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		By: Bones Of The Foot		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-908603</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bones Of The Foot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s remarkable to go to see this web page and reading the views 
of all mates on the topic &lt;a href=&quot;https://haroldbechtol.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/everything-you-need-to-know-about-heel-pain-and-discomfort&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bones Of The Foot&lt;/a&gt; this post, 
while I am also keen of getting familiarity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s remarkable to go to see this web page and reading the views<br />
of all mates on the topic <a href="https://haroldbechtol.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/everything-you-need-to-know-about-heel-pain-and-discomfort" rel="nofollow">Bones Of The Foot</a> this post,<br />
while I am also keen of getting familiarity.</p>
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		By: Insoles For High Arch		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-842344</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Insoles For High Arch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2014 03:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do believe all of the ideas you have presented for your post.

They&#039;re very convincing and will certainly work. Nonetheless, 
the posts are too brief &lt;a href=&quot;http://sexorplay.co.za/index.php?m=member_blog&#038;p=view&#038;id=3825&#038;sid=522&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Insoles For High Arch&lt;/a&gt; starters.
Could you please lengthen them a little from next time?
Thanks for the post.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe all of the ideas you have presented for your post.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re very convincing and will certainly work. Nonetheless,<br />
the posts are too brief <a href="http://sexorplay.co.za/index.php?m=member_blog&amp;p=view&amp;id=3825&amp;sid=522" rel="nofollow">Insoles For High Arch</a> starters.<br />
Could you please lengthen them a little from next time?<br />
Thanks for the post.</p>
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		By: ziontruth		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-432131</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ziontruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[T,

&quot;It&#039;s not the presence of the scam that rigs the game, it&#039;s the fact that the mark doesn&#039;t know it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a scam.&quot;

One can know he&#039;s being scammed and not do anything about it, and then the rigged game is just as effective at slanting the result. How many interruptions by Raddatz in Biden&#039;s favor did Ryan need in order to understand she was biased? After a certain point, his lack of readiness to call her upon it was negligent.

&quot;Now if you tell me that the Repub debate team didn’t expect Dem bias from an avowed liberal moderater and were caught by surprise,...&quot;

Lehrer&#039;s exceptionally fair moderation may have made them complacent. Or it may be the usual Republican fault of being too compromising, cutting the other side too much slack for their own good.

&quot;As for Netanyahu,...&quot;

I only brought my local affairs as an analogy, nothing literal to be read into it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T,</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not the presence of the scam that rigs the game, it&#8217;s the fact that the mark doesn&#8217;t know it <em>is</em> a scam.&#8221;</p>
<p>One can know he&#8217;s being scammed and not do anything about it, and then the rigged game is just as effective at slanting the result. How many interruptions by Raddatz in Biden&#8217;s favor did Ryan need in order to understand she was biased? After a certain point, his lack of readiness to call her upon it was negligent.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now if you tell me that the Repub debate team didn’t expect Dem bias from an avowed liberal moderater and were caught by surprise,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Lehrer&#8217;s exceptionally fair moderation may have made them complacent. Or it may be the usual Republican fault of being too compromising, cutting the other side too much slack for their own good.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for Netanyahu,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I only brought my local affairs as an analogy, nothing literal to be read into it.</p>
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		By: southpaw		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-431558</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 18:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo - That would make a great political ad.  Throw in Big Bird and it would be a party.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolla Dalbo &#8211; That would make a great political ad.  Throw in Big Bird and it would be a party.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-431496</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@1:37  AM above, Kolnai referenced my frequent assertion to the American spirit in our DNA (&quot;God willing — and the American electorate willing — your faith in our DNA will prove warranted.&quot;).

See this quote (emphasis mine):

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;&quot;I had doubts about Romney. I was worried he couldn&#039;t do it,&quot; admitted Kyle Lucke, a 22-year-old engineering student, &quot;but he was bold, &lt;b&gt;he showed a real good American attitude.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

the link (H/T Instapundit):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9601766/Obamas-election-strategy-has-collapsed-says-Romney-camp-as-their-man-begins-to-believe.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1:37  AM above, Kolnai referenced my frequent assertion to the American spirit in our DNA (&#8220;God willing — and the American electorate willing — your faith in our DNA will prove warranted.&#8221;).</p>
<p>See this quote (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>&#8220;I had doubts about Romney. I was worried he couldn&#8217;t do it,&#8221; admitted Kyle Lucke, a 22-year-old engineering student, &#8220;but he was bold, <b>he showed a real good American attitude.&#8221;</b></p></blockquote>
<p>the link (H/T Instapundit):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9601766/Obamas-election-strategy-has-collapsed-says-Romney-camp-as-their-man-begins-to-believe.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9601766/Obamas-election-strategy-has-collapsed-says-Romney-camp-as-their-man-begins-to-believe.html</a></p>
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		By: davisbr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-431495</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;@kolnai&lt;/b&gt;: at 4:35 am &lt;i&gt;Well, it might blacken your reputation.&lt;/i&gt;

