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		By: KLSmith		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/02/the-press-has-won/#comment-541400</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KLSmith]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar: Kelly died covering the war in Iraq when the Humvee he was in overturned.
Both were taken too young, both left behind young children, and both were devasting losses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar: Kelly died covering the war in Iraq when the Humvee he was in overturned.<br />
Both were taken too young, both left behind young children, and both were devasting losses.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/02/the-press-has-won/#comment-541392</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The whole idea that press significantly molds opinion doesn’t survive close scrutiny. First, there is a plenty of conservative press both old and new and yet somehow it doesn’t manage to mold anything.&quot;-Marvin

Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.

One doesn&#039;t even necessarily need the press to brainwash the fools in the US. Which are perhaps a majority now a days. Conservative press have yet to graduate from propaganda 101, let alone 201.

The power equation is a bit imbalanced.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The whole idea that press significantly molds opinion doesn’t survive close scrutiny. First, there is a plenty of conservative press both old and new and yet somehow it doesn’t manage to mold anything.&#8221;-Marvin</p>
<p>Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house.</p>
<p>One doesn&#8217;t even necessarily need the press to brainwash the fools in the US. Which are perhaps a majority now a days. Conservative press have yet to graduate from propaganda 101, let alone 201.</p>
<p>The power equation is a bit imbalanced.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/02/the-press-has-won/#comment-541384</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 17:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[KLSmith, rather convenient that they keep dieing due to those heart attacks, now isn&#039;t it.

The Left&#039;s primary weakness is that their internal security must be at the maximum, otherwise they risk being infiltrated and destroyed as they did to the US.

Journalists that go into the world, learn the truth outside the control of Leftist propaganda, are more dangerous than REpublican senators. Their termination is a safety valve for the Left.

In terms of judicial execution of terrorists and enemies of humanity, that should really be a personal judgment. All too many people wish to out source the dirty work to others, as if they can be trusted to know red from black.

In a way, because people cannot reach the Left&#039;s strong hold in America to damage it in any successful manner, oversea casualties can stoke that buried emotion of resentment. 

Those that do not consider themselves capable of lethal force, often fantasize about people dying due to the push of a button or by the hands of others. In the case of the former, it is merely a fantasy, for they believe it would either not happen or that they would not be capable of pushing the button when it really happens. In the case of the latter, it is easy to brush off as the consequence of some other madman&#039;s cause and not in anyway directly related to themselves as the origin point.


MJR, a true believer is someone who is already prepared to kill or die for the cause. Because they believe in the cause.

How many of the Left are prepared to die? How many are prepared to kill? So far the ratio is no more than the Revolutionary War times, when 10% of the population lead the other 90% in war or exile.

The enemies that the US military power should have been killing weren&#039;t foreign terrorists. They shouldn&#039;t have been water boarding terrorists. They shouldn&#039;t have been assassinating and killing those overseas. They should have been applying the full power of whatever they had in cleansing America of domestic enemies, enemies of humanity, aristocrat lords of Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans, and every other Democrat fiefdom in existence of slavery and serfdom.

