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		By: davisbr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/11/05/california-and-its-electoral-votes/#comment-452021</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Snake Plissken’s time will come&lt;/i&gt;.

Why I Left California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Snake Plissken’s time will come</i>.</p>
<p>Why I Left California.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/11/05/california-and-its-electoral-votes/#comment-451942</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When an American minority group -- nationally -- comes to hold a decisive chunk of the local political landscape, their tendency to vote as a bloc -- for one party -- causes that party to morph into a sectarian machine.

These machines become so hyper-dominant that their relation to their national party is but token.

The Japanese community in Hawaii is approximately 25%ish of the census. However, 100% of the civil service secretaries working for the state government are Japanese. (circa 1996) 

When that stat was revealed by the local, dominant newspaper there was no Federal outcry, no plea that Hawaii obey Federal laws.

Having worked within the Hawaii State civil service, I can attest that an astounding number of said secretaries have husbands contracting business with the State of Hawaii -- typically in construction. Which explains why non-Japanese never seem to win any State contracts, until the scale is too large for local talent.

[ The H-1 Freeway viaduct in front of the airport was locally contracted. The overpass join was so screwed up by the &#039;amateurs&#039; ( North and south cantilevered elements were off by an astounding 84 &lt;i&gt;vertical&lt;/i&gt; inches; thus, unable to meet.  ) that work stopped for nine months while a fresh contract was cut to rescue the local (Japanese-American) dunces. I happened to talk to the CEO and COO of the rescuing contractor: it was the worst boner they&#039;d ever seen.]

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My Ashkenazi neighbor re-settled in the islands, in a bygone era. He was hyper-active in Democrat politics -- a big time contributor with a wallet to match.

He fled the Islands after a year. He discovered that the Democrat Party of Hawaii  has no real connection to the national party -- and that, while they&#039;d certainly take his big money, under no circumstances would they accept any political impact from an &#039;immigrant&#039;/ off-the-jet liberal Jew.

Indeed, he discovered anti-Jewish sentiment that would meld with Imperial Japan, circa 1944.

The local party was completely in its own orbit. ( This was also true for the unions. The AFL-CIO at the national level was dissed and snubbed at every turn. )

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All of the above should be kept in mind when prognosticating California.

That state shall certainly devolve into ethnic bloc voting, and cause her golden age to entirely close.

The productive population will displace by ethnicity. African Americans will return to Atlanta. The North European Americans will head north and east; making those states boom in the Electoral College.

Snake Plissken&#039;s time will come.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When an American minority group &#8212; nationally &#8212; comes to hold a decisive chunk of the local political landscape, their tendency to vote as a bloc &#8212; for one party &#8212; causes that party to morph into a sectarian machine.</p>
<p>These machines become so hyper-dominant that their relation to their national party is but token.</p>
<p>The Japanese community in Hawaii is approximately 25%ish of the census. However, 100% of the civil service secretaries working for the state government are Japanese. (circa 1996) </p>
<p>When that stat was revealed by the local, dominant newspaper there was no Federal outcry, no plea that Hawaii obey Federal laws.</p>
<p>Having worked within the Hawaii State civil service, I can attest that an astounding number of said secretaries have husbands contracting business with the State of Hawaii &#8212; typically in construction. Which explains why non-Japanese never seem to win any State contracts, until the scale is too large for local talent.</p>
<p>[ The H-1 Freeway viaduct in front of the airport was locally contracted. The overpass join was so screwed up by the &#8216;amateurs&#8217; ( North and south cantilevered elements were off by an astounding 84 <i>vertical</i> inches; thus, unable to meet.  ) that work stopped for nine months while a fresh contract was cut to rescue the local (Japanese-American) dunces. I happened to talk to the CEO and COO of the rescuing contractor: it was the worst boner they&#8217;d ever seen.]</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>My Ashkenazi neighbor re-settled in the islands, in a bygone era. He was hyper-active in Democrat politics &#8212; a big time contributor with a wallet to match.</p>
<p>He fled the Islands after a year. He discovered that the Democrat Party of Hawaii  has no real connection to the national party &#8212; and that, while they&#8217;d certainly take his big money, under no circumstances would they accept any political impact from an &#8216;immigrant&#8217;/ off-the-jet liberal Jew.</p>
<p>Indeed, he discovered anti-Jewish sentiment that would meld with Imperial Japan, circa 1944.</p>
<p>The local party was completely in its own orbit. ( This was also true for the unions. The AFL-CIO at the national level was dissed and snubbed at every turn. )</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>All of the above should be kept in mind when prognosticating California.</p>
<p>That state shall certainly devolve into ethnic bloc voting, and cause her golden age to entirely close.</p>
<p>The productive population will displace by ethnicity. African Americans will return to Atlanta. The North European Americans will head north and east; making those states boom in the Electoral College.</p>
<p>Snake Plissken&#8217;s time will come.</p>
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		By: davisbr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/11/05/california-and-its-electoral-votes/#comment-451181</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 07:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to go out on a speculation limb here (though it&#039;s based upon familiarity and experience of the history of the thing):

The Californians who moved to Oregon and Washington in the first Cali&#039; emigration wave - say 1970&#039;s to late 1980&#039;s - were primarily people who had made a killing on the appreciation of the value of their homes in the hyper-inflated CA real estate market of the period (there&#039;s all kinds of reason for that hyper-inflated market, but the biggie was immigration: Cali&#039; more than doubled in population between 1960 and 1980 ...homes were a premium in &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; location).

