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		By: waltj		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/14/more-on-the-newtown-massacre/#comment-478968</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 03:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, the background check might be a requirement these days.  Seems you need one for just about everything else, so why not for a full-auto firearm?  And you&#039;re right, I haven&#039;t heard of any massacres at gun stores, either.  I&#039;m detecting a pattern here...  Could it be that potential mass murderers prefer to avoid attempting their despicable crimes in places where it&#039;s highly probable that there will be armed people who will shoot back?  Just a thought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the background check might be a requirement these days.  Seems you need one for just about everything else, so why not for a full-auto firearm?  And you&#8217;re right, I haven&#8217;t heard of any massacres at gun stores, either.  I&#8217;m detecting a pattern here&#8230;  Could it be that potential mass murderers prefer to avoid attempting their despicable crimes in places where it&#8217;s highly probable that there will be armed people who will shoot back?  Just a thought.</p>
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		By: goy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/14/more-on-the-newtown-massacre/#comment-478795</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For perspective... &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/XqERuF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/XqERuF&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For perspective&#8230; <a href="http://bit.ly/XqERuF" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/XqERuF</a></p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/14/more-on-the-newtown-massacre/#comment-478785</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A horrific, major slaughter, Evil killing Innocence, which was, perhaps, one of the major ideas for Lanza; to make it into the books.

Several components here. 

As I have written here before in a variety of ways, the all-spectrum Gramscian campaign of attacks against our traditional world-view, culture, morality, values, and behavior has succeeded in loosening traditional moral standards and constraints, and changed expectations,  has flooded every form of communication/entertainment/propaganda with very visceral, highly influential, violent stories, behavior, and images, and has “defined deviance down.” 

This because Gramsci et al very coldly calculated that a society in which anger, despair, violence, and chaos were more prevalent and had more scope for action, in which groups, interests, and factions were pitted against each other and family, social, civil, generational, and patriotic unity was shattered, in which evil was denied and/or went unpunished, justice very often denied, genuine peace and real satisfaction increasingly harder to find, and cynicism rampant would be much less able to resist their campaign, and much more receptive to their message that the Left had the solutions and policies to “fix” things.
These Gramscian attacks have succeeded in moving the bar, so that the old governing images and standards as to what was “thinkable” and acceptable, the social and cultural barriers that formerly existed in people’s minds with regard to behavior and violence have been “transformed,” and the quantity, content, nature, and intensity of such witnessed, read about, remembered, and, then, imagined violence-and it’s possibility-has grown and become more and more imaginable and, thus, possible; such intense violence now virtually omnipresent as compared to the “old fashioned,” “rigid,” “judgmental,” and “stuffy” times of several decades ago.  

Paralleling these developments a current “therapeutic” model of dealing with crime in which punishments have been weakened, and a concomitant rise in the Marxist, determinist idea that individuals really have no personal responsibility for their acts, but are the powerless “victims” of various impersonal historical/economic/social forces–the Gramscian attack against Education, Religion and Judeo-Christian values, morality, and behavior has played its part here.  Further compounding the problem came the “deinstitutionalization” movement, which has flooded our streets with more and more of the mentally ill, while simultaneously making the definition of who is seriously mentally ill much narrower, and commitment of those seriously mentally ill much more difficult.  

Making matters even worse has been the Left’s politically correct desensitization of us all to what in former decades (until, starting in the 1960s) would have been considered “crazy” behavior, and the mantra that we mustn’t be “judgmental” about other people, so that people who would have formerly been seen as potentially dangerous, been more carefully watched, and seen as in need of hospitalization are now more often seen as just “odd,” and as people who should not be “judged,” but should be allowed to  just “follow their own drummer,” “as long as they don’t hurt anybody.”  Of course, by the time they actually “hurt” somebody it is just too late.

