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		By: Altemeyer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-484517</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Altemeyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holmes, I posted a link to a statistical analysis published by the American Journal of Economics and Sociology, which neoneocon ignored. Check out the paper&#039;s Study Method and Data, and find fault there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holmes, I posted a link to a statistical analysis published by the American Journal of Economics and Sociology, which neoneocon ignored. Check out the paper&#8217;s Study Method and Data, and find fault there.</p>
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		By: holmes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-483512</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[holmes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Altemeyer, yes, shove it straight up your ass.  If we ended the drug war, 50% of the violence is eliminated, but we&#039;re not that enlightened yet.  

You&#039;ve ignored all of the subsequent articles and data Neo has posted showing no connection between gun ownership levels and violence or even gun-related violence.  Multivariate that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Altemeyer, yes, shove it straight up your ass.  If we ended the drug war, 50% of the violence is eliminated, but we&#8217;re not that enlightened yet.  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve ignored all of the subsequent articles and data Neo has posted showing no connection between gun ownership levels and violence or even gun-related violence.  Multivariate that.</p>
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		By: Six		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-482369</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Six]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a way to add reliable and very cost effective armed guards at schools. It would be a program run through and by the local law enforcement entity. Rather than a long comment here I&#039;ll point you to a post IO wrote about such a concept and proposal. I hope you&#039;ll forgive me for the link but it&#039;s way too long to put here.

http://thewarriorclass.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-concept-and-proposal.html

I am free to discuss it anytime with anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a way to add reliable and very cost effective armed guards at schools. It would be a program run through and by the local law enforcement entity. Rather than a long comment here I&#8217;ll point you to a post IO wrote about such a concept and proposal. I hope you&#8217;ll forgive me for the link but it&#8217;s way too long to put here.</p>
<p><a href="http://thewarriorclass.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-concept-and-proposal.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://thewarriorclass.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-concept-and-proposal.html</a></p>
<p>I am free to discuss it anytime with anyone.</p>
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		By: Altemeyer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-479762</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Altemeyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 16:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo-neocon, harm reduction policies like a guard in every school would lower the body count, as gun control legislation has &lt;em&gt;been demonstrated to do:&lt;/em&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kean.edu/~jkeil/Welcome_files/Gun%20Control.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Effectiveness of Gun Control Laws: Multivariate Statistical Analysis&lt;/a&gt;.

But that&#039;s harm reduction. What the world is witnessing is a failed social experiment, a cultural blunder playing out across centuries. Gun control in the USA needed to start &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lab6gyWsMXo&quot; title=&quot;Youtube video&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a long time ago&lt;/a&gt;. Contemporary efforts are valiant and pitiable. Crazy Americans shooting one another up on the TV news is the new global reality.

There&#039;s a lot to admire in American culture, 300M guns isn&#039;t one of those things.  See http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/the-freedom-of-an-armed-society/

rickl, thanks for the link to the sociopath outing herself in point (6).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-neocon, harm reduction policies like a guard in every school would lower the body count, as gun control legislation has <em>been demonstrated to do:</em> <a href="http://www.kean.edu/~jkeil/Welcome_files/Gun%20Control.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Effectiveness of Gun Control Laws: Multivariate Statistical Analysis</a>.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s harm reduction. What the world is witnessing is a failed social experiment, a cultural blunder playing out across centuries. Gun control in the USA needed to start <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lab6gyWsMXo" title="Youtube video" rel="nofollow">a long time ago</a>. Contemporary efforts are valiant and pitiable. Crazy Americans shooting one another up on the TV news is the new global reality.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot to admire in American culture, 300M guns isn&#8217;t one of those things.  See <a href="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/the-freedom-of-an-armed-society/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/the-freedom-of-an-armed-society/</a></p>
<p>rickl, thanks for the link to the sociopath outing herself in point (6).</p>
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		By: R Daneel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-479728</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R Daneel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe the code did not work - go here and read:

http://www.peekinthewell.net/blog/the-sandy-hook-shooting/

&quot;But it is that last part of the story excerpted above, that really makes me shake my head and go “what the?” The death toll is high. That must mean the magazine capacity was also high. Because everybody knows, in the history of shooting sprees, they’re all over when the shooter exhausts his first magazine.

Eh, no, ‘fraid not nanny-staters. High magazine capacity is not what makes a shooting spree go on and on and on like that. It’s that old nobody-shooting-back thing.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the code did not work &#8211; go here and read:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.peekinthewell.net/blog/the-sandy-hook-shooting/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.peekinthewell.net/blog/the-sandy-hook-shooting/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;But it is that last part of the story excerpted above, that really makes me shake my head and go “what the?” The death toll is high. That must mean the magazine capacity was also high. Because everybody knows, in the history of shooting sprees, they’re all over when the shooter exhausts his first magazine.</p>
<p>Eh, no, ‘fraid not nanny-staters. High magazine capacity is not what makes a shooting spree go on and on and on like that. It’s that old nobody-shooting-back thing.&#8221;</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-479478</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Altemeyer Says: 
December 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;It’s not the price of freedom, it’s the price of an anachronistic principle defended by paranoid romantics over a very long time. It’s the bed your culture has made. There’s nothing to be done in a country of 350M with 300M guns, short of letting the state produce and dole out the bullets while dropping smart bombs on Mexican bullet factories.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

