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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/we-are-living-in-an-orwellian-world/#comment-416213</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exactly.  America is Americans&#039; to lose.  If they lack sufficient discernment or place their dreams of instant gratification before the viability of their society, then they will, at minimum, lose their nation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  America is Americans&#8217; to lose.  If they lack sufficient discernment or place their dreams of instant gratification before the viability of their society, then they will, at minimum, lose their nation.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/we-are-living-in-an-orwellian-world/#comment-415956</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m waiting for the day, should it come, when I feel free to shoot neo-nazis on Main Street.  In my town there will not be many such critters; but I can hope DC sends east &#038; west coast thugs and thugs from Chicago and Detroit my way so I have a target rich environment.  The eyes do not improve with age.  ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for the day, should it come, when I feel free to shoot neo-nazis on Main Street.  In my town there will not be many such critters; but I can hope DC sends east &amp; west coast thugs and thugs from Chicago and Detroit my way so I have a target rich environment.  The eyes do not improve with age.  😉</p>
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		By: Jim Sullivan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Sullivan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr: [translation program-Cassandra 2.0]: &quot;You&#039;re all wrong! I&#039;ve been telling you dolts for years how much you didn&#039;t know! You&#039;re all so uninformed none of you even knew how wrong and uninformed you were! Wrongy-wrong-wrong. I can&#039;t believe how little thanks I get for trying to educate you ignormuses. Loop.

You&#039;re all wrong! I&#039;ve been telling you dolts for years...&quot;

But seriously. I love Neo&#039;s site. I really enjoy 99% of the commentary, and the rest of the time, I can just scroll past Art. But he&#039;s getting to be too much.

It&#039;s at the point where I feel I am at this interesting cocktail party with a lot of intelligent people, with interesting stories to tell and great insight and not an idiot in the bunch. And then, every fifteen minutes, this character storms in the room and shouts in the guests&#039; faces how ignorant they all are. And lately, he&#039;s been shouting at the host.

This needs to be said regularly:

Artfldgr, start your own blog. So the people that enjoy your fountain of wisdom and prophesy can go there and be enlightened. Post links to it in your comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr: [translation program-Cassandra 2.0]: &#8220;You&#8217;re all wrong! I&#8217;ve been telling you dolts for years how much you didn&#8217;t know! You&#8217;re all so uninformed none of you even knew how wrong and uninformed you were! Wrongy-wrong-wrong. I can&#8217;t believe how little thanks I get for trying to educate you ignormuses. Loop.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re all wrong! I&#8217;ve been telling you dolts for years&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But seriously. I love Neo&#8217;s site. I really enjoy 99% of the commentary, and the rest of the time, I can just scroll past Art. But he&#8217;s getting to be too much.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s at the point where I feel I am at this interesting cocktail party with a lot of intelligent people, with interesting stories to tell and great insight and not an idiot in the bunch. And then, every fifteen minutes, this character storms in the room and shouts in the guests&#8217; faces how ignorant they all are. And lately, he&#8217;s been shouting at the host.</p>
<p>This needs to be said regularly:</p>
<p>Artfldgr, start your own blog. So the people that enjoy your fountain of wisdom and prophesy can go there and be enlightened. Post links to it in your comments.</p>
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		By: Southpaw		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/we-are-living-in-an-orwellian-world/#comment-415936</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Southpaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 01:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,
 I think the MSM know for a fact that the vast majority of Americans who are actually paying attention (to anything) are too naive to know there&#039;s no law compelling the &quot;news&quot; to be truthful. They know without a doubt they will be believed by the majority of Americans, whatever narrative they tell. And it&#039;s our own fault. 
I am more dismayed and annoyed by people around me who are deliberately ignorant and completely oblivious than the media who feed it to them.  They&#039;re simply lazy and self absorbed. I know intelligent professionals who can&#039;t be bothered to vote, but will ever miss an episode of their favorite TV show. They would rather be entertained and told what they should think, than take the time themselves- it&#039;s easier and more fun to get an opinion from a few minutes of John Stewart or David Letterman, than invest a few minutes in reading, or take an interest in their government or participate. Apathy is on the side of the media and they know it. 
 I get the feeling almost nobody is concerned with world events, national debt, or anything that doesn&#039;t affect their immediate plans 4 hours into the future.  I might be wrong, but I think our culture has become entirely preoccupied with personal and trivial interests, and need to be entertained in order to assimilate any information. 
 The producers of TV shows have more influence on the political opinions of most Americans than anything else in their lives.  If Jesus  were alive today, he&#039;d have to compete with Facebook or American Idol, and his he would stand no chance. 
 People like you are the exception - bloggers, people who visit blogs, people who engage in discussions about political events are not common.   The average person would consider paying this much attention to current events somewhat obsessive and extreme and boring.  I am certain that a large percentage of people don&#039;t know who the VP of the United States is, and don&#039;t care. 
 I watched Michelle Malkin ranting on Fox news last night -- if you  get a chance, check it out. She expresses the incredible frustration we all feel over the Orwellian media in a way that we can all understand.  She was brilliant and far more articulate than I could hope to be about the utterly dispicable way the media have behaved. And she also is incredulous the American public has no idea how they are being manipulated.  They, WE are to blame because we are that stupid. 
I hope I am wrong, but looking at polls and what the media is doing, it seems that it will take a total collapse of our economy or some disasterous event to reshape Americas thinking, or lack thereof.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,<br />
 I think the MSM know for a fact that the vast majority of Americans who are actually paying attention (to anything) are too naive to know there&#8217;s no law compelling the &#8220;news&#8221; to be truthful. They know without a doubt they will be believed by the majority of Americans, whatever narrative they tell. And it&#8217;s our own fault.<br />
I am more dismayed and annoyed by people around me who are deliberately ignorant and completely oblivious than the media who feed it to them.  They&#8217;re simply lazy and self absorbed. I know intelligent professionals who can&#8217;t be bothered to vote, but will ever miss an episode of their favorite TV show. They would rather be entertained and told what they should think, than take the time themselves- it&#8217;s easier and more fun to get an opinion from a few minutes of John Stewart or David Letterman, than invest a few minutes in reading, or take an interest in their government or participate. Apathy is on the side of the media and they know it.<br />
 I get the feeling almost nobody is concerned with world events, national debt, or anything that doesn&#8217;t affect their immediate plans 4 hours into the future.  I might be wrong, but I think our culture has become entirely preoccupied with personal and trivial interests, and need to be entertained in order to assimilate any information.<br />
 The producers of TV shows have more influence on the political opinions of most Americans than anything else in their lives.  If Jesus  were alive today, he&#8217;d have to compete with Facebook or American Idol, and his he would stand no chance.<br />
 People like you are the exception &#8211; bloggers, people who visit blogs, people who engage in discussions about political events are not common.   The average person would consider paying this much attention to current events somewhat obsessive and extreme and boring.  I am certain that a large percentage of people don&#8217;t know who the VP of the United States is, and don&#8217;t care.<br />
 I watched Michelle Malkin ranting on Fox news last night &#8212; if you  get a chance, check it out. She expresses the incredible frustration we all feel over the Orwellian media in a way that we can all understand.  She was brilliant and far more articulate than I could hope to be about the utterly dispicable way the media have behaved. And she also is incredulous the American public has no idea how they are being manipulated.  They, WE are to blame because we are that stupid.<br />
I hope I am wrong, but looking at polls and what the media is doing, it seems that it will take a total collapse of our economy or some disasterous event to reshape Americas thinking, or lack thereof.</p>
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		By: Kurt		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/we-are-living-in-an-orwellian-world/#comment-415889</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[M of Hollywood remarked: &lt;i&gt;And, if Clint is right on stealing the election . . . we will have no choice but to tune out — or learn to speak in code. Perhaps neo could use the remainder of time between now and November to create a new language for those of us huddled here in the protection of a shrinking world intelligence?&lt;/i&gt;

That question and observation reminded me of the section of Armando Valladares&#039; excellent memoir &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Against-All-Hope-Memoir-Castros/dp/1893554198&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Against All Hope&lt;/a&gt; where he writes about how he and his fellow political prisoners felt starved for true and reliable information about the world outside of Cuba, and how they developed not only codes for communicating with each other, but also methods of critically reading the publications of the state-run media to try to ascertain the realities that were being hidden from them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M of Hollywood remarked: <i>And, if Clint is right on stealing the election . . . we will have no choice but to tune out — or learn to speak in code. Perhaps neo could use the remainder of time between now and November to create a new language for those of us huddled here in the protection of a shrinking world intelligence?</i></p>
<p>That question and observation reminded me of the section of Armando Valladares&#8217; excellent memoir <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Against-All-Hope-Memoir-Castros/dp/1893554198" rel="nofollow">Against All Hope</a> where he writes about how he and his fellow political prisoners felt starved for true and reliable information about the world outside of Cuba, and how they developed not only codes for communicating with each other, but also methods of critically reading the publications of the state-run media to try to ascertain the realities that were being hidden from them.</p>
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		By: Kurt		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/we-are-living-in-an-orwellian-world/#comment-415885</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 22:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure that this anecdote really fits with this friend, but it recently happened, and it is tangentially related, so i thought I&#039;d share it here.  A colleague who is a hard-core Democrat remarked, &quot;I think Romney is doomed.  It sure seems like an act of desperation to shoot off a remark critical of a statement made by the embassy in Cairo when the Ambassador to Libya was just killed.&quot;

I responded only, &quot;Well, the embassy&#039;s statement was pretty stupid.&quot;  I didn&#039;t say that even Obama&#039;s administration later distanced themselves from the statement, though I might have.