I can’t guarantee it, but my guess is that in the former “bad” old decades a lot of these sociopathic, greatly “disturbed” mass murderers would have not had so much social and cultural “permission” to carry out their fantasies and impulses, would have been detected, and locked up in some mental hospital, and not been free and out on the streets, able to commit these crimes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A horrific, major slaughter, Evil killing Innocence, which was, perhaps, one of the major ideas for Lanza; to make it into the books.</p>
<p>Several components here. </p>
<p>As I have written here before in a variety of ways, the all-spectrum Gramscian campaign of attacks against our traditional world-view, culture, morality, values, and behavior has succeeded in loosening traditional moral standards and constraints, and changed expectations,  has flooded every form of communication/entertainment/propaganda with very visceral, highly influential, violent stories, behavior, and images, and has “defined deviance down.” </p>
<p>This because Gramsci et al very coldly calculated that a society in which anger, despair, violence, and chaos were more prevalent and had more scope for action, in which groups, interests, and factions were pitted against each other and family, social, civil, generational, and patriotic unity was shattered, in which evil was denied and/or went unpunished, justice very often denied, genuine peace and real satisfaction increasingly harder to find, and cynicism rampant would be much less able to resist their campaign, and much more receptive to their message that the Left had the solutions and policies to “fix” things.<br />
These Gramscian attacks have succeeded in moving the bar, so that the old governing images and standards as to what was “thinkable” and acceptable, the social and cultural barriers that formerly existed in people’s minds with regard to behavior and violence have been “transformed,” and the quantity, content, nature, and intensity of such witnessed, read about, remembered, and, then, imagined violence-and it’s possibility-has grown and become more and more imaginable and, thus, possible; such intense violence now virtually omnipresent as compared to the “old fashioned,” “rigid,” “judgmental,” and “stuffy” times of several decades ago.  </p>
<p>Paralleling these developments a current “therapeutic” model of dealing with crime in which punishments have been weakened, and a concomitant rise in the Marxist, determinist idea that individuals really have no personal responsibility for their acts, but are the powerless “victims” of various impersonal historical/economic/social forces–the Gramscian attack against Education, Religion and Judeo-Christian values, morality, and behavior has played its part here.  Further compounding the problem came the “deinstitutionalization” movement, which has flooded our streets with more and more of the mentally ill, while simultaneously making the definition of who is seriously mentally ill much narrower, and commitment of those seriously mentally ill much more difficult.  </p>
<p>Making matters even worse has been the Left’s politically correct desensitization of us all to what in former decades (until, starting in the 1960s) would have been considered “crazy” behavior, and the mantra that we mustn’t be “judgmental” about other people, so that people who would have formerly been seen as potentially dangerous, been more carefully watched, and seen as in need of hospitalization are now more often seen as just “odd,” and as people who should not be “judged,” but should be allowed to  just “follow their own drummer,” “as long as they don’t hurt anybody.”  Of course, by the time they actually “hurt” somebody it is just too late.</p>
<p>I can’t guarantee it, but my guess is that in the former “bad” old decades a lot of these sociopathic, greatly “disturbed” mass murderers would have not had so much social and cultural “permission” to carry out their fantasies and impulses, would have been detected, and locked up in some mental hospital, and not been free and out on the streets, able to commit these crimes.</p>
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		By: davisbr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/14/more-on-the-newtown-massacre/#comment-478775</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;@neo-neocon &lt;/b&gt;: at 1:30 pm &lt;i&gt;I would be in favor of an armed guard at schools, or even arming certain teachers who have the right training and/or background. The idea of schools as a totally gun-free zone only seems to empower criminals bent on harm to come there knowing it will be very hard to stop them.&lt;/i&gt;
My very first reaction was similar, neo: we need to add small arms training, certification, and a carry option to teaching credentials.

Incentivize the credentialing by adding an economic stipend from the school districts for those passing the course (even janitors, secretarys, school guards, whatever), and maintaining a concealed carry weapon on their person at all times.

And introduce legislation to abolish the establishment of the idiotic &quot;gun free&quot; campuses ...or as the evil call them &quot;free fire zones&quot;.

One of those administrators/teachers might then have been able to take that loony out before those babies died.

...but unarmed like that? - This was finished almost &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; the police &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; arrive.

