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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/26/if-you-call-someone-a-marxist-youre-a-mccarthyite/#comment-538288</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, I guess that it may have been the big series of links that caused my comment not to take.

Was just trying to show a paper trail to the conclusion.

I&#039;ll cut to the chase. Eventually the blog articles on Cruz and his critic lead to this. A proudly dogmatic exposition precisely capturing what is at issue for those of us on the opposite, rights affirming, side.

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/bridge/CriticalTheory/rights.htm

Thus:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Scholars participating in the Conference on Critical Legal Studies developed a critique of rights characteristic of mainstream legal thought. Feminists and critical race theorists, although showing some sympathy for this critique, nonetheless responded with defenses of rights that diverge from both critical legal studies and mainstream legal thought.
 
The Critique of Rights
The critique rights developed by critical legal theorists has five basic elements:
1. The discourse of rights is less useful in securing progressive social change than liberal theorists and politicians assume. 
2. Legal rights are in fact indeterminate and incoherent. 
3. The use of rights discourse stunts human imagination and mystifies people about how law really works. 
4. At least as prevailing in American law, the discourse of rights reflects and produces a kind of isolated individualism that hinders social solidarity and genuine human connection. 
5. Rights discourse can actually impede progressive movement for genuine democracy and justice. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



No wonder then that it mystifyingly feels to so many that one cannot reason with the left, that conversation is really at cross purposes. It is because you &lt;b&gt;really cannot&lt;/b&gt; reason with them on principles,  and because such talk is at cross purposes.

Yours, is to ground and understand and infer; theirs to shape. 

Neo&#039;s friends and family aside, they, the leftist/liberals,  clearly do constitute - for whatever reason and by whatever process -  a morally different type of being, operating off of almost completely different anthropological premises and aiming for radically different ends.

The sooner indignantly -if not comically -  sputtering conservatives wake up to what it is that they are actually confronting, the better prepared they will be to deal with those solidarity pimping &quot;species beings&quot; which plan to devour their lives ...


... and possibly reconstitute all humanity in the process.

www dot ejil.org/pdfs/3/2/2039.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I guess that it may have been the big series of links that caused my comment not to take.</p>
<p>Was just trying to show a paper trail to the conclusion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll cut to the chase. Eventually the blog articles on Cruz and his critic lead to this. A proudly dogmatic exposition precisely capturing what is at issue for those of us on the opposite, rights affirming, side.</p>
<p><a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/bridge/CriticalTheory/rights.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/bridge/CriticalTheory/rights.htm</a></p>
<p>Thus:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Scholars participating in the Conference on Critical Legal Studies developed a critique of rights characteristic of mainstream legal thought. Feminists and critical race theorists, although showing some sympathy for this critique, nonetheless responded with defenses of rights that diverge from both critical legal studies and mainstream legal thought.</p>
<p>The Critique of Rights<br />
The critique rights developed by critical legal theorists has five basic elements:<br />
1. The discourse of rights is less useful in securing progressive social change than liberal theorists and politicians assume.<br />
2. Legal rights are in fact indeterminate and incoherent.<br />
3. The use of rights discourse stunts human imagination and mystifies people about how law really works.<br />
4. At least as prevailing in American law, the discourse of rights reflects and produces a kind of isolated individualism that hinders social solidarity and genuine human connection.<br />
5. Rights discourse can actually impede progressive movement for genuine democracy and justice. </p></blockquote>
<p>No wonder then that it mystifyingly feels to so many that one cannot reason with the left, that conversation is really at cross purposes. It is because you <b>really cannot</b> reason with them on principles,  and because such talk is at cross purposes.</p>
<p>Yours, is to ground and understand and infer; theirs to shape. </p>
<p>Neo&#8217;s friends and family aside, they, the leftist/liberals,  clearly do constitute &#8211; for whatever reason and by whatever process &#8211;  a morally different type of being, operating off of almost completely different anthropological premises and aiming for radically different ends.</p>
<p>The sooner indignantly -if not comically &#8211;  sputtering conservatives wake up to what it is that they are actually confronting, the better prepared they will be to deal with those solidarity pimping &#8220;species beings&#8221; which plan to devour their lives &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; and possibly reconstitute all humanity in the process.</p>
<p>www dot ejil.org/pdfs/3/2/2039.pdf</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/26/if-you-call-someone-a-marxist-youre-a-mccarthyite/#comment-538283</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/26/if-you-call-someone-a-marxist-youre-a-mccarthyite/#comment-538180</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are not in a fight against those with different politics. The debate or argument between which works better/best, socialism for the common good or capitalism based upon a system of merit, is not the issue at hand.