They&#039;d bought homes in the 50&#039;s-60&#039;s (and into the mid-70&#039;s or so), and found that a home they&#039;d paid around $15K-$30K for, was worth a quarter mil&#039; to a half mil&#039; (keep in mind that&#039;s in 1970&#039;s dollars, and adjust accordingly to gauge the financial impact in current terms).

&lt;i&gt;And&lt;/i&gt; their property taxes had been/were being raised commensurately (hence the success of Prop. 13 ...though in a lot of ways, the Rubicon had already been crossed).

But they could move to Portland say, or one of Seattle&#039;s bedroom communities, and buy a &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; nicer place, and still have the vast majority of their equity to invest in, live on, look for a new career, whatever. With a whole different order of taxation. (As in &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; less.)

So ...they left. It was kind of a no-brainer. If you could stand the northwest&#039;s weather, you moved.

Those people were mostly liberal (not&lt;b&gt;!!!&lt;/b&gt; all though) and were leaving based upon financial considerations ...and they took their politics with them (even conservative Californians are very &lt;i&gt;laissez faire&lt;/i&gt; in their social tendencies).

The result was a liberal &quot;California&quot; &lt;i&gt;political&lt;/i&gt; &quot;shift&quot; in Oregon and Washington (and the locals of that more conservative period in both states both noticed, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; resented this - whoo boy, did they resent this) ...and a sociocultural one, too (eventually).

The new &quot;millenium wave&quot; leaving California since 2000, though, are primarily &lt;i&gt;conservatives&lt;/i&gt;. And they are bringing &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; political tendencies with them as they exfiltrate to Oregon and Washington, too.

I do have a prediction about the future of politics in both Oregon and Washington as this new wave of California emigrants settle in for the long haul.

We&#039;ll see than, won&#039;t we.

LOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to go out on a speculation limb here (though it&#8217;s based upon familiarity and experience of the history of the thing):</p>
<p>The Californians who moved to Oregon and Washington in the first Cali&#8217; emigration wave &#8211; say 1970&#8217;s to late 1980&#8217;s &#8211; were primarily people who had made a killing on the appreciation of the value of their homes in the hyper-inflated CA real estate market of the period (there&#8217;s all kinds of reason for that hyper-inflated market, but the biggie was immigration: Cali&#8217; more than doubled in population between 1960 and 1980 &#8230;homes were a premium in <i>any</i> location).</p>
<p>They&#8217;d bought homes in the 50&#8217;s-60&#8217;s (and into the mid-70&#8217;s or so), and found that a home they&#8217;d paid around $15K-$30K for, was worth a quarter mil&#8217; to a half mil&#8217; (keep in mind that&#8217;s in 1970&#8217;s dollars, and adjust accordingly to gauge the financial impact in current terms).</p>
<p><i>And</i> their property taxes had been/were being raised commensurately (hence the success of Prop. 13 &#8230;though in a lot of ways, the Rubicon had already been crossed).</p>
<p>But they could move to Portland say, or one of Seattle&#8217;s bedroom communities, and buy a <i>much</i> nicer place, and still have the vast majority of their equity to invest in, live on, look for a new career, whatever. With a whole different order of taxation. (As in <i>much</i> less.)</p>
<p>So &#8230;they left. It was kind of a no-brainer. If you could stand the northwest&#8217;s weather, you moved.</p>
<p>Those people were mostly liberal (not<b>!!!</b> all though) and were leaving based upon financial considerations &#8230;and they took their politics with them (even conservative Californians are very <i>laissez faire</i> in their social tendencies).</p>
<p>The result was a liberal &#8220;California&#8221; <i>political</i> &#8220;shift&#8221; in Oregon and Washington (and the locals of that more conservative period in both states both noticed, <i>and</i> resented this &#8211; whoo boy, did they resent this) &#8230;and a sociocultural one, too (eventually).</p>
<p>The new &#8220;millenium wave&#8221; leaving California since 2000, though, are primarily <i>conservatives</i>. And they are bringing <i>their</i> political tendencies with them as they exfiltrate to Oregon and Washington, too.</p>
<p>I do have a prediction about the future of politics in both Oregon and Washington as this new wave of California emigrants settle in for the long haul.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see than, won&#8217;t we.</p>
<p>LOL.</p>
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		By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/11/05/california-and-its-electoral-votes/#comment-451135</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wry: Republicans all – are held hostage, and their votes essentially don’t count in presidential elections.

The smart Republicans are leaving California. What fool wants to be there when the whole thing collapses?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wry: Republicans all – are held hostage, and their votes essentially don’t count in presidential elections.</p>
<p>The smart Republicans are leaving California. What fool wants to be there when the whole thing collapses?</p>
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		By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/11/05/california-and-its-electoral-votes/#comment-451134</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dave Leip has far and away the best election atlas.

http://uselectionatlas.org/

Historical data going back just about as far as it exists.