Senseless, senseless tragedy. Evil ...just evil.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@neo-neocon </b>: at 1:30 pm <i>I would be in favor of an armed guard at schools, or even arming certain teachers who have the right training and/or background. The idea of schools as a totally gun-free zone only seems to empower criminals bent on harm to come there knowing it will be very hard to stop them.</i><br />
My very first reaction was similar, neo: we need to add small arms training, certification, and a carry option to teaching credentials.</p>
<p>Incentivize the credentialing by adding an economic stipend from the school districts for those passing the course (even janitors, secretarys, school guards, whatever), and maintaining a concealed carry weapon on their person at all times.</p>
<p>And introduce legislation to abolish the establishment of the idiotic &#8220;gun free&#8221; campuses &#8230;or as the evil call them &#8220;free fire zones&#8221;.</p>
<p>One of those administrators/teachers might then have been able to take that loony out before those babies died.</p>
<p>&#8230;but unarmed like that? &#8211; This was finished almost <i>before</i> the police <i>could</i> arrive.</p>
<p>Senseless, senseless tragedy. Evil &#8230;just evil.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/14/more-on-the-newtown-massacre/#comment-478623</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[goy: I just saw your latest comment, but I&#039;ve already dealt with some of these questions in &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my latest post&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goy: I just saw your latest comment, but I&#8217;ve already dealt with some of these questions in <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2012/12/15/the-newtown-massacre-gun-control-mental-illness/" rel="nofollow">my latest post</a>.</p>
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		By: obsidian		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/14/more-on-the-newtown-massacre/#comment-478612</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[10,000 people die by gunfire every year in America.
Solution: Ban guns.
1.3 million abortions are performed every year in America. That&#039;s 1.3 million little, helpless babies murdered in the safety of their mother&#039;s womb by the mother&#039;s and the abortion doctors.
The abortions kill more children than guns by a factor of 100 to 1 
Solution: Make abortion a paid by the taxpayer unwillingly to enable baby killing by the mothers.
WHAT!
Ban guns to save children but enable money to be taxed to kill babies?
I&#039;d say the ban people are banning the wrong killing device, ban the brain suction abortion instrument if you really, really want to save childrens lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10,000 people die by gunfire every year in America.<br />
Solution: Ban guns.<br />
1.3 million abortions are performed every year in America. That&#8217;s 1.3 million little, helpless babies murdered in the safety of their mother&#8217;s womb by the mother&#8217;s and the abortion doctors.<br />
The abortions kill more children than guns by a factor of 100 to 1<br />
Solution: Make abortion a paid by the taxpayer unwillingly to enable baby killing by the mothers.<br />
WHAT!<br />
Ban guns to save children but enable money to be taxed to kill babies?<br />
I&#8217;d say the ban people are banning the wrong killing device, ban the brain suction abortion instrument if you really, really want to save childrens lives.</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/12/14/more-on-the-newtown-massacre/#comment-478607</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nobody ever knows how they will react in a life-and-death situation until they&#039;re faced with one.

Military and/or police training certainly helps.  The idea of training and practice is that your reactions become automatic when faced with an emergency.  But it&#039;s not a guarantee.

I remember my dad, who was a WWII Navy vet, saying that sometimes the roughest, toughest guys would go to pieces when they had to get their vaccinations.  They were scared of the needles.

Then there are people like &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_York&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sgt. Alvin York&lt;/a&gt;, who initially claimed conscientious objector status but ended up earning the Medal of Honor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody ever knows how they will react in a life-and-death situation until they&#8217;re faced with one.</p>
<p>Military and/or police training certainly helps.  The idea of training and practice is that your reactions become automatic when faced with an emergency.  But it&#8217;s not a guarantee.</p>
<p>I remember my dad, who was a WWII Navy vet, saying that sometimes the roughest, toughest guys would go to pieces when they had to get their vaccinations.  They were scared of the needles.</p>
<p>Then there are people like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_York" rel="nofollow">Sgt. Alvin York</a>, who initially claimed conscientious objector status but ended up earning the Medal of Honor.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fair enough. Perhaps, then, some discussion of how these and related factors COULD combine to create a situation like this? And what sort of policy - if any - might be pursued in order to minimize the resulting danger.

I&#039;m always fascinated by the eagerness with which the media focuses, laser-like, on the firearms used in tragedies like this - including misrepresenting a semi-auto rifle as an &quot;automatic&quot; or &quot;assault&quot; rifle - but there rarely seems to be nearly as much interest in understanding the details of the shooter&#039;s mental state, what factors led to it, and how all that pertains to the shooting.