God, I wish Rachel Lucas was here.  She would &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rachellucas.com/2012/12/here-we-go-again/#comment-90413&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shove that idiotic comment up your ass sideways.&lt;/a&gt;

Me, I&#039;m not nearly so good with words.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Altemeyer Says:<br />
December 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>It’s not the price of freedom, it’s the price of an anachronistic principle defended by paranoid romantics over a very long time. It’s the bed your culture has made. There’s nothing to be done in a country of 350M with 300M guns, short of letting the state produce and dole out the bullets while dropping smart bombs on Mexican bullet factories.</p></blockquote>
<p>God, I wish Rachel Lucas was here.  She would <a href="http://www.rachellucas.com/2012/12/here-we-go-again/#comment-90413" rel="nofollow">shove that idiotic comment up your ass sideways.</a></p>
<p>Me, I&#8217;m not nearly so good with words.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-479472</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 03:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and Altemeyer---&lt;a href=&quot;http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the results of gun control&lt;/a&gt; in the UK.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Altemeyer&#8212;<a href="http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome" rel="nofollow">the results of gun control</a> in the UK.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-479470</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 02:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Altemeyer et.al.: as I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, about armed teachers:

&lt;blockquote&gt; This has its own difficulties, too; for example, if an armed teacher is surprised and shot by an intruder with a gun, the perpetrator will steal the weapon and be even better-armed. And that’s only one of many bad possibilities; it’s not clear whether the net result of arming teachers would be good or not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The same, of course, is also true of a guard, particularly if the guard has a uniform and obviously has a weapon, and there is only one of them.  It is not at all uncommon in terrorist attacks, for example, for a guard to be shot at the outset.  But compared to an armed teacher, the guard at least has the advantage of not being distracted by another task, and of also having the gun at the ready so that it can be used quickly.  Also, since a guard would be at the entrance, if the guard wounds or kills the would-be perpetrator, that would prevent violence at the entry point rather than later on.  

But either armed guards or armed teachers seem to be the only possible security that would overcome the advantage an armed perp has in an otherwise  gun-free zone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Altemeyer et.al.: as I wrote <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, about armed teachers:</p>
<blockquote><p> This has its own difficulties, too; for example, if an armed teacher is surprised and shot by an intruder with a gun, the perpetrator will steal the weapon and be even better-armed. And that’s only one of many bad possibilities; it’s not clear whether the net result of arming teachers would be good or not.</p></blockquote>
<p>The same, of course, is also true of a guard, particularly if the guard has a uniform and obviously has a weapon, and there is only one of them.  It is not at all uncommon in terrorist attacks, for example, for a guard to be shot at the outset.  But compared to an armed teacher, the guard at least has the advantage of not being distracted by another task, and of also having the gun at the ready so that it can be used quickly.  Also, since a guard would be at the entrance, if the guard wounds or kills the would-be perpetrator, that would prevent violence at the entry point rather than later on.  </p>
<p>But either armed guards or armed teachers seem to be the only possible security that would overcome the advantage an armed perp has in an otherwise  gun-free zone.</p>
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		By: Altemeyer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-479439</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Altemeyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once it&#039;s convention and each school has an armed guard, the guard&#039;s just the first target. You&#039;re setting a guy flushed with apocalyptic destiny against an ambling dude who&#039;s been picking his nose for the 532 days since he was hired. That said, it&#039;s not like schools are the only soft target.

It&#039;s not the price of freedom, it&#039;s the price of an anachronistic principle defended by paranoid romantics over a very long time. It&#039;s the bed your culture has made. There&#039;s nothing to be done in a country of 350M with 300M guns, short of letting the state produce and dole out the bullets while dropping smart bombs on Mexican bullet factories.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once it&#8217;s convention and each school has an armed guard, the guard&#8217;s just the first target. You&#8217;re setting a guy flushed with apocalyptic destiny against an ambling dude who&#8217;s been picking his nose for the 532 days since he was hired. That said, it&#8217;s not like schools are the only soft target.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the price of freedom, it&#8217;s the price of an anachronistic principle defended by paranoid romantics over a very long time. It&#8217;s the bed your culture has made. There&#8217;s nothing to be done in a country of 350M with 300M guns, short of letting the state produce and dole out the bullets while dropping smart bombs on Mexican bullet factories.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/#comment-479378</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The question remains how will schools respond. They are staffed largely by leftists so my guess is that they may be willing to have an armed guard but the teachers will resist the idea of carrying arms themselves. I guess this strategy will work to some degree, but if the teachers are being honest, they&#039;ll admit they are still relying on others to defend them and their students.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question remains how will schools respond. They are staffed largely by leftists so my guess is that they may be willing to have an armed guard but the teachers will resist the idea of carrying arms themselves. I guess this strategy will work to some degree, but if the teachers are being honest, they&#8217;ll admit they are still relying on others to defend them and their students.</p>
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