40 years. Five Hundred Percent.

(Source: M. Alexander, &lt;i&gt;The New Jim Crow&lt;/i&gt;, 2010. Alexander ascribes this radical increase in criminal behavior to white &quot;racism.&quot; But it used to be much worse: so let&#039;s have another hypothesis, shall we?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, crime statistics have been kept in America since the 19th century.</p>
<p>In 1880 in New York State, e.g., about four blacks were imprisoned for every white &#8212; today, that ratio is 12:1. The white crime level is very low in absolute terms, but something interesting has happened to the (always higher) black crime rate, which was <i>level </i>from 1880 to 1960.</p>
<p>Starting in 1965-70, it took off &#8212; vertically. And what happened in that time, ladies and gentlemen? Yes, that&#8217;s right: LBJ&#8217;s &#8220;Great Society&#8221; initiative and the vast expansion of the Welfare State.</p>
<p>Fathers leaving families; men no longer marrying women. In the black community, that is: in the white community, the crime rate has remained fairly steady at its comparatively low levels. </p>
<p>In 1880: just over 200 blacks were in jail per 100,000 population.<br />
In 1960: just over 250.<br />
In 2000: about <i>1,200</i> blacks per 100,000 population. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s an almost 500% increase in 40 years. Five Hundred Percent.</p>
<p>(Source: M. Alexander, <i>The New Jim Crow</i>, 2010. Alexander ascribes this radical increase in criminal behavior to white &#8220;racism.&#8221; But it used to be much worse: so let&#8217;s have another hypothesis, shall we?)</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 07:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can only bear witness to my experience.  Beginning at age 6 I was instructed in the principals of firearm safety with a BB gun.  At age 8 I received my personal model 62 Winchester 22LR.  In the 10th grade, once a month boys (and a few girls) took their 22LR rifles to school along with 100 rounds of ammo.  We propped our rifles in the cloak room and placed our 2 boxes of ammo in our desks.  Starting at 1 PM every 4th Friday we collected our rifles and ammo and met the instructor, who happened to be the PE instructor and all around sports coach, for 45 minutes of range instruction.

There were no accidents and no one, not a single kid, ever considered misusing their rifle.  It was a better, more rational, and sane era. Coming from that era I accept no authority over my right to possess and use firearms in a legal, responsible matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only bear witness to my experience.  Beginning at age 6 I was instructed in the principals of firearm safety with a BB gun.  At age 8 I received my personal model 62 Winchester 22LR.  In the 10th grade, once a month boys (and a few girls) took their 22LR rifles to school along with 100 rounds of ammo.  We propped our rifles in the cloak room and placed our 2 boxes of ammo in our desks.  Starting at 1 PM every 4th Friday we collected our rifles and ammo and met the instructor, who happened to be the PE instructor and all around sports coach, for 45 minutes of range instruction.</p>
<p>There were no accidents and no one, not a single kid, ever considered misusing their rifle.  It was a better, more rational, and sane era. Coming from that era I accept no authority over my right to possess and use firearms in a legal, responsible matter.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 06:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parker, I wonder if things were so nice way back when.   A lot of history was never recorded, and the good old days were, by our standards, awful.   I doubt there are any reliable statistics on black on black crime or anything else prior to the 1950s.  What little I heard about white on white murder is that the levels are close to European standards, in other words, low.  

As for the homicide rate versus guns laws; the most obvious conclusion is that those states with tough gun laws enacted them because of the high murder rates and not that the gun laws make no difference.  Without the tough laws the murder rates could be higher.  There are no statistics showing what did not happen. 

Remember the saying, statistics are like psychologists at a trial, they testify for both sides.  That sounds more refined than the traditional, lies, damn lies and statistics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker, I wonder if things were so nice way back when.   A lot of history was never recorded, and the good old days were, by our standards, awful.   I doubt there are any reliable statistics on black on black crime or anything else prior to the 1950s.  What little I heard about white on white murder is that the levels are close to European standards, in other words, low.  </p>
<p>As for the homicide rate versus guns laws; the most obvious conclusion is that those states with tough gun laws enacted them because of the high murder rates and not that the gun laws make no difference.  Without the tough laws the murder rates could be higher.  There are no statistics showing what did not happen. </p>
<p>Remember the saying, statistics are like psychologists at a trial, they testify for both sides.  That sounds more refined than the traditional, lies, damn lies and statistics.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve followed this subject for decades. I&#039;ve read many studies, both pro and con.  The studies concentrate on the numbers and types of guns, strict laws, lenient laws, and so forth.  There may be some nuggets of use in all of these studies.

But the root problem is culture.  By culture I do not mean movies, video games, etc.  I blame the cultural breakdown in the black community, the absence of a committed father is the norm, and couple this with poor education and little incentive to work hard, it is rather simple to explain why the vast majority of our homicides involve young blacks killing young blacks.

Beyond the black community; there is in general a degree of shallowness in much of home life were busy parents and busy children rarely interact beyond here&#039;s the microwave meal, now lets watch TV before you do your home work and go to bed.  Next, society no longer introduces the young to the safe and constructive use of firearms.  A lot of that comes from the change from a rural society to an urban one.  And then there is the overall lack of politeness and an over abundance of rude and offensive public behavior.  

Sorry if I rambled.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve followed this subject for decades. I&#8217;ve read many studies, both pro and con.  The studies concentrate on the numbers and types of guns, strict laws, lenient laws, and so forth.  There may be some nuggets of use in all of these studies.</p>
<p>But the root problem is culture.  By culture I do not mean movies, video games, etc.  I blame the cultural breakdown in the black community, the absence of a committed father is the norm, and couple this with poor education and little incentive to work hard, it is rather simple to explain why the vast majority of our homicides involve young blacks killing young blacks.</p>
<p>Beyond the black community; there is in general a degree of shallowness in much of home life were busy parents and busy children rarely interact beyond here&#8217;s the microwave meal, now lets watch TV before you do your home work and go to bed.  Next, society no longer introduces the young to the safe and constructive use of firearms.  A lot of that comes from the change from a rural society to an urban one.  And then there is the overall lack of politeness and an over abundance of rude and offensive public behavior.  </p>
<p>Sorry if I rambled.</p>
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		By: Paul in Boston		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The part that will get no coverage at all is the horrendous murder rate among young black men.  Racism, of the liberal variety.  Or should it more correctly be called Monkeyism, see no evil...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part that will get no coverage at all is the horrendous murder rate among young black men.  Racism, of the liberal variety.  Or should it more correctly be called Monkeyism, see no evil&#8230;</p>
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