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		By: Demoralized as Hell, The poll the media isn&#039;t talking about edition &#187; Datechguy&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Demoralized as Hell, The poll the media isn&#039;t talking about edition &#187; Datechguy&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-418363</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 18:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl,

Stolen Elections?  The last time that happened nationally was 2000.  How&#039;d that turn out?

Keep in mind that this article (Datechguy) an the University of Colorado study do not mean that anything is written in stone.  However, the fact that they go against the conventional media wisdom means that there is more out there than meets the eye; an idea I&#039;ve been promoting here fro quite some time.

There are two solutions to a &quot;stolen election&quot; charge.  The first is to get out the vote so that a Romney win is decisive enough that the charge can&#039;t be made.  I think the Univ Colorado model (52.3% if I remember correctly) would do accomplish that and , if accurate, this rasmussen pol indicates that it could be at least that.

The second is to make sure that decisive vote is decisive enough in the swing states.  Practically speaking, who cares if the Obama fraudsters stuff ballot boxes in California, Delaware or DC.  Obama will take those states anyway.  The keys are OH, PA, VA and IA.  I think FL will be strongly enough Romney that it won&#039;t matter (seniors who respect maturity and results and aren&#039;t swayed by a &quot;cool&quot; factor, an increased Jewish vote as the result of Israel and the Middle East, and Cubans who trend more Republican than Mexican Hispanics).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl,</p>
<p>Stolen Elections?  The last time that happened nationally was 2000.  How&#8217;d that turn out?</p>
<p>Keep in mind that this article (Datechguy) an the University of Colorado study do not mean that anything is written in stone.  However, the fact that they go against the conventional media wisdom means that there is more out there than meets the eye; an idea I&#8217;ve been promoting here fro quite some time.</p>
<p>There are two solutions to a &#8220;stolen election&#8221; charge.  The first is to get out the vote so that a Romney win is decisive enough that the charge can&#8217;t be made.  I think the Univ Colorado model (52.3% if I remember correctly) would do accomplish that and , if accurate, this rasmussen pol indicates that it could be at least that.</p>
<p>The second is to make sure that decisive vote is decisive enough in the swing states.  Practically speaking, who cares if the Obama fraudsters stuff ballot boxes in California, Delaware or DC.  Obama will take those states anyway.  The keys are OH, PA, VA and IA.  I think FL will be strongly enough Romney that it won&#8217;t matter (seniors who respect maturity and results and aren&#8217;t swayed by a &#8220;cool&#8221; factor, an increased Jewish vote as the result of Israel and the Middle East, and Cubans who trend more Republican than Mexican Hispanics).</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-418312</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is heartening, but I worry that the biased polls could be used to justify &quot;stolen election&quot; charges if Romney wins.  You &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; the media would happily push such a narrative, even if it meant the whole country going up in flames.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is heartening, but I worry that the biased polls could be used to justify &#8220;stolen election&#8221; charges if Romney wins.  You <i>know</i> the media would happily push such a narrative, even if it meant the whole country going up in flames.</p>
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		By: Jamie Irons		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-418239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jamie Irons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;October Surprises&quot; seem all to be tending in a direction to damage Obama, not Romney.

Jamie Irons]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;October Surprises&#8221; seem all to be tending in a direction to damage Obama, not Romney.</p>
<p>Jamie Irons</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-418238</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The other problem with polls is that the response rate has been falling. I read it is now about 9%. i.e. only that percentage of the polled sample actually responds.

There is a discussion of the problem at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gallup.com/poll/7510/looking-closely-survey-response-rates.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gallup.&lt;/a&gt;

I suspect the author minimizes the impact, but it has to have some. People who have abandoned land lines are much harder to poll. People with call screening are hard to poll, especially since they may get half a dozen such calls in a day. 

We screen our calls and rarely respond. If my wife responds, she always answers ambiguously. We know the polls are under sampling Republicans. It may be that they have no choice; Republicans are less likely to respond to a pollster.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other problem with polls is that the response rate has been falling. I read it is now about 9%. i.e. only that percentage of the polled sample actually responds.</p>
<p>There is a discussion of the problem at <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/7510/looking-closely-survey-response-rates.aspx" rel="nofollow">Gallup.</a></p>
<p>I suspect the author minimizes the impact, but it has to have some. People who have abandoned land lines are much harder to poll. People with call screening are hard to poll, especially since they may get half a dozen such calls in a day. </p>
<p>We screen our calls and rarely respond. If my wife responds, she always answers ambiguously. We know the polls are under sampling Republicans. It may be that they have no choice; Republicans are less likely to respond to a pollster.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-418216</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ships from 30 nations sweep mines in Persian Gulf in warning to Tehran...

IRAN DEPLOYS RUSSIAN-MADE SUBMARINE IN GULF...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ships from 30 nations sweep mines in Persian Gulf in warning to Tehran&#8230;</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-418211</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And on polling, there is an excellent article over at PJmedia by Roger Kimball.  A sample of his wisdom:

&quot;Strategists and, by extension, journalists and the public at large look to the polls as the Romans looked to the entrails of birds: suitably interpreted, they could foretell the future.&quot;

Read the whole thing:

http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2012/09/17/newtons-first-law/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on polling, there is an excellent article over at PJmedia by Roger Kimball.  A sample of his wisdom:</p>
<p>&#8220;Strategists and, by extension, journalists and the public at large look to the polls as the Romans looked to the entrails of birds: suitably interpreted, they could foretell the future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read the whole thing:</p>
<p><a href="http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2012/09/17/newtons-first-law/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pjmedia.com/rogerkimball/2012/09/17/newtons-first-law/</a></p>
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		By: SteveH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-418126</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A typical brainwashed democrat would just as soon lose in Nov if he can just claim a lead and moral superiority till then. They really are that dependent on cognitive dissonance. It&#039;s like expecting a crack addict to conserve if hes told his supply will likely dry up in 60 days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A typical brainwashed democrat would just as soon lose in Nov if he can just claim a lead and moral superiority till then. They really are that dependent on cognitive dissonance. It&#8217;s like expecting a crack addict to conserve if hes told his supply will likely dry up in 60 days.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-418076</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are still two gorillas in the room, how the hell did someone like Obama ever get taken seriously and two, why isn&#039;t this guy 17 points behind in the polls?  Obama could murder a busload of orphans and not lose a percentage point.  We&#039;ll see if his popularity can survive $5.00/gallon gas due to his inspired leadership in the Middle-east.

There is another question, sometimes it takes years for people to make rational analyses, in that respect, how long will it be until an unequivocal majority reaches the same conclusions about Obama as we have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are still two gorillas in the room, how the hell did someone like Obama ever get taken seriously and two, why isn&#8217;t this guy 17 points behind in the polls?  Obama could murder a busload of orphans and not lose a percentage point.  We&#8217;ll see if his popularity can survive $5.00/gallon gas due to his inspired leadership in the Middle-east.</p>
<p>There is another question, sometimes it takes years for people to make rational analyses, in that respect, how long will it be until an unequivocal majority reaches the same conclusions about Obama as we have.</p>
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		By: CV		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/17/interesting/#comment-417973</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 01:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last week I heard Dick Morris comment that pollsters are using a turnout model based on 2008, which was unusual to say the least. Its hard to imagine that voter turnout among young voters and black voters will hit those same historic levels again this year, which would hopefully help Romney.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I heard Dick Morris comment that pollsters are using a turnout model based on 2008, which was unusual to say the least. Its hard to imagine that voter turnout among young voters and black voters will hit those same historic levels again this year, which would hopefully help Romney.</p>
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