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		By: fiona		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/14/it-seems-to-me-weve-reached/#comment-417322</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[In 1997, poll responses were about 33%.  This year they are 9%.  Who are the people who refuse to answer?  The polling organizations don&#039;t know, because they won&#039;t answer.

That said, I did some walking this weekend asking people whether they had made up their minds about the presidential election.  Almost all had, the Obama supporters had no reasons, just thought that things were great, had no problems with higher gas prices, etc.  My husband calls a lot of the responses &quot;tribal&quot;. In other words, Democrats have successfully shoved people into little labeled boxes and they are no longer Americans, but Union members, African Americans, government workers, Hispanic, etc. and make their responses based on that.   I think there is a lot of uneasiness about change, technological, social and cultural.  There is no clear path ahead, but lots of people want to be told what to expect.  It doesn&#039;t seem to matter whether what they hear is truth or a pack of lies and they don&#039;t seem to have the ability to figure out which is which.  They don&#039;t want to be confused with facts, they just want not to have to face any more uncertaintly and will go with anyone who tells them that everything will be taken care of and they can watch American Idol and Football with a clear conscience.  Which i would not mind if they were not taking me, my children and grandchildren down the path to perdition with them because of their cowardice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1997, poll responses were about 33%.  This year they are 9%.  Who are the people who refuse to answer?  The polling organizations don&#8217;t know, because they won&#8217;t answer.</p>
<p>That said, I did some walking this weekend asking people whether they had made up their minds about the presidential election.  Almost all had, the Obama supporters had no reasons, just thought that things were great, had no problems with higher gas prices, etc.  My husband calls a lot of the responses &#8220;tribal&#8221;. In other words, Democrats have successfully shoved people into little labeled boxes and they are no longer Americans, but Union members, African Americans, government workers, Hispanic, etc. and make their responses based on that.   I think there is a lot of uneasiness about change, technological, social and cultural.  There is no clear path ahead, but lots of people want to be told what to expect.  It doesn&#8217;t seem to matter whether what they hear is truth or a pack of lies and they don&#8217;t seem to have the ability to figure out which is which.  They don&#8217;t want to be confused with facts, they just want not to have to face any more uncertaintly and will go with anyone who tells them that everything will be taken care of and they can watch American Idol and Football with a clear conscience.  Which i would not mind if they were not taking me, my children and grandchildren down the path to perdition with them because of their cowardice.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 05:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rickl wrote &quot;With violence and thuggery, of course. Given the choice between eating and starvation, how else can they respond?&quot;

The behavior of some Argentines verifies your opinion.  There they had economic problems so bad that mobs of cultured, educated Argentines attacked and ransacked grocery stores because they were hungry.  And Argentina is one of the world&#039;s great food producers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rickl wrote &#8220;With violence and thuggery, of course. Given the choice between eating and starvation, how else can they respond?&#8221;</p>
<p>The behavior of some Argentines verifies your opinion.  There they had economic problems so bad that mobs of cultured, educated Argentines attacked and ransacked grocery stores because they were hungry.  And Argentina is one of the world&#8217;s great food producers!</p>
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		By: rickl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob From Virginia Says: 
September 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt;In any event the silly, immature generation who could not tell the difference between a vote for American Idol and a Presidential election will have to contend with new realities, a post America America sort to speak. Such a people is incapable of maintaining a free country or a prosperous one. I wonder how they will respond?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With violence and thuggery, of course.  Given the choice between eating and starvation, how else &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; they respond?

The young people of post-America America will regress to the mean of the pre-American world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob From Virginia Says:<br />
September 15th, 2012 at 4:19 pm</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>In any event the silly, immature generation who could not tell the difference between a vote for American Idol and a Presidential election will have to contend with new realities, a post America America sort to speak. Such a people is incapable of maintaining a free country or a prosperous one. I wonder how they will respond?</p></blockquote>
<p>With violence and thuggery, of course.  Given the choice between eating and starvation, how else <i>can</i> they respond?</p>
<p>The young people of post-America America will regress to the mean of the pre-American world.</p>
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		By: rachel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One reason I&#039;m not giving in to pessimism (yet) is the quality of our candidates. Romney&#039;s past history and experience shows that this is not a man who, faced with a seemingly insurmountable problem/ challenge, remains passive, or panics, or despairs, or allows himself to fail. Romney projects calm and confidence; but I don&#039;t think he&#039;s a man given to overconfidence-- otherwise he would not have succeeded as he has in the sorts of challenging enterprises he&#039;s tackled. (Unlike Obama/DNC, he&#039;s not given to bragging or boasting or beating his chest, trying to convince others about his self-confidence.)

Someone who (with a team he put together) had his rate of success in turning around dying businesses, or won as a Republican in MA, or tackled the complicated mess of the Olympics, etc., is not someone who remains paralyzed or helpless before polls or overwhelming MSM bias or whatever. 

And recall, he surged to victory from being behind in the polls in quite a few primaries. 