Rather than argue the point, though, this fellow changed the subject.  &quot;Well, with 54 million Hispanics, Obama is sure to get about 75% of those and he will also get 97% of black voters, so he&#039;s sure to be re-elected.  The Republican Party is doomed until they figure out how to appeal to Hispanic voters.&quot;  Now I don&#039;t know how, precisely, you get from Romney&#039;s criticisms of the embassy&#039;s pandering statements to a discussion of the implications of collective racial identity in contemporary politics, but it sure seems rather Orwellian to me: if one line of attack against Romney won&#039;t work, might as well switch to another one just to preserve the narrative that he&#039;s doomed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that this anecdote really fits with this friend, but it recently happened, and it is tangentially related, so i thought I&#8217;d share it here.  A colleague who is a hard-core Democrat remarked, &#8220;I think Romney is doomed.  It sure seems like an act of desperation to shoot off a remark critical of a statement made by the embassy in Cairo when the Ambassador to Libya was just killed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I responded only, &#8220;Well, the embassy&#8217;s statement was pretty stupid.&#8221;  I didn&#8217;t say that even Obama&#8217;s administration later distanced themselves from the statement, though I might have.</p>
<p>Rather than argue the point, though, this fellow changed the subject.  &#8220;Well, with 54 million Hispanics, Obama is sure to get about 75% of those and he will also get 97% of black voters, so he&#8217;s sure to be re-elected.  The Republican Party is doomed until they figure out how to appeal to Hispanic voters.&#8221;  Now I don&#8217;t know how, precisely, you get from Romney&#8217;s criticisms of the embassy&#8217;s pandering statements to a discussion of the implications of collective racial identity in contemporary politics, but it sure seems rather Orwellian to me: if one line of attack against Romney won&#8217;t work, might as well switch to another one just to preserve the narrative that he&#8217;s doomed.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2012/09/13/we-are-living-in-an-orwellian-world/#comment-415856</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr: my older post that I had linked to was talking about gulags vs. Chavez, and it was in that context that I was contrasting the usual, vernacular meaning of &quot;Soviets&quot; (as in &quot;people in charge of the USSR&quot;) with someone like Chavez.  Words are usually used in their vernacular sense unless specified otherwise.  I also indicated the essential similarity between &quot;soviets&quot; and &quot;Chavez&quot; types of leftism by saying that the latter would do what it took (including gulags, if necessary) to gain their goals, which were essentially the same.

You seem to believe that people have been rejecting what you say, and disagreeing with you, and misunderstanding you, or are completely ignorant, when they have not (of course, some people have and are, but I think you are creating a group of strawmen in regard to most).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr: my older post that I had linked to was talking about gulags vs. Chavez, and it was in that context that I was contrasting the usual, vernacular meaning of &#8220;Soviets&#8221; (as in &#8220;people in charge of the USSR&#8221;) with someone like Chavez.  Words are usually used in their vernacular sense unless specified otherwise.  I also indicated the essential similarity between &#8220;soviets&#8221; and &#8220;Chavez&#8221; types of leftism by saying that the latter would do what it took (including gulags, if necessary) to gain their goals, which were essentially the same.</p>
<p>You seem to believe that people have been rejecting what you say, and disagreeing with you, and misunderstanding you, or are completely ignorant, when they have not (of course, some people have and are, but I think you are creating a group of strawmen in regard to most).</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;It should be transparently clear to any thinking person what’s happening here. But how many people think critically when they read a story? It’s so much easier to jump on the meme bandwagon.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

There&#039;s a reason why it&#039;s not transparently clear to &#039;thinking persons&#039; what&#039;s happening here. Thinking critically generally happens &lt;i&gt;within the filters of a person&#039;s beliefs&lt;/i&gt;. The MSM has spent decades defining &quot;the narrative&quot; of how the public should view &#039;greedy, selfish&quot; Republicans. How conservatives are reactionaries who want to turn the clock back to a nostalgic, mythical America that never truly existed.