Kudos. I lol&#039;d. /tips hat/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@kolnai</b>: at 4:35 am <i>Well, it might blacken your reputation.</i></p>
<p>Kudos. I lol&#8217;d. /tips hat/</p>
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		By: Occam's Beard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-431494</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I felt like I was watching the late Leslie Nielsen’s well-known role, only in a graceless remake.&lt;/i&gt;

Perfect!

I too, neo, suffer from debate-phobia, but my wife and kids wanted to watch, so I reluctantly turned from the Yankees-Orioles game.

Biden&#039;s demeanor struck me as forced, an obvious attempt to obfuscate the issues and derail a substantive debate into a slanging match. Ryan, to his credit, refrained from responding in kind, although a lesser man (ahem) would have been sorely tried to follow his example.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I felt like I was watching the late Leslie Nielsen’s well-known role, only in a graceless remake.</i></p>
<p>Perfect!</p>
<p>I too, neo, suffer from debate-phobia, but my wife and kids wanted to watch, so I reluctantly turned from the Yankees-Orioles game.</p>
<p>Biden&#8217;s demeanor struck me as forced, an obvious attempt to obfuscate the issues and derail a substantive debate into a slanging match. Ryan, to his credit, refrained from responding in kind, although a lesser man (ahem) would have been sorely tried to follow his example.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-431490</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trimegistus,

I suggest that the simplest weapon is to simply become immune to the charge of &quot;liar&quot; and &quot;racist.&quot;  It&#039;s kind of like the old &quot;sticks and stones&quot; retort.  Now, it&#039;s somewhat more complicated than in the schoolyard because a larger number of people respond &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; that invective.

IMO, that is one of the benefits that has come from the Obama administration.  &quot;Racist&quot; has been so overused that it has less impact on a daily basis.  So too will &quot;liar,&quot; although that word has just entered the lexicon of broascast politics.  The media has played a major role in this change; first giving the charges credence by refusing to ignore then; then, by not ignoring them giving them so much play that they become ineffective.

I, also, would be interested in Neoneocon&#039;s thoughts on this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trimegistus,</p>
<p>I suggest that the simplest weapon is to simply become immune to the charge of &#8220;liar&#8221; and &#8220;racist.&#8221;  It&#8217;s kind of like the old &#8220;sticks and stones&#8221; retort.  Now, it&#8217;s somewhat more complicated than in the schoolyard because a larger number of people respond <i>to</i> that invective.</p>
<p>IMO, that is one of the benefits that has come from the Obama administration.  &#8220;Racist&#8221; has been so overused that it has less impact on a daily basis.  So too will &#8220;liar,&#8221; although that word has just entered the lexicon of broascast politics.  The media has played a major role in this change; first giving the charges credence by refusing to ignore then; then, by not ignoring them giving them so much play that they become ineffective.</p>
<p>I, also, would be interested in Neoneocon&#8217;s thoughts on this.</p>
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		By: Trimegistus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/10/11/post-debate-thoughts/#comment-431472</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trimegistus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Biden embodied one of the things which I find most repellent about modern American liberals: the attitude that any disagreement with their idiotic notions is simply &lt;i&gt;impossible&lt;/i&gt;. If you don&#039;t parrot the same line, or if you challenge their blatant lies and unexamined assumptions, then you are not just wrong, you&#039;re &lt;i&gt;evil&lt;/i&gt;. So much of their moral identity is based on holding the correct opinions that encountering someone who doesn&#039;t hold them -- who challenges them or scoffs at them -- terrifies and enrages them.

The old idea that &quot;reasonable men of good will may disagree&quot; is simply &lt;i&gt;not possible&lt;/i&gt; for them to understand. Agreement is how they demonstrate their reasonableness and good will. 

This also explains why they are so eager to seize upon &quot;dog whistles&quot; to smear dissent as the result of racism or misogyny or something equally doubleplusungood. In their mindset disagreement simply &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; flow from unworthy motives.