And I can&#039;t think of anyone better as a spokesperson for the best of Republican/ conservative values than Paul Ryan.

Romney/Ryan had all the momentum, until (ugh) Akin happened-- a big speed bump, which the DNC/MSM took full advantage of (and reanimated that base&#039;s enthusiasm), leading into the conventions. At this point I believe (backed up by polls) that the race is neck and neck. (Any post-convention Obama &quot;bounce&quot; advantage seems very tenuous and fluid to me.)

We&#039;ll see. Given the MSM&#039;s overwhelming bias, disinformation, muting of anything unfavorable to Obama, all of us as citizens have more of a role to play in speaking up and trying to persuade our fellow citizens re what&#039;s at stake in this election. Or at least, gently, politely, letting people know certain underreported facts (and correcting misapprehensions) about what&#039;s actually going on or has happened in Obama&#039;s term.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason I&#8217;m not giving in to pessimism (yet) is the quality of our candidates. Romney&#8217;s past history and experience shows that this is not a man who, faced with a seemingly insurmountable problem/ challenge, remains passive, or panics, or despairs, or allows himself to fail. Romney projects calm and confidence; but I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s a man given to overconfidence&#8211; otherwise he would not have succeeded as he has in the sorts of challenging enterprises he&#8217;s tackled. (Unlike Obama/DNC, he&#8217;s not given to bragging or boasting or beating his chest, trying to convince others about his self-confidence.)</p>
<p>Someone who (with a team he put together) had his rate of success in turning around dying businesses, or won as a Republican in MA, or tackled the complicated mess of the Olympics, etc., is not someone who remains paralyzed or helpless before polls or overwhelming MSM bias or whatever. </p>
<p>And recall, he surged to victory from being behind in the polls in quite a few primaries. </p>
<p>And I can&#8217;t think of anyone better as a spokesperson for the best of Republican/ conservative values than Paul Ryan.</p>
<p>Romney/Ryan had all the momentum, until (ugh) Akin happened&#8211; a big speed bump, which the DNC/MSM took full advantage of (and reanimated that base&#8217;s enthusiasm), leading into the conventions. At this point I believe (backed up by polls) that the race is neck and neck. (Any post-convention Obama &#8220;bounce&#8221; advantage seems very tenuous and fluid to me.)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see. Given the MSM&#8217;s overwhelming bias, disinformation, muting of anything unfavorable to Obama, all of us as citizens have more of a role to play in speaking up and trying to persuade our fellow citizens re what&#8217;s at stake in this election. Or at least, gently, politely, letting people know certain underreported facts (and correcting misapprehensions) about what&#8217;s actually going on or has happened in Obama&#8217;s term.</p>
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		By: rachel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right that this election will be as much or more a test of the voters, Americans in general, as/ than the candidates. 

The thing is, as Americans, we&#039;ve been blessed to live in a country and system that&#039;s largely stable and (relatively) well-functioning, no matter which party wins from election to election. Compared to other countries, our elections are not (have not been) existential so to speak, not about a radically defining (and radically consequential) choice, not a matter of life and death. At the end of the day, America remains America, defined by e.g. its Constitution, and not the contingent fact of what politicians are in power. Whether from election to election the POTUS is R or D doesn&#039;t *fundamentally* affect the ordinary lives of Americans, or at least it feels that way to Americans. 

So in a way, despite all the furor at election time, most Americans generally feel (with some good reason) complacent about elections. Americans feel they can afford to pick their POTUS as if it were a mere popularity contest, or for whatever reason at all. It&#039;s not the end of the world, no matter who wins.

But Obama does want to fundamentally America (and IMO will succeed in doing so, if he gets a second term). 

