Comments on: The Benghazi ooze

By: Steve D

Steve D — Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:48:29 +0000

‘This does not, in any way, shape or form, mean the American people actually endorse anything he has said or done outside of this last week.’
It means Americans are so shallow and so inattentive to notice that they are being pushed off the cliff. That’s a very bad sign. Once Obama gets finished demolishing the military and the economy, it will be game over for America. How close we are to the edge of the cliff is hard to tell but if Romney were elected, he might actually slow the pace and give us time to regroup.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_20121101.html
The latest poll up to 11/1 shows a possible tiny shift towards Romney.

By: Ackler

Ackler — Sat, 03 Nov 2012 01:44:00 +0000

Understandable. But if it does indeed happen (and I reiterate, I will not be happy if it does), neither you nor anyone should descend into despair. Obama is going to win (in my opinion) because of pure chance…a natural disaster. And, exploiting that disaster quite adroitly while Romney reacted poorly. This does not, in any way, shape or form, mean the American people actually endorse anything he has said or done outside of this last week. As I said, there is going to be an overwhelming nationwide buyer’s remorse, long before the inauguration. Benghazi will likely intensify it to the point of serious guilt and regret. If so, Obama will began his second term the lamest of lame ducks. I want conservatives rejuvenated and feisty if/when that happens; down, but by no means out.

By: Steve D

Steve D — Sat, 03 Nov 2012 01:07:22 +0000

‘As I said, we should shake it off and come right back in swinging.’

The problem is, if after everything which has gone down the country still elects Obama, especially in a landslide, it would be hard for me to believe in the American people anymore.

By: Ackler

Ackler — Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:40:17 +0000

Steve,

Yes, I am willing to return here on election night, regardless of the outcome. And I know my prediction seems extreme, but I stand by it. As for it being a bad portent, I agree completely. That’s why conservatives should neither sulk nor rage when it comes. As I said, we should shake it off and come right back in swinging.

I believe this is going to turn out similar to 1980. We may not see any significant shift in most polls (which have demonstrated their unreliable nature this election anyway). The shift is coming too late in the cycle to be measured accurately. But it is coming.

By: Steve D

Steve D — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:14:48 +0000

Ackler: Are you willing to post back to this site the day after the election and discuss your prediction regardless of the outcome? Bear in mind that that from your words, unless Obama basically beats Romney by more than he did McCain, you prediction is incorrect. You said landslide.

If you are right and the populace is so shallow that a single storm can sway them that much — well in my opinion, that’s a very bad portent for the country.

The overall spread has not yet changed much and certainly the race (if you believe the polls) is very tight.

By: ConceptJunkie

ConceptJunkie — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:02:10 +0000

Ackler, it all boils down to the fact that your prediction is extreme and you seem so darned sure about it. This is why people are questioning your motives. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on that, but I think you are way off. I’m sure some people will be swayed by Sandy and Christie’s and Bloomberg’s endorsements, but frankly, someone so easily swayed would just as likely be swayed by what they had for breakfast or some butterfly in Mongolia or something.

I can understand people not liking either candidate, and being indecisive because of that, but I think it’s ludicrous that something that happens at the last moment should have a significant effect on someone’s opinion. But as I said above, I am both optimistic and pessimistic about the judgement of the American people. I don’t think anything can shock me any more.

By: Ackler

Ackler — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:20:05 +0000

Wow. I went from merely being a concern troll to being part of Obama’s ground game. I’m flattered (I guess). 🙂 However, I am neither. I’m just an ordinary guy from Wisconsin who is quite frustrated at seeing Romney sink, much (but not all) due to circumstances beyond his control, and taking much of the GOP down ticket with him.

I’m also trying to soften the coming blow, to raise awareness, so that it does not come as a complete surprise. My biggest fear is not a large electoral defeat, but that the shock of it will leave conservatives dumbstruck, confused, angry and in denial. I worry most about the exessive finger pointing, conspiracy rumors, and downright resignation. I don’t want to give Obama a victory and a blank slate as well because the opposition is in utter chaos. I you believe, as I do, that the election merely one round in an ongoing match, when the blow hits, you will wince, shake it off and get right back in the ring. If the Benghazi scandal is as serious as it appears, there will be another round shortly after Obama wins on Tuesday. I just want to make sure we’re ready to come out swinging then

By: carl in atlanta

carl in atlanta — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 11:25:01 +0000

Neo: As I thought. Guess he’s part of OfA’s “ground game”.
You must be on someone’s radar. Congrats (I guess).

By: neo-neocon

neo-neocon — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 04:27:22 +0000

carl in atlanta: "ackler's" first comment was on October 29 (this one). He has posted entirely on one topic: how Sandy will eclipse Benghazi and ensure Obama's victory as well as a Democratic Congress.

By: Steve D

Steve D — Fri, 02 Nov 2012 01:08:09 +0000

http://www.cbsnews.com/politics/?tag=categoryNav;flyoutPoltab

Please take a look at this photo. Then tell me what you think about the bias at CBS. Or in other words, who looks more presidential, Romney or Obama?