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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/16/a-few-more-thoughts-on-newtown-and-the-pied-piper-impulse/#comment-485228</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[As for the teacher&#039;s actions in question, that was true valor in the face of death. Such steel is to be admired and respected. It is perhaps to be expected that it is paid with in death in such a country however.

I&#039;m more than 50% confident that if the shooter has to come around a class room door corner like that, I can terminate him in a few seconds with just bare hand methods alone. No brain, no gun that goes around killing people.

Unfortunately, this country is full of people who keep voting in the option &quot;I want to be a Leftist slave&quot; so they neither arm themselves nor do anything else to destroy the wolves. And the wolves, not being entirely stupid and suicidal all that often, comprehend this and go after the defenseless, rather than those of us that could terminate them, whether they have guns or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the teacher&#8217;s actions in question, that was true valor in the face of death. Such steel is to be admired and respected. It is perhaps to be expected that it is paid with in death in such a country however.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more than 50% confident that if the shooter has to come around a class room door corner like that, I can terminate him in a few seconds with just bare hand methods alone. No brain, no gun that goes around killing people.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this country is full of people who keep voting in the option &#8220;I want to be a Leftist slave&#8221; so they neither arm themselves nor do anything else to destroy the wolves. And the wolves, not being entirely stupid and suicidal all that often, comprehend this and go after the defenseless, rather than those of us that could terminate them, whether they have guns or not.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/16/a-few-more-thoughts-on-newtown-and-the-pied-piper-impulse/#comment-485226</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 20:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In order to accomplish a life and death mission, one must value one&#039;s own life. The person who keen on dying at the end of the mission, will usually not have the correct judgment to choose when the best time is to use up his life for the cause.

In this sense, those keen on vengeance or evil, eventually burn themselves out, simply because life is an energy source and those too keen on being masters of evil and carnage, eventually run out of steam. Even if they are young and full of hormones. The energy it takes to prosecute, plan, and achieve a fatal mission to the very ends, takes a certain amount of mental fortitude, discipline, and love of life. Hate burns brighter than love, but while love is self replenishing, hate is self destructive the hotter it goes. Similar to how geniuses burn themselves out faster than dumber people.

After a certain point of combat stress, people use up their energies and often have to find a motivation to continue on. IN war and battles, this is often the cause, the mission, or just to keep on fighting to keep their comrades in arms from dying a needless death. Otherwise without a sufficient motivation many people would just surrender, or even lay down and die, in war.

As the consequences of mass murder encroach closer and closer, the sheer meaningless of their own life is exposed. For if it is all too easy to shoot all these people, it will be even easier for a hundred armed men to render him non existent. He gains power in extinguishing others, yet fears the fact that others will have the very same power over him.

That fear, combat stress, worry, and need to plan and achieve survival, eventually reaches a critical mass where it consumes the person&#039;s motivations. And he has to find new or stronger ones. Idealistic, far reaching goals like &quot;i&#039;ll em and become famous after I&#039;m dead&quot; is worthless. Unless you have a personal, short term, goal to keep on killing/living in battle, you won&#039;t be living for long.