The primary and critical issue at hand is whether Good or Evil triumphs in the end, whether the forces of Light or the forces of Darkness will govern the nations of man.

The Left here in the US can adopt all the forms of robber capitalism, become billionaires off of it while starving the poor wretches of the inner city Democrat fiefdoms, and they are not good. Just because they use capitalism to enrich themselves, does not mean they fight for the Light. William Ayers can get rich and have his own mansion based upon the backs of the proletariat, using capitalism to laundry his money, but it doesn&#039;t make him a proponent of politics supporting capitalism.

The issue is not about converting people from &quot;capitalism&quot; to &quot;communism&quot;, or from &quot;communism&quot; to &quot;capitalism&quot;. Those are merely human labels and tools. The Left, will be just as evil, just as filled with murderers and rapists, just as corrupt, with capitalism at their backs as with socialism and communism.

&quot;Politics&quot; is not the war we fight, for it won&#039;t determine which side wins in the end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not in a fight against those with different politics. The debate or argument between which works better/best, socialism for the common good or capitalism based upon a system of merit, is not the issue at hand.</p>
<p>The primary and critical issue at hand is whether Good or Evil triumphs in the end, whether the forces of Light or the forces of Darkness will govern the nations of man.</p>
<p>The Left here in the US can adopt all the forms of robber capitalism, become billionaires off of it while starving the poor wretches of the inner city Democrat fiefdoms, and they are not good. Just because they use capitalism to enrich themselves, does not mean they fight for the Light. William Ayers can get rich and have his own mansion based upon the backs of the proletariat, using capitalism to laundry his money, but it doesn&#8217;t make him a proponent of politics supporting capitalism.</p>
<p>The issue is not about converting people from &#8220;capitalism&#8221; to &#8220;communism&#8221;, or from &#8220;communism&#8221; to &#8220;capitalism&#8221;. Those are merely human labels and tools. The Left, will be just as evil, just as filled with murderers and rapists, just as corrupt, with capitalism at their backs as with socialism and communism.</p>
<p>&#8220;Politics&#8221; is not the war we fight, for it won&#8217;t determine which side wins in the end.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Oh, and the poor widdle Hollywood Ten? They WERE Communists.&lt;/i&gt;

Unfortunately for McCarthy, the truth is/was no defense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh, and the poor widdle Hollywood Ten? They WERE Communists.</i></p>
<p>Unfortunately for McCarthy, the truth is/was no defense.</p>
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		By: nolanimrod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 16:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Democrats cannot be embarrassed. They are, in the original sense of the word, shameless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats cannot be embarrassed. They are, in the original sense of the word, shameless.</p>
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		By: beverly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/26/if-you-call-someone-a-marxist-youre-a-mccarthyite/#comment-537810</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Occam: don&#039;t forget &quot;The Struggle!&quot; They&#039;re always &quot;struggling&quot; with something. Or down with the struggle....

Like German National Socialist Hitler&#039;s magnum opus: &quot;My Struggle.&quot;

Ann Coulter, to give her credit, has ridden into battle in McCarthy&#039;s defense loudly and often. Oh, and the poor widdle Hollywood Ten? They WERE Communists. IIRC, Bogart, who went to Washington to speak to Congress in their defense, was livid when he found out they were actual Commies. Apparently he was an old-style liberal, and despised totalitarianism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Occam: don&#8217;t forget &#8220;The Struggle!&#8221; They&#8217;re always &#8220;struggling&#8221; with something. Or down with the struggle&#8230;.</p>
<p>Like German National Socialist Hitler&#8217;s magnum opus: &#8220;My Struggle.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ann Coulter, to give her credit, has ridden into battle in McCarthy&#8217;s defense loudly and often. Oh, and the poor widdle Hollywood Ten? They WERE Communists. IIRC, Bogart, who went to Washington to speak to Congress in their defense, was livid when he found out they were actual Commies. Apparently he was an old-style liberal, and despised totalitarianism.</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 04:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I brought up that a lot of people accused of being communists were actually communists (he had been using a witch hunt argument)… at which point he switched to a 1 amendment argument and said being a communist should be a free speech thing.&lt;/i&gt;

The switch said it all.