If Obama (god forbid) wins, how fateful SC Justice Roberts&#039; words will have been, when he said it was not up to the Supreme Court to save Americans from this terrible legislation, and left it up to American voters, American voters&#039; responsibility, to save themselves. Those words will be applicable to much else besides Obamacare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that this election will be as much or more a test of the voters, Americans in general, as/ than the candidates. </p>
<p>The thing is, as Americans, we&#8217;ve been blessed to live in a country and system that&#8217;s largely stable and (relatively) well-functioning, no matter which party wins from election to election. Compared to other countries, our elections are not (have not been) existential so to speak, not about a radically defining (and radically consequential) choice, not a matter of life and death. At the end of the day, America remains America, defined by e.g. its Constitution, and not the contingent fact of what politicians are in power. Whether from election to election the POTUS is R or D doesn&#8217;t *fundamentally* affect the ordinary lives of Americans, or at least it feels that way to Americans. </p>
<p>So in a way, despite all the furor at election time, most Americans generally feel (with some good reason) complacent about elections. Americans feel they can afford to pick their POTUS as if it were a mere popularity contest, or for whatever reason at all. It&#8217;s not the end of the world, no matter who wins.</p>
<p>But Obama does want to fundamentally America (and IMO will succeed in doing so, if he gets a second term). </p>
<p>If Obama (god forbid) wins, how fateful SC Justice Roberts&#8217; words will have been, when he said it was not up to the Supreme Court to save Americans from this terrible legislation, and left it up to American voters, American voters&#8217; responsibility, to save themselves. Those words will be applicable to much else besides Obamacare.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beverly, 
The email you posted looks like it came from a Messianic Jew, that is, confused Christian playing at being Jewish.  That crowd, although well intended, is not known for their strong grasp of reality.  They are certainly not integrated into the Israeli mentality and therefore not able to interpret what they seeing.   The IDF would be unlikely to advertise its intentions so clearly that a confused pastor in Jerusalem could read them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly,<br />
The email you posted looks like it came from a Messianic Jew, that is, confused Christian playing at being Jewish.  That crowd, although well intended, is not known for their strong grasp of reality.  They are certainly not integrated into the Israeli mentality and therefore not able to interpret what they seeing.   The IDF would be unlikely to advertise its intentions so clearly that a confused pastor in Jerusalem could read them.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[T
Romney will certainly win the popular vote based on 2008 and 2010.  I don&#039;t see how he can win the electoral vote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T<br />
Romney will certainly win the popular vote based on 2008 and 2010.  I don&#8217;t see how he can win the electoral vote.</p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is an aspect of the Obama&#039;s re-election that has been inadequately touched upon, that is if he is re-elected he will not only inherit an economic disaster but be largely the cause of it, likewise he will be responsible foreign disasters  we can&#039;t even guess at.  Most of his supporters won&#039;t understand the significance of that until the price of oil goes nuts and stagflation hits.  At least some will, the MSM will try and blame a Republican congress and most Obamis will buy it, but some will not. 

In any event the silly, immature generation who could not tell the difference between a vote for American Idol and a Presidential election will have to contend with new realities, a post America America sort to speak.  Such a people is incapable of maintaining a free country or a prosperous one.  I wonder how they will respond?  In any event they will have to live with the mess they created.  There are invisible forces of history, silliness and laziness seem to be two of them.

Parker  a civil war or more specifically succession by the red states, which I would support, would only come about if there was mainstream leadership, like a Governor of a mid-western state.  I don&#039;t see it yet, although I hope it comes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an aspect of the Obama&#8217;s re-election that has been inadequately touched upon, that is if he is re-elected he will not only inherit an economic disaster but be largely the cause of it, likewise he will be responsible foreign disasters  we can&#8217;t even guess at.  Most of his supporters won&#8217;t understand the significance of that until the price of oil goes nuts and stagflation hits.  At least some will, the MSM will try and blame a Republican congress and most Obamis will buy it, but some will not. </p>
<p>In any event the silly, immature generation who could not tell the difference between a vote for American Idol and a Presidential election will have to contend with new realities, a post America America sort to speak.  Such a people is incapable of maintaining a free country or a prosperous one.  I wonder how they will respond?  In any event they will have to live with the mess they created.  There are invisible forces of history, silliness and laziness seem to be two of them.</p>
<p>Parker  a civil war or more specifically succession by the red states, which I would support, would only come about if there was mainstream leadership, like a Governor of a mid-western state.  I don&#8217;t see it yet, although I hope it comes.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will also vote for Romney/Ryan because I believe they can get us back on track. If I didn&#039;t believe that I would simply sit out the election and let Obama and his fan club reap the whirlwind that is surely coming. These times have a frightening feel to them, an unease that reminds me of when a hurricane is coming in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will also vote for Romney/Ryan because I believe they can get us back on track. If I didn&#8217;t believe that I would simply sit out the election and let Obama and his fan club reap the whirlwind that is surely coming. These times have a frightening feel to them, an unease that reminds me of when a hurricane is coming in.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am of two minds on this election because there are too many unknown unknowns out there. Romney could win and be overwhelmed by rapid and unexpected collapse and even get blamed for it. But I will vote for Romney Ryan because they will at least try to take things in he right direction - ie build up the private sector. Without sudden collapse they could go all in on energy independence and create a lot of brown jobs. And if its feasible he could go after fusion like JFK went after the moon. Bussard&#039;s boron fusion approach is promising and might get results much more quickly if it were given serious money. Energy seems to me to be the likely way the US can get its mojo back and not just by extraction but by aggressively going after new technologies. We are weakened terribly by our financial mistakes but energy is what keeps Modernity running.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of two minds on this election because there are too many unknown unknowns out there. Romney could win and be overwhelmed by rapid and unexpected collapse and even get blamed for it. But I will vote for Romney Ryan because they will at least try to take things in he right direction &#8211; ie build up the private sector. Without sudden collapse they could go all in on energy independence and create a lot of brown jobs. And if its feasible he could go after fusion like JFK went after the moon. Bussard&#8217;s boron fusion approach is promising and might get results much more quickly if it were given serious money. Energy seems to me to be the likely way the US can get its mojo back and not just by extraction but by aggressively going after new technologies. We are weakened terribly by our financial mistakes but energy is what keeps Modernity running.</p>
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