Even revolutionaries fed on a diet of idealistic zeal and religious fervor, burn out once they realize the cause they were really fighting for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to accomplish a life and death mission, one must value one&#8217;s own life. The person who keen on dying at the end of the mission, will usually not have the correct judgment to choose when the best time is to use up his life for the cause.</p>
<p>In this sense, those keen on vengeance or evil, eventually burn themselves out, simply because life is an energy source and those too keen on being masters of evil and carnage, eventually run out of steam. Even if they are young and full of hormones. The energy it takes to prosecute, plan, and achieve a fatal mission to the very ends, takes a certain amount of mental fortitude, discipline, and love of life. Hate burns brighter than love, but while love is self replenishing, hate is self destructive the hotter it goes. Similar to how geniuses burn themselves out faster than dumber people.</p>
<p>After a certain point of combat stress, people use up their energies and often have to find a motivation to continue on. IN war and battles, this is often the cause, the mission, or just to keep on fighting to keep their comrades in arms from dying a needless death. Otherwise without a sufficient motivation many people would just surrender, or even lay down and die, in war.</p>
<p>As the consequences of mass murder encroach closer and closer, the sheer meaningless of their own life is exposed. For if it is all too easy to shoot all these people, it will be even easier for a hundred armed men to render him non existent. He gains power in extinguishing others, yet fears the fact that others will have the very same power over him.</p>
<p>That fear, combat stress, worry, and need to plan and achieve survival, eventually reaches a critical mass where it consumes the person&#8217;s motivations. And he has to find new or stronger ones. Idealistic, far reaching goals like &#8220;i&#8217;ll em and become famous after I&#8217;m dead&#8221; is worthless. Unless you have a personal, short term, goal to keep on killing/living in battle, you won&#8217;t be living for long.</p>
<p>Even revolutionaries fed on a diet of idealistic zeal and religious fervor, burn out once they realize the cause they were really fighting for.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[T:  it certainly does seem that signs stating, &quot;This school is patrolled by armed guards&quot; would be more to the point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T:  it certainly does seem that signs stating, &#8220;This school is patrolled by armed guards&#8221; would be more to the point.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I agree, but I think that&#039;s assuming a level of logic that we do not know is present in the mind of an Adam Lanza.  As I noted above, I&#039;m afraid the signs may be even worse than that and go beyond advertising the presence of targets to a rational thinker.  It seems possible to me that when read by somebody with an irrational mass-killer&#039;s mind, the signs may actually generate an association between guns and schools that was not there before and give birth to the idea of carrying out a mass killing.  I&#039;m not positing anything so rational as thoughts like &quot;will I get caught? will somebody shoot back at me?&quot;  but  instead something more jumbled and chaotic that simply places guns and schools together in a deranged and violent mind, when they were not so joined before.  I see we are both thinking along the same lines in any case and may move my comment above to that thread.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I agree, but I think that&#8217;s assuming a level of logic that we do not know is present in the mind of an Adam Lanza.  As I noted above, I&#8217;m afraid the signs may be even worse than that and go beyond advertising the presence of targets to a rational thinker.  It seems possible to me that when read by somebody with an irrational mass-killer&#8217;s mind, the signs may actually generate an association between guns and schools that was not there before and give birth to the idea of carrying out a mass killing.  I&#8217;m not positing anything so rational as thoughts like &#8220;will I get caught? will somebody shoot back at me?&#8221;  but  instead something more jumbled and chaotic that simply places guns and schools together in a deranged and violent mind, when they were not so joined before.  I see we are both thinking along the same lines in any case and may move my comment above to that thread.</p>
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		By: Molly NH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Molly NH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 19:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone asked about pepper spray.  I have a metal pepper spray &quot;gun&quot; that I bought from amazon (neos portal here).  It shoots a strong spray ( like a water pistol) that has enuf velocity
so that it dosen t get distrubed by wind, it shoots about 15 feet. The pepper spray is a cartridge &#038; they give you a water filled one to practice with.
It has an LED light that shines where you are aiming it, if you need to use it in the dark.
You can see lots of effects of pepper spray on YouTube, on animals, on volunteers.  One guy who took a face pepper spray managed to get out a few words  that &quot; it wasn t having any effect &quot; then he went bananas screaming about his eyes.
He said he was still un comfortable an hour later.
There is a high velocity pepper spray that is used as bear repellant &#038; its effective.  There is youtube video that actually shows the pepper spray gun that I bought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone asked about pepper spray.  I have a metal pepper spray &#8220;gun&#8221; that I bought from amazon (neos portal here).  It shoots a strong spray ( like a water pistol) that has enuf velocity<br />
so that it dosen t get distrubed by wind, it shoots about 15 feet. The pepper spray is a cartridge &amp; they give you a water filled one to practice with.<br />
It has an LED light that shines where you are aiming it, if you need to use it in the dark.<br />
You can see lots of effects of pepper spray on YouTube, on animals, on volunteers.  One guy who took a face pepper spray managed to get out a few words  that &#8221; it wasn t having any effect &#8221; then he went bananas screaming about his eyes.<br />
He said he was still un comfortable an hour later.<br />
There is a high velocity pepper spray that is used as bear repellant &amp; its effective.  There is youtube video that actually shows the pepper spray gun that I bought.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mrs. Whatsit (@1:27),

&quot;the signs may serve, on an illogical gut level, simply to ASSOCIATE the concepts of guns and schools and thus give birth to the idea of using a school as the scene of a mass killing in the first place.&quot;

That&#039;s an interesting and profound observation.  I&#039;d bet no one hanging such signs ever ever thought of them as advertising that their population was defenseless.  Let&#039;s carry that idea one step further; if you want to discourage someone from your property you might advertise &quot;Beware of Dog&quot; (i.e., a mean dog which bites lives here). 
What, exactly, is one advertising with a sign announcing you&#039;ll find &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; guns &lt;i&gt;here&lt;/i&gt;?  It&#039;s like walking down a dark alley in a dangerous part of town with $100 bills hanging out of your pocket and then being shocked that you get mugged.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Whatsit (@1:27),</p>
<p>&#8220;the signs may serve, on an illogical gut level, simply to ASSOCIATE the concepts of guns and schools and thus give birth to the idea of using a school as the scene of a mass killing in the first place.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting and profound observation.  I&#8217;d bet no one hanging such signs ever ever thought of them as advertising that their population was defenseless.  Let&#8217;s carry that idea one step further; if you want to discourage someone from your property you might advertise &#8220;Beware of Dog&#8221; (i.e., a mean dog which bites lives here).<br />
What, exactly, is one advertising with a sign announcing you&#8217;ll find <i>no</i> guns <i>here</i>?  It&#8217;s like walking down a dark alley in a dangerous part of town with $100 bills hanging out of your pocket and then being shocked that you get mugged.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit: gun-free zones are like target signs, if someone is determined to kill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs Whatsit: gun-free zones are like target signs, if someone is determined to kill.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/16/a-few-more-thoughts-on-newtown-and-the-pied-piper-impulse/#comment-479825</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Expat,