Btw, &quot;witch hunt&quot; seems to be one of those phrases that is utterly diagnostic of a Red sympathizer, along with, e.g., &quot;solidarity,&quot; &quot;hands off,&quot; and &quot;defend,&quot; and any permutation/combination of two or more of &quot;peace,&quot; &quot;freedom,&quot; &quot;equality,&quot; and &quot;justice,&quot; in juxtaposition with each other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I brought up that a lot of people accused of being communists were actually communists (he had been using a witch hunt argument)… at which point he switched to a 1 amendment argument and said being a communist should be a free speech thing.</i></p>
<p>The switch said it all.</p>
<p>Btw, &#8220;witch hunt&#8221; seems to be one of those phrases that is utterly diagnostic of a Red sympathizer, along with, e.g., &#8220;solidarity,&#8221; &#8220;hands off,&#8221; and &#8220;defend,&#8221; and any permutation/combination of two or more of &#8220;peace,&#8221; &#8220;freedom,&#8221; &#8220;equality,&#8221; and &#8220;justice,&#8221; in juxtaposition with each other.</p>
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		By: waltj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For a good, if intricately detailed, read on the what, why, and how the Junior Senator from Wisconsin set out to find communists in the U.S. government and was ultimately ruined by that quest, see &lt;i&gt;Blacklisted by History&lt;/i&gt;, M. Stanton Evans&#039; fine book on the topic.  Without going into the minutiae here, Tailgunner Joe got it right, but was astoundingly naive about how his opponents would react.  Thus, Sen. McCarthy is the one who ended up the pariah rather than the commies he outed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a good, if intricately detailed, read on the what, why, and how the Junior Senator from Wisconsin set out to find communists in the U.S. government and was ultimately ruined by that quest, see <i>Blacklisted by History</i>, M. Stanton Evans&#8217; fine book on the topic.  Without going into the minutiae here, Tailgunner Joe got it right, but was astoundingly naive about how his opponents would react.  Thus, Sen. McCarthy is the one who ended up the pariah rather than the commies he outed.</p>
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		By: thomass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[parker Says: 

&quot; which they see as a badge of honor; instead call them fascists or latent fascists&quot;

I like stalinist too.. maoist doesn&#039;t work though since too many also see it a badge of honor thing also.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parker Says: </p>
<p>&#8221; which they see as a badge of honor; instead call them fascists or latent fascists&#8221;</p>
<p>I like stalinist too.. maoist doesn&#8217;t work though since too many also see it a badge of honor thing also.</p>
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		By: thomass		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 03:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah; I got into this in high school with a social studies teacher while in his class... I brought up that a lot of people accused of being communists were actually communists (he had been using a witch hunt argument)... at which point he switched to a 1 amendment argument and said being a communist should be a free speech thing. I think he lost with the audience at that point. I mean he had a point.. if we set the sedition stuff aside... Now that most young people don&#039;t really get that a communist was basically a tool or agent of a hostile foreign power that really murdered tens of millions of people... not sure I would today...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah; I got into this in high school with a social studies teacher while in his class&#8230; I brought up that a lot of people accused of being communists were actually communists (he had been using a witch hunt argument)&#8230; at which point he switched to a 1 amendment argument and said being a communist should be a free speech thing. I think he lost with the audience at that point. I mean he had a point.. if we set the sedition stuff aside&#8230; Now that most young people don&#8217;t really get that a communist was basically a tool or agent of a hostile foreign power that really murdered tens of millions of people&#8230; not sure I would today&#8230;</p>
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