I don&#039;t know how to counter or cure this attitude. Engaging them with logic and facts, as Romney and Ryan have done, leads to enraged shrieks: &quot;LIES! ALL LIES! CHEATING LIARS! LYING CHEATERS!&quot; 

And of course trying to deploy meaningless appeals to emotion as they do simply opens one to the charge of being superficial and manipulative.

Neo, you made the change: what can we do?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biden embodied one of the things which I find most repellent about modern American liberals: the attitude that any disagreement with their idiotic notions is simply <i>impossible</i>. If you don&#8217;t parrot the same line, or if you challenge their blatant lies and unexamined assumptions, then you are not just wrong, you&#8217;re <i>evil</i>. So much of their moral identity is based on holding the correct opinions that encountering someone who doesn&#8217;t hold them &#8212; who challenges them or scoffs at them &#8212; terrifies and enrages them.</p>
<p>The old idea that &#8220;reasonable men of good will may disagree&#8221; is simply <i>not possible</i> for them to understand. Agreement is how they demonstrate their reasonableness and good will. </p>
<p>This also explains why they are so eager to seize upon &#8220;dog whistles&#8221; to smear dissent as the result of racism or misogyny or something equally doubleplusungood. In their mindset disagreement simply <i>must</i> flow from unworthy motives.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how to counter or cure this attitude. Engaging them with logic and facts, as Romney and Ryan have done, leads to enraged shrieks: &#8220;LIES! ALL LIES! CHEATING LIARS! LYING CHEATERS!&#8221; </p>
<p>And of course trying to deploy meaningless appeals to emotion as they do simply opens one to the charge of being superficial and manipulative.</p>
<p>Neo, you made the change: what can we do?</p>
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		By: Harold		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aside from Biden being a bully and bizarre he executed a rather classic leftist tactic, denying your opponent the right to speak.

Back before conservatives had a media foothold, &quot;mainstream&quot; media would occasionally have conservatives on TV shows. However they would always have four or five leftists on as well so that the conservative would be overwhelmed, and yes there would be lots of smirking about the zoo creature they had on the show. 

The fairness doctrine was another attempt to deny conservatives the right to speak, more recent variants on this include net neutrality and local control of media.

Conservative speakers are always heckled by the left to deny them free speech. Only conservatives need bodyguards to speak on college campuses.

Currently if you watch any of the &quot;debates&quot; on cable TV you will regularly see leftists cross talking unless their mics are muted in order to drown out the conservative.

No doubt most conservatives in their personal lives have argued with leftists who are shocked and appalled that someone actually disagrees with their leftist religion and get very passionate and try to over talk you continuously.

So for leftists Biden seemed normal, whereas for the regular folks he seemed what he was, a weird bully.

One more point on Biden and Obama debating Romney-Ryan. Obama has a structural problem. He can&#039;t defend his failed, debacle of an economy, he can&#039;t defend his failed, debacle of a foreign policy, and as a Bolshevik he can&#039;t tell us who he is or where he wants to take the country as Americans aren&#039;t Bolsheviks. Thus we get lies, smears and obstruction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from Biden being a bully and bizarre he executed a rather classic leftist tactic, denying your opponent the right to speak.</p>
<p>Back before conservatives had a media foothold, &#8220;mainstream&#8221; media would occasionally have conservatives on TV shows. However they would always have four or five leftists on as well so that the conservative would be overwhelmed, and yes there would be lots of smirking about the zoo creature they had on the show. </p>
<p>The fairness doctrine was another attempt to deny conservatives the right to speak, more recent variants on this include net neutrality and local control of media.</p>
<p>Conservative speakers are always heckled by the left to deny them free speech. Only conservatives need bodyguards to speak on college campuses.</p>
<p>Currently if you watch any of the &#8220;debates&#8221; on cable TV you will regularly see leftists cross talking unless their mics are muted in order to drown out the conservative.</p>
<p>No doubt most conservatives in their personal lives have argued with leftists who are shocked and appalled that someone actually disagrees with their leftist religion and get very passionate and try to over talk you continuously.</p>
<p>So for leftists Biden seemed normal, whereas for the regular folks he seemed what he was, a weird bully.</p>
<p>One more point on Biden and Obama debating Romney-Ryan. Obama has a structural problem. He can&#8217;t defend his failed, debacle of an economy, he can&#8217;t defend his failed, debacle of a foreign policy, and as a Bolshevik he can&#8217;t tell us who he is or where he wants to take the country as Americans aren&#8217;t Bolsheviks. Thus we get lies, smears and obstruction.</p>
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