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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/26/what-about-this-mass-murderer/#comment-488927</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[They exploit real and manufactured differentials and gradients in order to advance their political, economic, and social standing.  To this end, their concern for life, liberty, and happiness is selective.  This is why elective abortion is considered a normal part of planned parenthood; why institutional discrimination that denigrates individual dignity is considered just; and why immigration exerts the rate of assimilation.  This is why they are capable of arming terrorists and cartels while demonstrating little to no empathy for its human consequences.  This is why they are capable of calling a technology &quot;green&quot; while shifting environmental and human disruption to a geographically isolated area.  This is why they are conducting regime change on a multinational scale while previously condemning it.  This is why they criticize physically harmless torture of a few terrorists while delegating murder, rape, and enslavement of non-combatants to surrogate interests.  This is progressive corruption realized to become conclusive corruption.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They exploit real and manufactured differentials and gradients in order to advance their political, economic, and social standing.  To this end, their concern for life, liberty, and happiness is selective.  This is why elective abortion is considered a normal part of planned parenthood; why institutional discrimination that denigrates individual dignity is considered just; and why immigration exerts the rate of assimilation.  This is why they are capable of arming terrorists and cartels while demonstrating little to no empathy for its human consequences.  This is why they are capable of calling a technology &#8220;green&#8221; while shifting environmental and human disruption to a geographically isolated area.  This is why they are conducting regime change on a multinational scale while previously condemning it.  This is why they criticize physically harmless torture of a few terrorists while delegating murder, rape, and enslavement of non-combatants to surrogate interests.  This is progressive corruption realized to become conclusive corruption.</p>
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		By: Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/26/what-about-this-mass-murderer/#comment-488353</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 04:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is only one deterrent to homicidal maniacs; allow all who wish to be armed to be armed and to proclaim there are no gun free zones. It is that simple.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one deterrent to homicidal maniacs; allow all who wish to be armed to be armed and to proclaim there are no gun free zones. It is that simple.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/26/what-about-this-mass-murderer/#comment-488221</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 00:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For an alternative to what spengler did, look up the abortion bombing with a double tap. that is, the bomb went off in the center, and in the parking lot, a short while later, where people were standing as a crowd, a second bomb went off knowing that they would gather there as they usually do in all kinds of events. 

its quite easy to create events, such as the fire, to exploit the common default behavior in such things. 

ergo my pointing out what happens when you reverse the exit and entrance signs in a building and yell fire... they go into the fire.. 