For the greatest enemy is never outside the gates, but the traitors within.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KLSmith, rather convenient that they keep dieing due to those heart attacks, now isn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>The Left&#8217;s primary weakness is that their internal security must be at the maximum, otherwise they risk being infiltrated and destroyed as they did to the US.</p>
<p>Journalists that go into the world, learn the truth outside the control of Leftist propaganda, are more dangerous than REpublican senators. Their termination is a safety valve for the Left.</p>
<p>In terms of judicial execution of terrorists and enemies of humanity, that should really be a personal judgment. All too many people wish to out source the dirty work to others, as if they can be trusted to know red from black.</p>
<p>In a way, because people cannot reach the Left&#8217;s strong hold in America to damage it in any successful manner, oversea casualties can stoke that buried emotion of resentment. </p>
<p>Those that do not consider themselves capable of lethal force, often fantasize about people dying due to the push of a button or by the hands of others. In the case of the former, it is merely a fantasy, for they believe it would either not happen or that they would not be capable of pushing the button when it really happens. In the case of the latter, it is easy to brush off as the consequence of some other madman&#8217;s cause and not in anyway directly related to themselves as the origin point.</p>
<p>MJR, a true believer is someone who is already prepared to kill or die for the cause. Because they believe in the cause.</p>
<p>How many of the Left are prepared to die? How many are prepared to kill? So far the ratio is no more than the Revolutionary War times, when 10% of the population lead the other 90% in war or exile.</p>
<p>The enemies that the US military power should have been killing weren&#8217;t foreign terrorists. They shouldn&#8217;t have been water boarding terrorists. They shouldn&#8217;t have been assassinating and killing those overseas. They should have been applying the full power of whatever they had in cleansing America of domestic enemies, enemies of humanity, aristocrat lords of Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans, and every other Democrat fiefdom in existence of slavery and serfdom.</p>
<p>For the greatest enemy is never outside the gates, but the traitors within.</p>
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		By: Lorenz Gude		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/02/the-press-has-won/#comment-541342</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think we really are getting a better handle on what is happening given both Neo&#039;s original article and the comments. After seeing the MSM discredit Bush and push Obama on the country even over Hillary it has become increasingly clear, as the comments show, that the &#039;march through the institutions&#039; has been highly effective. But &#039;conservative&#039; thought is evolving, seeking to grapple with fundamental problems,  while the left is quite serene in its mid century based vision of the future to which they have added the distortions of post colonialism and political correctness. .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we really are getting a better handle on what is happening given both Neo&#8217;s original article and the comments. After seeing the MSM discredit Bush and push Obama on the country even over Hillary it has become increasingly clear, as the comments show, that the &#8216;march through the institutions&#8217; has been highly effective. But &#8216;conservative&#8217; thought is evolving, seeking to grapple with fundamental problems,  while the left is quite serene in its mid century based vision of the future to which they have added the distortions of post colonialism and political correctness. .</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 12:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ref libs and science:  Various folks in or near the university situation have said for years that libs are grossly underrepresented in the STEM fields.  And that was before the advent of Angry Studies, which tilted things even further.
I guess in STEM, it either works or it doesn&#039;t and calling a chemical reaction nasty names doesn&#039;t help much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ref libs and science:  Various folks in or near the university situation have said for years that libs are grossly underrepresented in the STEM fields.  And that was before the advent of Angry Studies, which tilted things even further.<br />
I guess in STEM, it either works or it doesn&#8217;t and calling a chemical reaction nasty names doesn&#8217;t help much.</p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/02/the-press-has-won/#comment-541235</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It seems television has placed so many Americans like the frog in boiling water. I&#039;m convinced my elderly neighbor lady would not notice if her blaring television went to nothing but mindless commercials 24/7. Hey they don&#039;t call it programming for nothing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems television has placed so many Americans like the frog in boiling water. I&#8217;m convinced my elderly neighbor lady would not notice if her blaring television went to nothing but mindless commercials 24/7. Hey they don&#8217;t call it programming for nothing.</p>
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		By: KLSmith		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/02/the-press-has-won/#comment-541204</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 09:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michael Kelly was indeed a huge loss. My favorite op-ed columnist. He and Breitbart were both truth tellers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Kelly was indeed a huge loss. My favorite op-ed columnist. He and Breitbart were both truth tellers.</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/02/the-press-has-won/#comment-541122</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 04:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RickZ, 6:29 pm -- &quot;They certainly don’t believe in the science as they manipulate it to fit their progressive control agenda, or they ignore contradicting science completely. . . . They are true believers in the power that such total control brings.&quot;

I suggest that belief is a feedback phenomenon:  &quot;they believe in the science&quot; ^because^ it fits &quot;their progressive control agenda&quot;, ^because^ &quot;they believe in the science&quot;, ^because^ it fits &quot;their progressive control agenda&quot;, ^because^ &quot;they believe in the science&quot;, etc. ad infintium.

As to &quot;ignor[ing] contradicting science completely&quot;, yes:  since it doesn&#039;t fit the feedback loop, contradicting science gets ignored -- or stifled, suppressed, punishable by banishment from the mainstream.  But they do believe whatever part of the &quot;science&quot; furthers their agenda (ignoring/suppressing the rest), which in turn buttresses their belief in that part of the science, which in turn furthers their agenda, which in turn . . .