Once those memes are accepted, mostly through the sheer repetition of the left&#039;s &#039;big&#039; lies, any &#039;critical thinking&#039; takes place within the parameters of those memes. 

To truly think outside the box of our beliefs, requires  fundamentally questioning the very premises of the unquestioned memes that most accept. Something few are willing and perhaps able to do. 

Neo and my political views have followed a similar arc from committed liberal to neoconservatism to a conservatism that avoids easy categorization.  Our host did not come to her views quickly, nor did I. It took years and much deep reflection for me to evolve into the views I hold today and her &#039;about me&#039; page indicates the same. 

Is it reasonable to expect that others, similarly entwined within the false memes of the left, come to a quicker understanding? 

This is the beginning of the middle of the fight between the left and right, not the end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;It should be transparently clear to any thinking person what’s happening here. But how many people think critically when they read a story? It’s so much easier to jump on the meme bandwagon.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason why it&#8217;s not transparently clear to &#8216;thinking persons&#8217; what&#8217;s happening here. Thinking critically generally happens <i>within the filters of a person&#8217;s beliefs</i>. The MSM has spent decades defining &#8220;the narrative&#8221; of how the public should view &#8216;greedy, selfish&#8221; Republicans. How conservatives are reactionaries who want to turn the clock back to a nostalgic, mythical America that never truly existed.</p>
<p>Once those memes are accepted, mostly through the sheer repetition of the left&#8217;s &#8216;big&#8217; lies, any &#8216;critical thinking&#8217; takes place within the parameters of those memes. </p>
<p>To truly think outside the box of our beliefs, requires  fundamentally questioning the very premises of the unquestioned memes that most accept. Something few are willing and perhaps able to do. </p>
<p>Neo and my political views have followed a similar arc from committed liberal to neoconservatism to a conservatism that avoids easy categorization.  Our host did not come to her views quickly, nor did I. It took years and much deep reflection for me to evolve into the views I hold today and her &#8216;about me&#8217; page indicates the same. </p>
<p>Is it reasonable to expect that others, similarly entwined within the false memes of the left, come to a quicker understanding? </p>
<p>This is the beginning of the middle of the fight between the left and right, not the end.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 21:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is why we need to be aware of the early signs, and to take them seriously. 

yup..

naked women in the mud calling for communism and having free sex was your first clue... the big lesbians calling you comrade in the womens meetig was the second clue... and the quotes as to the womans caucus voting to make a commuist state. that was another clue... norm thomas declaring he wont run for president any more, as the democratic partys platofm is indistinquishable from the CPUSA platform. 
(oh, and the CPUSA is endorcing obama again, that was a clue too)

how did that work out?
how many clues do you think are needed? 
 
ie. way back when i was arguing with Huxley, did you get the early signs? or did people refuse? 

even now, they thin this is the start, when this is the END GAME of a 80 year project

the left was VERY careful not to give you a clue that was not ambigious... 

but hey, even helen thomas anti antisemitism wasnt enough. was it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is why we need to be aware of the early signs, and to take them seriously. </p>
<p>yup..</p>
<p>naked women in the mud calling for communism and having free sex was your first clue&#8230; the big lesbians calling you comrade in the womens meetig was the second clue&#8230; and the quotes as to the womans caucus voting to make a commuist state. that was another clue&#8230; norm thomas declaring he wont run for president any more, as the democratic partys platofm is indistinquishable from the CPUSA platform.<br />
(oh, and the CPUSA is endorcing obama again, that was a clue too)</p>
<p>how did that work out?<br />
how many clues do you think are needed? </p>
<p>ie. way back when i was arguing with Huxley, did you get the early signs? or did people refuse? </p>
<p>even now, they thin this is the start, when this is the END GAME of a 80 year project</p>
<p>the left was VERY careful not to give you a clue that was not ambigious&#8230; </p>
<p>but hey, even helen thomas anti antisemitism wasnt enough. was it?</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 20:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem is (a) lack of time and motivation to seek it; and (b) lack of ability to process it logically and critically. 


and (C) to recognize knowledge and defer to it to maximize merit...  not all knowledge can be derived without knowing.  

the blind leading the blind thinking very hard, will not think their way out of the forest. 

Especially when the machine they are using, was affected by the system in their formative years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is (a) lack of time and motivation to seek it; and (b) lack of ability to process it logically and critically. </p>
<p>and (C) to recognize knowledge and defer to it to maximize merit&#8230;  not all knowledge can be derived without knowing.  </p>
<p>the blind leading the blind thinking very hard, will not think their way out of the forest. </p>
<p>Especially when the machine they are using, was affected by the system in their formative years.</p>
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