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		By: J.J. formerly Jimmy J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-416265</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J. formerly Jimmy J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 18:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We can never forget the role of the environmental movement that is a major element of big government, central planning that  keeps our economy in a straight  jacket. The EPA and Endangered Species Act began as noble ideas to do a better job of looking after our resources of air, water, and wild things. It has morphed into a central planning mechanism that will not be satisfied until we are once again riding horses to work and cooking over tiny campfires.

Read Robert Zubrin&#039;s piece about how the EPA has blocked growth of the economy. 
http://tinyurl.com/8ftdd56

Obama and all his minions either believe that  radical environmentalism is good or recognize that it provides the perfect vehicle for pushing big government and central planning. Either way, it has been and continues to  be disastrous for economic growth in this country. 

Many times I have pointed out that every  modern economy floats on a sea of energy. There is nothing that is not affected by the use of energy. Want food - it takes energy to produce it and get it to market. Shelter, heat, lights, computers, cell phones,  transportation, and on and on - all depend on energy. Every time energy prices go up it is a tax on the entire economy.  The transfer of trillion$ of dollars from our economy to OPEC is one of the scandals of our times. Read what Zubrin has to say about that.  Letting the world become dependent on Middle Eastern oil has been one of the strategic blunders of modern times. It has provided the Islamic countries with far more power than  they could  ever gain through their own efforts. In fact, the Middle Eastern mess we&#039;re in is directly related to it. 

I grew up in a town with a CCC camp on the outskirts. Most of the workers were young toughs off the streets of Denver, Kansas City, Omaha, Chicago and other places. The camp was run in a tough and disciplined fashion by the Army.  Most of the workers gained a respect for themselves and for hard work in the camps. Many were the core of Army  recruits when WWII began. Those who were in the camp  near Estes Park left Rocky Mountain National park with a legacy of back country trails and bridges that  are still there today. Yes, it  was a make-work project, but it provided useful, lasting infrastructure. Today something of a similar nature  might be part of the solution to inner city gangs and poverty. It would have  nothing to do with getting the economy going except in a peripheral way.  (Getting  unemployed/unemployable youth off of welfare/crime/drugs and into useful work. Teaching the value and self respect that come with hard physical work.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can never forget the role of the environmental movement that is a major element of big government, central planning that  keeps our economy in a straight  jacket. The EPA and Endangered Species Act began as noble ideas to do a better job of looking after our resources of air, water, and wild things. It has morphed into a central planning mechanism that will not be satisfied until we are once again riding horses to work and cooking over tiny campfires.</p>
<p>Read Robert Zubrin&#8217;s piece about how the EPA has blocked growth of the economy.<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/8ftdd56" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/8ftdd56</a></p>
<p>Obama and all his minions either believe that  radical environmentalism is good or recognize that it provides the perfect vehicle for pushing big government and central planning. Either way, it has been and continues to  be disastrous for economic growth in this country. </p>
<p>Many times I have pointed out that every  modern economy floats on a sea of energy. There is nothing that is not affected by the use of energy. Want food &#8211; it takes energy to produce it and get it to market. Shelter, heat, lights, computers, cell phones,  transportation, and on and on &#8211; all depend on energy. Every time energy prices go up it is a tax on the entire economy.  The transfer of trillion$ of dollars from our economy to OPEC is one of the scandals of our times. Read what Zubrin has to say about that.  Letting the world become dependent on Middle Eastern oil has been one of the strategic blunders of modern times. It has provided the Islamic countries with far more power than  they could  ever gain through their own efforts. In fact, the Middle Eastern mess we&#8217;re in is directly related to it. </p>
<p>I grew up in a town with a CCC camp on the outskirts. Most of the workers were young toughs off the streets of Denver, Kansas City, Omaha, Chicago and other places. The camp was run in a tough and disciplined fashion by the Army.  Most of the workers gained a respect for themselves and for hard work in the camps. Many were the core of Army  recruits when WWII began. Those who were in the camp  near Estes Park left Rocky Mountain National park with a legacy of back country trails and bridges that  are still there today. Yes, it  was a make-work project, but it provided useful, lasting infrastructure. Today something of a similar nature  might be part of the solution to inner city gangs and poverty. It would have  nothing to do with getting the economy going except in a peripheral way.  (Getting  unemployed/unemployable youth off of welfare/crime/drugs and into useful work. Teaching the value and self respect that come with hard physical work.)</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-415899</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[2 of my uncles were in the CCC before joining up after 12/7/41.  My dad turned moonshiner until Pearl Harbor.

&quot;Not many people would do those WPA manual labor jobs today. Certainly no youth would join the CCC. In fact, I read that plenty of manual labor jobs are going vacant. Many of those that are not vacant, are performed by immigrants; illegal or otherwise.&quot;