same as with ideology... they reverse the signs so that they fight for freedom (slavery) and for peace (war) and so on..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an alternative to what spengler did, look up the abortion bombing with a double tap. that is, the bomb went off in the center, and in the parking lot, a short while later, where people were standing as a crowd, a second bomb went off knowing that they would gather there as they usually do in all kinds of events. </p>
<p>its quite easy to create events, such as the fire, to exploit the common default behavior in such things. </p>
<p>ergo my pointing out what happens when you reverse the exit and entrance signs in a building and yell fire&#8230; they go into the fire.. </p>
<p>same as with ideology&#8230; they reverse the signs so that they fight for freedom (slavery) and for peace (war) and so on..</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/26/what-about-this-mass-murderer/#comment-488178</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 23:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The deservedly eminent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336429/christmas-tree-totalitarians-thomas-sowell&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thomas Sowell&lt;/a&gt; (1/25/2012):
&lt;blockquote&gt;If I were rich, I would have a plaque made up, and sent to every judge in America, bearing a statement made by Adam Smith more than two-and-a-half centuries ago: “Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The deservedly eminent <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336429/christmas-tree-totalitarians-thomas-sowell" rel="nofollow">Thomas Sowell</a> (1/25/2012):</p>
<blockquote><p>If I were rich, I would have a plaque made up, and sent to every judge in America, bearing a statement made by Adam Smith more than two-and-a-half centuries ago: “Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.”</p></blockquote>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/26/what-about-this-mass-murderer/#comment-487811</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Simon:
&lt;b&gt;“I just think if they don’t have easy access to guns they will kill fewer people.”&lt;/b&gt;
Not that simple. &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade later, handgun crime had doubled.&lt;/a&gt;    
   &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;In 1987, Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree in his small town of Hungerford, England, killing 16 people (including his mother) and wounding another 14 before shooting himself. &lt;b&gt;Since the public was unarmed–as were the police–Ryan wandered the streets for eight hours with two semiautomatic rifles and a handgun before anyone with a firearm was able to come to the rescue. &lt;/b&gt;
Nine years later, in March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a man known to be mentally unstable, walked into a primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shot 16 young children and their teacher. He wounded 10 other children and three other teachers before taking his own life. 
Since 1920, anyone in Britain wanting a handgun had to obtain a certificate from his local police stating he was fit to own a weapon and had good reason to have one. Over the years, the definition of &quot;good reason&quot; gradually narrowed. By 1969, self-defense was never a good reason for a permit.
After Hungerford, the British government banned semiautomatic rifles and brought shotguns–the last type of firearm that could be purchased with a simple show of fitness–under controls similar to those in place for pistols and rifles. Magazines were limited to two shells with a third in the chamber.
Dunblane had a more dramatic impact. Hamilton had a firearm certificate, although according to the rules he should not have been granted one. A media frenzy coupled with an emotional campaign by parents of Dunblane resulted in the Firearms Act of 1998, which instituted a nearly complete ban on handguns. Owners of pistols were required to turn them in. The penalty for illegal possession of a pistol is up to 10 years in prison.
The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted.&lt;b&gt; Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. &lt;/b&gt;Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.
Meanwhile, law-abiding citizens who have come into the possession of a firearm, even accidentally, have been harshly treated. In 2009 a former soldier, Paul Clarke, found a bag in his garden containing a shotgun. He brought it to the police station and was immediately handcuffed and charged with possession of the gun. At his trial the judge noted: &quot;In law there is no dispute that Mr. Clarke has no defence to this charge. The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant.&quot; Mr. Clarke was sentenced to five years in prison. A public outcry eventually won his release.
In November of this year, Danny Nightingale, member of a British special forces unit in Iraq and Afghanistan, was sentenced to 18 months in military prison for possession of a pistol and ammunition. Sgt. Nightingale was given the Glock pistol as a gift by Iraqi forces he had been training. It was packed up with his possessions and returned to him by colleagues in Iraq after he left the country to organize a funeral for two close friends killed in action. Mr. Nightingale pleaded guilty to avoid a five-year sentence and was in prison until an appeal and public outcry freed him on Nov. 29.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; The article has a similar history for Australia. One result of the handgun ban in the UK is that burglars have much less to fear from housebreaking than they do in the US. Moreover, homeowners who retaliate against housebreakers may be prosecuted. Sorry, I prefer the US.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon:<br />
<b>“I just think if they don’t have easy access to guns they will kill fewer people.”</b><br />
Not that simple. <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop" rel="nofollow">After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade later, handgun crime had doubled.</a>    </p>
<blockquote><p><i>In 1987, Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree in his small town of Hungerford, England, killing 16 people (including his mother) and wounding another 14 before shooting himself. <b>Since the public was unarmed–as were the police–Ryan wandered the streets for eight hours with two semiautomatic rifles and a handgun before anyone with a firearm was able to come to the rescue. </b><br />
Nine years later, in March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a man known to be mentally unstable, walked into a primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shot 16 young children and their teacher. He wounded 10 other children and three other teachers before taking his own life.<br />
Since 1920, anyone in Britain wanting a handgun had to obtain a certificate from his local police stating he was fit to own a weapon and had good reason to have one. Over the years, the definition of &#8220;good reason&#8221; gradually narrowed. By 1969, self-defense was never a good reason for a permit.<br />
After Hungerford, the British government banned semiautomatic rifles and brought shotguns–the last type of firearm that could be purchased with a simple show of fitness–under controls similar to those in place for pistols and rifles. Magazines were limited to two shells with a third in the chamber.<br />
Dunblane had a more dramatic impact. Hamilton had a firearm certificate, although according to the rules he should not have been granted one. A media frenzy coupled with an emotional campaign by parents of Dunblane resulted in the Firearms Act of 1998, which instituted a nearly complete ban on handguns. Owners of pistols were required to turn them in. The penalty for illegal possession of a pistol is up to 10 years in prison.<br />
The results have not been what proponents of the act wanted.<b> Within a decade of the handgun ban and the confiscation of handguns from registered owners, crime with handguns had doubled according to British government crime reports. </b>Gun crime, not a serious problem in the past, now is. Armed street gangs have some British police carrying guns for the first time. Moreover, another massacre occurred in June 2010. Derrick Bird, a taxi driver in Cumbria, shot his brother and a colleague then drove off through rural villages killing 12 people and injuring 11 more before killing himself.<br />
Meanwhile, law-abiding citizens who have come into the possession of a firearm, even accidentally, have been harshly treated. In 2009 a former soldier, Paul Clarke, found a bag in his garden containing a shotgun. He brought it to the police station and was immediately handcuffed and charged with possession of the gun. At his trial the judge noted: &#8220;In law there is no dispute that Mr. Clarke has no defence to this charge. The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant.&#8221; Mr. Clarke was sentenced to five years in prison. A public outcry eventually won his release.<br />
In November of this year, Danny Nightingale, member of a British special forces unit in Iraq and Afghanistan, was sentenced to 18 months in military prison for possession of a pistol and ammunition. Sgt. Nightingale was given the Glock pistol as a gift by Iraqi forces he had been training. It was packed up with his possessions and returned to him by colleagues in Iraq after he left the country to organize a funeral for two close friends killed in action. Mr. Nightingale pleaded guilty to avoid a five-year sentence and was in prison until an appeal and public outcry freed him on Nov. 29.</i></p></blockquote>
<p> The article has a similar history for Australia. One result of the handgun ban in the UK is that burglars have much less to fear from housebreaking than they do in the US. Moreover, homeowners who retaliate against housebreakers may be prosecuted. Sorry, I prefer the US.</p>
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		By: Capn Rusty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve: Generally speaking, the difference is intent. Killing without the intent to do so is manslaughter. It is difficult to understand how the prosecutor could maintain that Spengler did not intend to kill his grandmother when the weapon he used was a hammer. The lesser charge would have been more plausible if the weapon had been a gun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: Generally speaking, the difference is intent. Killing without the intent to do so is manslaughter. It is difficult to understand how the prosecutor could maintain that Spengler did not intend to kill his grandmother when the weapon he used was a hammer. The lesser charge would have been more plausible if the weapon had been a gun.</p>
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		By: waltj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Firearms have been around for 800 years or so, and have been common for about 400.  But people have been murdered for the length of recorded history, and before.  I seem to recall that the freeze-dried, 7,000-year-old corpse found in the Alps a few years back had been murdered.  Guns do make mass murder easier.  No doubt about that.  But they also make defense easier.  There&#039;s much truth to the old saying that &quot;God didn&#039;t make men equal, Col. Colt did&quot;.  Without a legal recourse to firearms, potential victims will a) be outgunned by criminals who have no intention of being disarmed, or b) become the prey of criminals who are larger, stronger, and more aggressive than they are.  Say what you will about pepper spray, martial arts classes, dogs, and loud whistles.  The most effective way to stop an assailant is a 230-grain double-tap between the headlights, and the training to do it reflexively.  