HELLLLP! [ smile ]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RickZ, 6:29 pm &#8212; &#8220;They certainly don’t believe in the science as they manipulate it to fit their progressive control agenda, or they ignore contradicting science completely. . . . They are true believers in the power that such total control brings.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suggest that belief is a feedback phenomenon:  &#8220;they believe in the science&#8221; ^because^ it fits &#8220;their progressive control agenda&#8221;, ^because^ &#8220;they believe in the science&#8221;, ^because^ it fits &#8220;their progressive control agenda&#8221;, ^because^ &#8220;they believe in the science&#8221;, etc. ad infintium.</p>
<p>As to &#8220;ignor[ing] contradicting science completely&#8221;, yes:  since it doesn&#8217;t fit the feedback loop, contradicting science gets ignored &#8212; or stifled, suppressed, punishable by banishment from the mainstream.  But they do believe whatever part of the &#8220;science&#8221; furthers their agenda (ignoring/suppressing the rest), which in turn buttresses their belief in that part of the science, which in turn furthers their agenda, which in turn . . .</p>
<p>HELLLLP! [ smile ]</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/03/02/the-press-has-won/#comment-541093</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 03:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Occam&#039;s Beard: oh, so they all thought exactly like Mike Wallace?  Do you read their minds?  Or whether they did or didn&#039;t, you think they all deserve the death penalty anyway?  They must all pay as representatives of the same class, &quot;reporter,&quot; as Mike Wallace, and you care not one whit for their deaths or their families&#039; grief?

For example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kelly_%28editor%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michael Kelly&lt;/a&gt;, the first US reporter killed in the Iraq War?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Kelly was critical of the political establishment in both political parties, as well as of the power structure in Hollywood. He authored, for instance, a devastating critique of Ted Kennedy that ran in GQ in 1990 and was reprinted by that magazine upon Kennedy&#039;s death; he skewered Al Gore numerous times over the years.

Kelly was a supporter of US military intervention during both the Clinton Administration and George W. Bush&#039;s administration. He was an outspoken critic of the anti-Iraq war movement. He coined the term &quot;fusion paranoia&quot; to refer to a political convergence of left-wing and right-wing activists around anti-war issues and civil liberties, which he claimed were motivated by a shared belief in conspiracism or anti-government views.

In September 2002, Kelly sharply criticized former vice president Al Gore for a speech that condemned the Bush administration&#039;s efforts to generate support for the coming invasion of Iraq. In a column in The Washington Post, Kelly wrote Gore&#039;s speech was &quot;wretched. It was vile. It was contemptible.&quot; He said Gore&#039;s speech &quot;was one no decent politician could have delivered&quot; and was &quot;bereft of anything other than taunts and jibes and embarrassingly obvious lies.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Or how about Daniel Pearl? 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nationalreview.com/lopez/lopez200508030843.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steven Vincent&lt;/a&gt;?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam&#8217;s Beard: oh, so they all thought exactly like Mike Wallace?  Do you read their minds?  Or whether they did or didn&#8217;t, you think they all deserve the death penalty anyway?  They must all pay as representatives of the same class, &#8220;reporter,&#8221; as Mike Wallace, and you care not one whit for their deaths or their families&#8217; grief?</p>
<p>For example, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kelly_%28editor%29" rel="nofollow">Michael Kelly</a>, the first US reporter killed in the Iraq War?</p>
<blockquote><p>Kelly was critical of the political establishment in both political parties, as well as of the power structure in Hollywood. He authored, for instance, a devastating critique of Ted Kennedy that ran in GQ in 1990 and was reprinted by that magazine upon Kennedy&#8217;s death; he skewered Al Gore numerous times over the years.</p>
<p>Kelly was a supporter of US military intervention during both the Clinton Administration and George W. Bush&#8217;s administration. He was an outspoken critic of the anti-Iraq war movement. He coined the term &#8220;fusion paranoia&#8221; to refer to a political convergence of left-wing and right-wing activists around anti-war issues and civil liberties, which he claimed were motivated by a shared belief in conspiracism or anti-government views.</p>
<p>In September 2002, Kelly sharply criticized former vice president Al Gore for a speech that condemned the Bush administration&#8217;s efforts to generate support for the coming invasion of Iraq. In a column in The Washington Post, Kelly wrote Gore&#8217;s speech was &#8220;wretched. It was vile. It was contemptible.&#8221; He said Gore&#8217;s speech &#8220;was one no decent politician could have delivered&#8221; and was &#8220;bereft of anything other than taunts and jibes and embarrassingly obvious lies.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Or how about Daniel Pearl? </p>
<p><a href="http://old.nationalreview.com/lopez/lopez200508030843.asp" rel="nofollow">Steven Vincent</a>?</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 03:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Mike Wallace had no shame in admitting that he would just roll tape. &lt;/i&gt;

One of the many reasons why when I learned of a &quot;journalist&quot; getting killed in Iraq or Afghanistan it troubled me not in the least.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mike Wallace had no shame in admitting that he would just roll tape. </i></p>
<p>One of the many reasons why when I learned of a &#8220;journalist&#8221; getting killed in Iraq or Afghanistan it troubled me not in the least.</p>
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