Your incident with the thief speaks to the basis of all of this.  To Hell with analyzing the &quot;root causes&quot; that causes one to be a thief.  The fact of the matter is that thieves and gunmen look to prey on those who are incapable of defending themselves (that&#039;s why such mass shootings often take place at schools---no guns for defense).

In a snarky Tweet I read today, some liberal-type asked why doesn&#039;t someone shoot up NRA headquarters (instead of a school)?  While the Tweeter&#039;s intention was to wish pain and destruction on the NRA, the response is quite simple, obvious and totally unfathomed by the Tweeter.  People don&#039;t shoot up NRA headquarters because NRA types carry guns and they-will-shoot-back.  The illogic of his/her own anti-gun position is contained in his/her very own Tweet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expat,</p>
<p>Your incident with the thief speaks to the basis of all of this.  To Hell with analyzing the &#8220;root causes&#8221; that causes one to be a thief.  The fact of the matter is that thieves and gunmen look to prey on those who are incapable of defending themselves (that&#8217;s why such mass shootings often take place at schools&#8212;no guns for defense).</p>
<p>In a snarky Tweet I read today, some liberal-type asked why doesn&#8217;t someone shoot up NRA headquarters (instead of a school)?  While the Tweeter&#8217;s intention was to wish pain and destruction on the NRA, the response is quite simple, obvious and totally unfathomed by the Tweeter.  People don&#8217;t shoot up NRA headquarters because NRA types carry guns and they-will-shoot-back.  The illogic of his/her own anti-gun position is contained in his/her very own Tweet.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s time to take down those &quot;gun-free zone&quot; signs around schools.  To those who believe such signs are appropriate, I guess they represent some sort of wishful thinking about schools as safe places that -- by now -- everyone ought surely to recognize is futile and false.  To a logical, not-insane assailant, such signs advertise that the school is full of defenseless targets.  But worse, it seems possible to me that -- in the angry, disturbed and chaotic mind of a person capable of an act like last week&#039;s  -- the signs may serve, on an illogical gut level, simply to ASSOCIATE the concepts of guns and schools and thus give birth to the idea of using a school as the scene of a mass killing in the first place.  

Although we know little about how such people think, I imagine we can agree that they don&#039;t think like the rest of us.  We should stop assuming that those signs work as the dreaming do-gooders who hung them intended, and instead consider the possibility that they may trigger a person like Adam Lanza to think, &quot;Oh yeah? I&#039;ll show YOU just how gun-free that zone is.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time to take down those &#8220;gun-free zone&#8221; signs around schools.  To those who believe such signs are appropriate, I guess they represent some sort of wishful thinking about schools as safe places that &#8212; by now &#8212; everyone ought surely to recognize is futile and false.  To a logical, not-insane assailant, such signs advertise that the school is full of defenseless targets.  But worse, it seems possible to me that &#8212; in the angry, disturbed and chaotic mind of a person capable of an act like last week&#8217;s  &#8212; the signs may serve, on an illogical gut level, simply to ASSOCIATE the concepts of guns and schools and thus give birth to the idea of using a school as the scene of a mass killing in the first place.  </p>
<p>Although we know little about how such people think, I imagine we can agree that they don&#8217;t think like the rest of us.  We should stop assuming that those signs work as the dreaming do-gooders who hung them intended, and instead consider the possibility that they may trigger a person like Adam Lanza to think, &#8220;Oh yeah? I&#8217;ll show YOU just how gun-free that zone is.&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks T,

I thought I read that the principal and another staff member ran at him to try to disarm  him. I assumed that they had gotten pretty close, but I really don&#039;t know. 

Last year in Paris, someone tried to get my wallet from my pocketbook. I wacked him on the head a couple of times with the wire shopping basket I was carrying. Boy, did that ever feel good. At least I know I&#039;m not a total wimp, but that was a far cry from facing an armed maniac.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks T,</p>
<p>I thought I read that the principal and another staff member ran at him to try to disarm  him. I assumed that they had gotten pretty close, but I really don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>Last year in Paris, someone tried to get my wallet from my pocketbook. I wacked him on the head a couple of times with the wire shopping basket I was carrying. Boy, did that ever feel good. At least I know I&#8217;m not a total wimp, but that was a far cry from facing an armed maniac.</p>
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