Our penal system needs work, to say the least.  But I&#039;m not sure we&#039;ve ever gotten this one right.  We&#039;ve gone from punishment to reform to warehousing, and recidivism has stubbornly stayed high, possibly about the same.  Add this to plea bargains a la Spengler, violations committed while on parole/probation, and judges who never met a criminal they didn&#039;t like, and it amazes me that we don&#039;t have more violent crime, to include mass murder.  And if I knew how to fix (as in repair) the system, I&#039;d be selling it big-time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firearms have been around for 800 years or so, and have been common for about 400.  But people have been murdered for the length of recorded history, and before.  I seem to recall that the freeze-dried, 7,000-year-old corpse found in the Alps a few years back had been murdered.  Guns do make mass murder easier.  No doubt about that.  But they also make defense easier.  There&#8217;s much truth to the old saying that &#8220;God didn&#8217;t make men equal, Col. Colt did&#8221;.  Without a legal recourse to firearms, potential victims will a) be outgunned by criminals who have no intention of being disarmed, or b) become the prey of criminals who are larger, stronger, and more aggressive than they are.  Say what you will about pepper spray, martial arts classes, dogs, and loud whistles.  The most effective way to stop an assailant is a 230-grain double-tap between the headlights, and the training to do it reflexively.  </p>
<p>Our penal system needs work, to say the least.  But I&#8217;m not sure we&#8217;ve ever gotten this one right.  We&#8217;ve gone from punishment to reform to warehousing, and recidivism has stubbornly stayed high, possibly about the same.  Add this to plea bargains a la Spengler, violations committed while on parole/probation, and judges who never met a criminal they didn&#8217;t like, and it amazes me that we don&#8217;t have more violent crime, to include mass murder.  And if I knew how to fix (as in repair) the system, I&#8217;d be selling it big-time.</p>
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		By: Steve D		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How does one commit manslaughter (and not murder) with a hammer?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one commit manslaughter (and not murder) with a hammer?</p>
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		By: sergey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Was it ever possible to rehabilitate a sociopath? It seems the only answer is &quot;never&quot;. So why such persons are allowed to get free? They are inherently dangerous, and after murdering somebody loosing their right to life too. In better world the only moral decision would be apply death penalty to all sociopaths]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it ever possible to rehabilitate a sociopath? It seems the only answer is &#8220;never&#8221;. So why such persons are allowed to get free? They are inherently dangerous, and after murdering somebody loosing their right to life too. In better world the only moral decision would be apply death penalty to all sociopaths</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 14:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Simon,

Liability insurance does not seem like a great idea. Criminals steal guns or buy them illegally. If someone steals your gun would your liability insurance go with the gun? That would increase the incentive to steal guns or buy them illegally. Have you been following the argument here that keeping violent criminals in prison is part of the solution? Or that would be murderers look for soft targets and making yourself one does not make you safe? Politicians want armed security for themselves right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>Liability insurance does not seem like a great idea. Criminals steal guns or buy them illegally. If someone steals your gun would your liability insurance go with the gun? That would increase the incentive to steal guns or buy them illegally. Have you been following the argument here that keeping violent criminals in prison is part of the solution? Or that would be murderers look for soft targets and making yourself one does not make you safe? Politicians want armed security for themselves right?</p>
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