Furthermore, I&#039;m always fascinated by the media&#039;s complete dismissal of where these kinds of events always seem to occur - specifically, in places where there&#039;s an implicit guarantee no one will shoot back and / or at least pin the aggressor down with return fire so as to minimize the carnage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. Perhaps, then, some discussion of how these and related factors COULD combine to create a situation like this? And what sort of policy &#8211; if any &#8211; might be pursued in order to minimize the resulting danger.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always fascinated by the eagerness with which the media focuses, laser-like, on the firearms used in tragedies like this &#8211; including misrepresenting a semi-auto rifle as an &#8220;automatic&#8221; or &#8220;assault&#8221; rifle &#8211; but there rarely seems to be nearly as much interest in understanding the details of the shooter&#8217;s mental state, what factors led to it, and how all that pertains to the shooting.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I&#8217;m always fascinated by the media&#8217;s complete dismissal of where these kinds of events always seem to occur &#8211; specifically, in places where there&#8217;s an implicit guarantee no one will shoot back and / or at least pin the aggressor down with return fire so as to minimize the carnage.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[artfldgr: I agree with you about the media and the use of this incident to push an agenda of gun control, which does not conform with the facts of this case.  Armed people in the school would have helped

As far as I can tell, though, the women here who were murdered, such as the principal, did not &quot;hide,&quot; as you state.  The principal &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/15/sandy-hook-principal-newtown-connecticut-shooting-victim/1771193/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;was reportedly killed&lt;/a&gt; &quot;lunging&quot; at the perpetrator in order to overtake him.  

Now, of course you may regard this as a lie for propaganda, in order to make her seem more heroic.  That is always possible.   But that&#039;s the report.

I also heard that some of the other teachers/staff who were killed may have done similar things.  Of course we don&#039;t know for sure.  Many of the women who &quot;hid&quot; (like the first grade teacher who was interviewed) had classes of young kids they were protecting, and they hid because they were hiding with the children under their care.  I agree with you, though, that women are probably less likely, statistically speaking, to try to tackle or disarm a shooter, than men would be.

I would be in favor of an armed guard at schools, or even arming certain teachers who have the right training and/or background.  The idea of schools as a totally gun-free zone only seems to empower criminals bent on harm to come there knowing it will be very hard to stop them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>artfldgr: I agree with you about the media and the use of this incident to push an agenda of gun control, which does not conform with the facts of this case.  Armed people in the school would have helped</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, though, the women here who were murdered, such as the principal, did not &#8220;hide,&#8221; as you state.  The principal <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/15/sandy-hook-principal-newtown-connecticut-shooting-victim/1771193/" rel="nofollow">was reportedly killed</a> &#8220;lunging&#8221; at the perpetrator in order to overtake him.  </p>
<p>Now, of course you may regard this as a lie for propaganda, in order to make her seem more heroic.  That is always possible.   But that&#8217;s the report.</p>
<p>I also heard that some of the other teachers/staff who were killed may have done similar things.  Of course we don&#8217;t know for sure.  Many of the women who &#8220;hid&#8221; (like the first grade teacher who was interviewed) had classes of young kids they were protecting, and they hid because they were hiding with the children under their care.  I agree with you, though, that women are probably less likely, statistically speaking, to try to tackle or disarm a shooter, than men would be.</p>
<p>I would be in favor of an armed guard at schools, or even arming certain teachers who have the right training and/or background.  The idea of schools as a totally gun-free zone only seems to empower criminals bent on harm to come there knowing it will be very hard to stop them.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[goy: I just don&#039;t have enough information yet to have a clue as to whether &quot;spectrum disorder, inappropriately prescribed meds and/or parental irresponsibility combined to produce this horrific event.&quot;  We don&#039;t know what (if any) disorder Lanza had, whether he was taking meds or not and why they may or may not have been prescribed, or what sort of parenting he was subject to.  Not a clue, really.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goy: I just don&#8217;t have enough information yet to have a clue as to whether &#8220;spectrum disorder, inappropriately prescribed meds and/or parental irresponsibility combined to produce this horrific event.&#8221;  We don&#8217;t know what (if any) disorder Lanza had, whether he was taking meds or not and why they may or may not have been prescribed, or what sort of parenting he was subject to.  Not a clue, really.</p>
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