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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 04:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

I had forgotton about the &quot;you just fell asleep&quot; line.  Thanks.  I agree completely with your last comment which, I repeat, &quot;was lost on those who think they have a higher degree of critical thought and sensitivity than the average viewer&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>I had forgotton about the &#8220;you just fell asleep&#8221; line.  Thanks.  I agree completely with your last comment which, I repeat, &#8220;was lost on those who think they have a higher degree of critical thought and sensitivity than the average viewer&#8221;.</p>
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		By: CV		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/02/another-year-another-groundhog-day/#comment-522774</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 00:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jonah Goldberg also wrote a great column about this movie:

http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/228088

I never get tired of watching it and very time I notice something I hadn&#039;t noticed before. Love it! Right down to the annoying but very apropos Sonny and Cher lyrics that start every Groundhog Day for Phil.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonah Goldberg also wrote a great column about this movie:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/228088" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nationalreview.com/blogs/print/228088</a></p>
<p>I never get tired of watching it and very time I notice something I hadn&#8217;t noticed before. Love it! Right down to the annoying but very apropos Sonny and Cher lyrics that start every Groundhog Day for Phil.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/02/another-year-another-groundhog-day/#comment-522693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 20:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[T: it was even more explicit than that.  Rita says he fell asleep (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/g/groundhog-day-script-transcript.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from the script&lt;/a&gt;, part of the movie&#039;s last scene) [emphasis mine]:

&lt;blockquote&gt;                   

(P) Something is different.

(R) Good or bad?

(P)Anything different is good...

but this could be real good.

Why are you here?

 (R) I bought you. I own you.   

 (P) But why are you still here?                  

(R) You said stay, so I stayed.

(P) I said stay, so you stayed?

I can&#039;t even make a collie stay.

I gotta check something.

Stay...

They&#039;re gone!  They&#039;re all gone!  Do you know what today is?

(R)  What?

(P) Today is tomorrow.  It happened.

You&#039;re here.

(R) I&#039;m here.  [I recall that at this point they kiss passionately]

&lt;strong&gt;Why weren&#039;t you like this last night?

You just fell sleep.&lt;/strong&gt;

[P} It was the end of a very long day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, someone could argue she means he fell asleep right &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; sex (although that would be stretching it ridiculously, because she says he &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt;---as in, &quot;only&quot;---fell asleep), but that person would be tone deaf to what&#039;s going on in &lt;i&gt;this&lt;/i&gt; scene &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; in the scene the night before.  The one the night before is not sexual in nature, whereas this one hints much more at sex.  You get the idea that &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt; finally, the relationship will definitely be consummated.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T: it was even more explicit than that.  Rita says he fell asleep (<a href="http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/g/groundhog-day-script-transcript.html" rel="nofollow">from the script</a>, part of the movie&#8217;s last scene) [emphasis mine]:</p>
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<p>(P) Something is different.</p>
<p>(R) Good or bad?</p>
<p>(P)Anything different is good&#8230;</p>
<p>but this could be real good.</p>
<p>Why are you here?</p>
<p> (R) I bought you. I own you.   </p>
<p> (P) But why are you still here?                  </p>
<p>(R) You said stay, so I stayed.</p>
<p>(P) I said stay, so you stayed?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t even make a collie stay.</p>
<p>I gotta check something.</p>
<p>Stay&#8230;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re gone!  They&#8217;re all gone!  Do you know what today is?</p>
<p>(R)  What?</p>
<p>(P) Today is tomorrow.  It happened.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re here.</p>
<p>(R) I&#8217;m here.  [I recall that at this point they kiss passionately]</p>
<p><strong>Why weren&#8217;t you like this last night?</p>
<p>You just fell sleep.</strong></p>
<p>[P} It was the end of a very long day.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, someone could argue she means he fell asleep right <i>after</i> sex (although that would be stretching it ridiculously, because she says he <i>just</i>&#8212;as in, &#8220;only&#8221;&#8212;fell asleep), but that person would be tone deaf to what&#8217;s going on in <i>this</i> scene <i>and</i> in the scene the night before.  The one the night before is not sexual in nature, whereas this one hints much more at sex.  You get the idea that <i>now</i> finally, the relationship will definitely be consummated.  </p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/02/another-year-another-groundhog-day/#comment-522661</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 19:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to chime in on the&quot; sleeping together on the last night&quot; theme, both Phil and Rita are shown in bed dressed as they were the night before.  I&#039;d offer that the message here is that they &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t,&lt;/i&gt; have sex, which would be in keeping with the premise of the movie.  It was done with perhaps enough subtlety so that it was lost on those who &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; they have a higher degree of critical thought and sensitivity than the average viewer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to chime in on the&#8221; sleeping together on the last night&#8221; theme, both Phil and Rita are shown in bed dressed as they were the night before.  I&#8217;d offer that the message here is that they <i>didn&#8217;t,</i> have sex, which would be in keeping with the premise of the movie.  It was done with perhaps enough subtlety so that it was lost on those who <i>think</i> they have a higher degree of critical thought and sensitivity than the average viewer.</p>
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		By: Roy Lofquist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/02/another-year-another-groundhog-day/#comment-521942</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Lofquist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 22:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have seen quite a bit of the world, parts of it not very pleasant. Now I rarely travel more than five miles from home and I see a whole new world each day - a living, changing world. Whole nother story and a fascinating one.