Most of today&#039;s unemployed young &#039;men&#039; would not be willing to get dirt under their fingernails or break a sweat.  Granted a 2nd term, BHO will turn them into highly paid goon squads canvasing the countryside looking for the un-PC.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 of my uncles were in the CCC before joining up after 12/7/41.  My dad turned moonshiner until Pearl Harbor.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not many people would do those WPA manual labor jobs today. Certainly no youth would join the CCC. In fact, I read that plenty of manual labor jobs are going vacant. Many of those that are not vacant, are performed by immigrants; illegal or otherwise.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of today&#8217;s unemployed young &#8216;men&#8217; would not be willing to get dirt under their fingernails or break a sweat.  Granted a 2nd term, BHO will turn them into highly paid goon squads canvasing the countryside looking for the un-PC.</p>
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		By: DonS		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-415882</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DonS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another thing, why would any depression last so long? The Great Depression lastest way too long, the initial bad investments that caused it should have been sorted out by the market process, and prosperity returned. The length of it alone suggest something odd was prolonging it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing, why would any depression last so long? The Great Depression lastest way too long, the initial bad investments that caused it should have been sorted out by the market process, and prosperity returned. The length of it alone suggest something odd was prolonging it.</p>
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		By: DonS		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-415877</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and you can check the &quot;overpriced labor&quot; point via folklore; Depression era people often recall that it &quot;wasn&#039;t bad&quot; for those who had work. Overpricing labor should have that result: many will be out of work, those who have it will do fine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and you can check the &#8220;overpriced labor&#8221; point via folklore; Depression era people often recall that it &#8220;wasn&#8217;t bad&#8221; for those who had work. Overpricing labor should have that result: many will be out of work, those who have it will do fine.</p>
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		By: DonS		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-415876</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DonS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ray,

I read an UCLA study that showed FDR prolonged the Depression by 7 years. He did that primarly via the minimum wage, he overpriced labor. 

WW2 ended the Depression by taking FDR&#039;s focus from the economy, in my view. I.e., it wasn&#039;t government spending that fixed things, but the fact that the government was focused on war (something it understands) and not the economy (something it doesn&#039;t understand, particularly the likes of FDR).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>I read an UCLA study that showed FDR prolonged the Depression by 7 years. He did that primarly via the minimum wage, he overpriced labor. </p>
<p>WW2 ended the Depression by taking FDR&#8217;s focus from the economy, in my view. I.e., it wasn&#8217;t government spending that fixed things, but the fact that the government was focused on war (something it understands) and not the economy (something it doesn&#8217;t understand, particularly the likes of FDR).</p>
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		By: OlderandWheezier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-415857</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OlderandWheezier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent analogy, david foster.  Businesses are afraid to hire as a direct result of congressional legislation and administrative policy and rhetoric.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent analogy, david foster.  Businesses are afraid to hire as a direct result of congressional legislation and administrative policy and rhetoric.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-415854</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oldflyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone who cites FDR&#039;s record of job creation has not looked at those jobs.  They were manual labor performed  for tiny wages.  Many of them required that men leave their homes and live in communal barracks.  An exception, of course, were the government bureaucrats, hired to man all of the expanded bureaucracy that plagues us still today.

My older cousins were put to work by FDR.  They were  in the CCC; a program for the youth.  They lived in military style barracks, wore semi-military uniforms.  They were fed, housed and sent a few cents/month home.  Is that what folks want for their kids now?  Obama can do that--and probably will if he gets another term.

Not many people would do those WPA manual labor jobs today.  Certainly no youth would join the CCC.  In fact, I read that plenty of manual labor jobs are going vacant.  Many of those that are not vacant, are performed by immigrants; illegal or otherwise.  (I recently moved to SoCal.  Nearly, every middle-class home has its yard guys.  The yard trucks, some of them junk, but many surprisingly upscale, swarm through the neighborhoods.  Every yard guy is a Mexican.  Maybe Salvadoran.)

It is reported that also going vacant are many skilled labor jobs.  People are simply not willing to serve the apprenticeships to learn the crafts needed in industry.  Nor are many willing to relocate to where the jobs are.  Not when 99 weeks of unemployment pay is available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who cites FDR&#8217;s record of job creation has not looked at those jobs.  They were manual labor performed  for tiny wages.  Many of them required that men leave their homes and live in communal barracks.  An exception, of course, were the government bureaucrats, hired to man all of the expanded bureaucracy that plagues us still today.</p>
<p>My older cousins were put to work by FDR.  They were  in the CCC; a program for the youth.  They lived in military style barracks, wore semi-military uniforms.  They were fed, housed and sent a few cents/month home.  Is that what folks want for their kids now?  Obama can do that&#8211;and probably will if he gets another term.</p>
<p>Not many people would do those WPA manual labor jobs today.  Certainly no youth would join the CCC.  In fact, I read that plenty of manual labor jobs are going vacant.  Many of those that are not vacant, are performed by immigrants; illegal or otherwise.  (I recently moved to SoCal.  Nearly, every middle-class home has its yard guys.  The yard trucks, some of them junk, but many surprisingly upscale, swarm through the neighborhoods.  Every yard guy is a Mexican.  Maybe Salvadoran.)</p>
<p>It is reported that also going vacant are many skilled labor jobs.  People are simply not willing to serve the apprenticeships to learn the crafts needed in industry.  Nor are many willing to relocate to where the jobs are.  Not when 99 weeks of unemployment pay is available.</p>
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		By: holmes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-415832</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think there seems to be a contingent of 47% of the nation that will agree to one political answer no matter the question.  It&#039;s up to about 5% of the voters to decide the fate of the nation.  Scary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there seems to be a contingent of 47% of the nation that will agree to one political answer no matter the question.  It&#8217;s up to about 5% of the voters to decide the fate of the nation.  Scary.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/who-do-you-trust-on-job-creation/#comment-415807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You find revisionists in strange places. I saw a study by two economists at UC Berkley who claimed Rosevelt&#039;s policies prolonged the depression by 7 years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You find revisionists in strange places. I saw a study by two economists at UC Berkley who claimed Rosevelt&#8217;s policies prolonged the depression by 7 years.</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Basically, the question is: If the train is stopped and you want to get it moving, would it be better to

a)Get a bunch of people to push on the train, or

b)Take off the brakes]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, the question is: If the train is stopped and you want to get it moving, would it be better to</p>
<p>a)Get a bunch of people to push on the train, or</p>
<p>b)Take off the brakes</p>
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