Note that he&#039;s refused to change colors like the Big Media did when they noticed that the Dems (historically Red) were ... gosh, kind Marxist and all that... &quot;Red stuff&quot;. about 12-16 years ago when suddenly &quot;Dems&quot; were &quot;Blue&quot; and the &quot;GOP&quot; was  &quot;Red&quot;.

He uses the same consistent colors that have always been used for decades.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Leip has far and away the best election atlas.</p>
<p><a href="http://uselectionatlas.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://uselectionatlas.org/</a></p>
<p>Historical data going back just about as far as it exists.</p>
<p>Note that he&#8217;s refused to change colors like the Big Media did when they noticed that the Dems (historically Red) were &#8230; gosh, kind Marxist and all that&#8230; &#8220;Red stuff&#8221;. about 12-16 years ago when suddenly &#8220;Dems&#8221; were &#8220;Blue&#8221; and the &#8220;GOP&#8221; was  &#8220;Red&#8221;.</p>
<p>He uses the same consistent colors that have always been used for decades.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970203922804578080684214526670-lMyQjAxMTAyMDAwNTEwNDUyWj.html?mod=wsj_valetleft_email&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a column&lt;/a&gt; by Randy Barnett, addressed to libertarians, that&#039;s well worth reading.

Barnett, by the way, is a libertarian.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052970203922804578080684214526670-lMyQjAxMTAyMDAwNTEwNDUyWj.html?mod=wsj_valetleft_email" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a column</a> by Randy Barnett, addressed to libertarians, that&#8217;s well worth reading.</p>
<p>Barnett, by the way, is a libertarian.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann,

I realize that all Californians are not alike, same goes for Iowans; but over the last 4 decades a majority of Californians have voted for politicians who have put in place precedences that &#039;progressives&#039; have championed even in Iowa.  I don&#039;t blame you personally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann,</p>
<p>I realize that all Californians are not alike, same goes for Iowans; but over the last 4 decades a majority of Californians have voted for politicians who have put in place precedences that &#8216;progressives&#8217; have championed even in Iowa.  I don&#8217;t blame you personally.</p>
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		By: Tesh		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/11/05/california-and-its-electoral-votes/#comment-450981</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 03:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Wry Mouth

That&#039;s where I wonder again why most states award their EC votes as an &quot;all or nothing&quot; proposition.  It seems... unwise.  It marginalizes the smaller states... at least, from where I sit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wry Mouth</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where I wonder again why most states award their EC votes as an &#8220;all or nothing&#8221; proposition.  It seems&#8230; unwise.  It marginalizes the smaller states&#8230; at least, from where I sit.</p>
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		By: Wry Mouth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 03:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Consider this also: as a Californian (soon, sadly, to be ex-), recall that since 10% of the nation resides here, that means that about 4.5 % of the POPULATION OF THE USA -- Republicans all -- are held hostage, and their votes essentially don&#039;t count in presidential elections.
Still, soldier on, I would say to my GOP friends. Keep true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider this also: as a Californian (soon, sadly, to be ex-), recall that since 10% of the nation resides here, that means that about 4.5 % of the POPULATION OF THE USA &#8212; Republicans all &#8212; are held hostage, and their votes essentially don&#8217;t count in presidential elections.<br />
Still, soldier on, I would say to my GOP friends. Keep true.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, be a little easier on Californians -- they really aren’t all alike, you know. 

There was a Nov. 2 presidential poll &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pe.com/local-news/politics/ben-goad-headlines/20121102-field-poll-obama-on-track-to-coast-in-california.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nov. 2 presidential poll&lt;/a&gt; there, and it showed Obama with a smaller lead than in 2008: a 14-point lead rather than the 2008 24-point lead.

And there’s also this:

&lt;i&gt;This year’s poll also shows a significant drop in support for the president in the region of the state that includes Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Four years ago, Obama led that part of the state by a slim margin in the final days before the election, and he went on to win both counties, which have traditionally leaned Republican.

Today’s poll, however, shows Romney with a commanding 53 percent to 38 percent lead – a virtual reversal of the statewide numbers – in portions of Southern California outside Los Angeles and the South Coast.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, be a little easier on Californians &#8212; they really aren’t all alike, you know. </p>
<p>There was a Nov. 2 presidential poll <a href="http://www.pe.com/local-news/politics/ben-goad-headlines/20121102-field-poll-obama-on-track-to-coast-in-california.ece" rel="nofollow">Nov. 2 presidential poll</a> there, and it showed Obama with a smaller lead than in 2008: a 14-point lead rather than the 2008 24-point lead.</p>
<p>And there’s also this:</p>
<p><i>This year’s poll also shows a significant drop in support for the president in the region of the state that includes Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Four years ago, Obama led that part of the state by a slim margin in the final days before the election, and he went on to win both counties, which have traditionally leaned Republican.</p>
<p>Today’s poll, however, shows Romney with a commanding 53 percent to 38 percent lead – a virtual reversal of the statewide numbers – in portions of Southern California outside Los Angeles and the South Coast.</i></p>
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