One thing that struck me about GHD was &quot;I&#039;ve Got You, Babe&quot; which started as an annoying &quot;hick&quot; song and became somewhat transcendent at the end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen quite a bit of the world, parts of it not very pleasant. Now I rarely travel more than five miles from home and I see a whole new world each day &#8211; a living, changing world. Whole nother story and a fascinating one.</p>
<p>One thing that struck me about GHD was &#8220;I&#8217;ve Got You, Babe&#8221; which started as an annoying &#8220;hick&#8221; song and became somewhat transcendent at the end.</p>
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		By: George Pal		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/02/another-year-another-groundhog-day/#comment-521912</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Pal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bender,

My point was not that it represented Catholic teaching but made a good parable. Clearly, Phil was not purified by his own agency but by something &#039;other&#039; that worked on him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bender,</p>
<p>My point was not that it represented Catholic teaching but made a good parable. Clearly, Phil was not purified by his own agency but by something &#8216;other&#8217; that worked on him.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/02/another-year-another-groundhog-day/#comment-521907</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain: the &quot;reviewers&quot; I&#039;m talking about are in the two linked articles about &quot;Groundhog Day&quot; and philosophy and religion.  I discuss both in the addenda to this post (and I mention both, also, in the &quot;update&quot; at the beginning of this post).  Both authors are most definitely &lt;i&gt;way&lt;/i&gt; beyond the sort of reasoning you&#039;re talking about that might be true of other reviewers.  That&#039;s what I find so very surprising; not that a casual reviewer, or ordinary movie reviewer, might make the error.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain: the &#8220;reviewers&#8221; I&#8217;m talking about are in the two linked articles about &#8220;Groundhog Day&#8221; and philosophy and religion.  I discuss both in the addenda to this post (and I mention both, also, in the &#8220;update&#8221; at the beginning of this post).  Both authors are most definitely <i>way</i> beyond the sort of reasoning you&#8217;re talking about that might be true of other reviewers.  That&#8217;s what I find so very surprising; not that a casual reviewer, or ordinary movie reviewer, might make the error.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2013/02/02/another-year-another-groundhog-day/#comment-521903</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;I am quite surprised that so many thoughtful viewers of the movie have made such an elementary error. But it seems quite common. How odd.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

I confess that I&#039;ve only seen the movie once when it first came out, I very much enjoyed it, just never got around to seeing it again.

As I recall, initially and for much of the film (?), Murray&#039;s becoming &#039;a better person&#039; is a ploy, so as to increase the odds that he&#039;ll get into Rita&#039;s pants, yes? Might the reviewers themselves have never moved beyond that motivation? If I remember correctly, it isn&#039;t until Murray has recognized and accepted his love for Rita that sex with her is no longer his primary motivation. I suspect the reviewers who assume that they finally had sex view that as a necessary payoff for all his efforts. Thus missing the point of the movie entirely. 

Metaphors like parables and even Hollywood movies can often be appreciated at different levels of insight. &quot;let each understand as they are able&quot; applies to more than just Jesus&#039; parables.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I am quite surprised that so many thoughtful viewers of the movie have made such an elementary error. But it seems quite common. How odd.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>I confess that I&#8217;ve only seen the movie once when it first came out, I very much enjoyed it, just never got around to seeing it again.</p>
<p>As I recall, initially and for much of the film (?), Murray&#8217;s becoming &#8216;a better person&#8217; is a ploy, so as to increase the odds that he&#8217;ll get into Rita&#8217;s pants, yes? Might the reviewers themselves have never moved beyond that motivation? If I remember correctly, it isn&#8217;t until Murray has recognized and accepted his love for Rita that sex with her is no longer his primary motivation. I suspect the reviewers who assume that they finally had sex view that as a necessary payoff for all his efforts. Thus missing the point of the movie entirely. </p>
<p>Metaphors like parables and even Hollywood movies can often be appreciated at different levels of insight. &#8220;let each understand as they are able&#8221; applies to more than just Jesus&#8217; parables.</p>
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		By: Bender		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just to be clear here, while what George Pal says is interesting, it does NOT describe Purgatory, as understood in Catholic teaching.

Rather, Purgatory is a purging (hence the name) of all the various imperfections in a person which is necessary in order to enter into a place of perfection (Heaven).  It is purification.  And although Phil did go through a process of purification, the purification in Purgatory is the purifying &quot;fire&quot; of God, if we wish to use the analogy of the purification of gold is through fire.  In Purgatory, God is the purifying agent, not the person himself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear here, while what George Pal says is interesting, it does NOT describe Purgatory, as understood in Catholic teaching.</p>
<p>Rather, Purgatory is a purging (hence the name) of all the various imperfections in a person which is necessary in order to enter into a place of perfection (Heaven).  It is purification.  And although Phil did go through a process of purification, the purification in Purgatory is the purifying &#8220;fire&#8221; of God, if we wish to use the analogy of the purification of gold is through fire.  In Purgatory, God is the purifying agent, not the person himself.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 21:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ed Bonderenka, Wry Mouth: I also just noticed that, surprisingly enough, the other essayist, Michael P. Foley, makes the same error as the &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=17-03-012-v&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He writes&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I should add, though, that the movie is not perfect. Rita’s final “redemption” of Phil, for instance, results in their sleeping together the next morning. (Call it the incense that had to be thrown on the Hollywood fire.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am quite surprised that so many thoughtful viewers of the movie have made such an elementary error.  But it seems quite common.  How odd.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Bonderenka, Wry Mouth: I also just noticed that, surprisingly enough, the other essayist, Michael P. Foley, makes the same error as the <i>Times</i>.  <a href="http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=17-03-012-v" rel="nofollow">He writes</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I should add, though, that the movie is not perfect. Rita’s final “redemption” of Phil, for instance, results in their sleeping together the next morning. (Call it the incense that had to be thrown on the Hollywood fire.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I am quite surprised that so many thoughtful viewers of the movie have made such an elementary error.  But it seems quite common.  How odd.</p>
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